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Smart meters will save only 2% on energy bills

noise747noise747 Posts: 30,862
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Smart meters will save only 2% on energy bills, say MPs

I have said something along these lines before, smart meters are a waste of money and will put no doubt put cost onto our bills by the time we pay for them.

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    and101and101 Posts: 2,688
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    A smart meter on its own will not save you money. You will need to use the information that the smart meter gives you to work out where you are wasting the most energy and then take steps to reduce your consumption.
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    and101 wrote: »
    A smart meter on its own will not save you money. You will need to use the information that the smart meter gives you to work out where you are wasting the most energy and then take steps to reduce your consumption.

    I guess it's like the dieting advice of eat less and exercise more being lost on most. Who knew that turning off appliances would save money?

    It won't matter anyway, as there will be a 12% rise put on everyone's bill to pay for the 2% the utility companies will be losing on smart meters.
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    AndrueAndrue Posts: 23,366
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    and101 wrote: »
    A smart meter on its own will not save you money. You will need to use the information that the smart meter gives you to work out where you are wasting the most energy and then take steps to reduce your consumption.
    Assuming you can. After all unless you are habitually leaving things on for hours on end for no reason there's not much you can do to reduce consumption. For most people the biggest offender is going to be their fridge/freezer and it's not like you can do anything about that. Buying a new, more economical, model is silly because it'll take several years to recoup the cost and you'll probably do more 'environmental damage' by encouraging production of fridges and throwing your old one away.

    Most of the things you might be able to switch off (TVs left on in empty bedrooms, computers left on doing nothing) aren't major consumers anyway. If they really had to spend our money on something like this it'd be better to have older consumer units (like mine) replaced with newer RCD models. It won't save energy but at least it offers some safety improvements.
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    shaddlershaddler Posts: 11,574
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    I don't see how this is going to help me. I don't leave things on standby overnight and I use appliances as and when I need to. It'll be handy not having to provide a meter reading, but that's about it.
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    and101and101 Posts: 2,688
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    Andrue wrote: »
    Assuming you can. After all unless you are habitually leaving things on for hours on end for no reason there's not much you can do to reduce consumption. For most people the biggest offender is going to be their fridge/freezer and it's not like you can do anything about that. Buying a new, more economical, model is silly because it'll take several years to recoup the cost and you'll probably do more 'environmental damage' by encouraging production of fridges and throwing your old one away.

    Most of the things you might be able to switch off (TVs left on in empty bedrooms, computers left on doing nothing) aren't major consumers anyway. If they really had to spend our money on something like this it'd be better to have older consumer units (like mine) replaced with newer RCD models. It won't save energy but at least it offers some safety improvements.
    A fridge/freezer uses less power when it is full so keeping it well stocked, even if it is bottles full of water, will save energy.

    Using a lower temperature to wash your clothes will save quite a bit on the electric bill as most of the energy used in a washing machine goes towards heating the water.

    When boiling a kettle only fill it with the amount of water you need, any more and you are just wasting energy trying to heat water you are not using.

    TVs, dvd players, satellite receivers and most other consumer items use power when they are on standby so switching them off at night will save several kilowatts over the course of a year. I did a test with my satellite receiver and when it is switched on it uses 70W, on standby it uses 69.5W, all the standby button did was turn off the LED back-light on the display.

    Putting a computer into sleep mode when you walk away will save energy, desktops can use several hundred watts when they are running while in sleep mode they only consume enough energy to keep the memory refreshed. With modern computers it only takes a second or two to come out of sleep mode so it isn't any more inconvenient to put it to sleep when you are not using it.

    Using LED lighting instead of incandescent lights will save energy without costing a fortune to install. I managed to drop the total energy consumption for the lighting in my house from 1.5KW to 180W just by changing all of the lights to LED.

    Each of those things will not save much energy on their own but combined together they can make quite a saving. I have managed to reduce my electric bill by around 40% just by making a few changes to the way I use electricity.
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    AndrueAndrue Posts: 23,366
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    and101 wrote: »
    A fridge/freezer uses less power when it is full so keeping it well stocked, even if it is bottles full of water, will save energy.

    Using a lower temperature to wash your clothes will save quite a bit on the electric bill as most of the energy used in a washing machine goes towards heating the water.

    When boiling a kettle only fill it with the amount of water you need, any more and you are just wasting energy trying to heat water you are not using.

    TVs, dvd players, satellite receivers and most other consumer items use power when they are on standby so switching them off at night will save several kilowatts over the course of a year. I did a test with my satellite receiver and when it is switched on it uses 70W, on standby it uses 69.5W, all the standby button did was turn off the LED back-light on the display.

    Putting a computer into sleep mode when you walk away will save energy, desktops can use several hundred watts when they are running while in sleep mode they only consume enough energy to keep the memory refreshed. With modern computers it only takes a second or two to come out of sleep mode so it isn't any more inconvenient to put it to sleep when you are not using it.

    Using LED lighting instead of incandescent lights will save energy without costing a fortune to install. I managed to drop the total energy consumption for the lighting in my house from 1.5KW to 180W just by changing all of the lights to LED.

    Each of those things will not save much energy on their own but combined together they can make quite a saving. I have managed to reduce my electric bill by around 40% just by making a few changes to the way I use electricity.
    Yes, I know all that but that isn't what this thread is about. This thread is asking how is a smart meter going to help someone work that out?

    Do you think it's going to have a text display saying 'If you kept more stuff in your fridge/freezer it'd not use as much power' or 'I've just detected that you boiled more water than you really needed.'?

    A smart meter is not going to be much use for most of those items you've listed. All it does is sit there and tell you current consumption and a history of prior consumption both of which are systemic values. It can't tell whether that 1kw load is your fridge or your kettle (or both of them. Or several other smaller items). What you need to find out about individual power usage is is a power meter. Even then some of the items you've listed are difficult to detect. The only way to detect the difference in power usage of a fridge is to monitor the power it uses, the ambient temperature of the room it's located in and the amount of food contained within it over several weeks.

    Anyone that wants to do this stuff (and I did some of it a few years ago) can already do so by buying a power meter for about £15. Well..bearing in mind that monitoring power consumption is actually more complicated than that because of the power factor.
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    radcliffe95radcliffe95 Posts: 4,086
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    and101 wrote: »
    TVs, dvd players, satellite receivers and most other consumer items use power when they are on standby so switching them off at night will save several kilowatts over the course of a year. I did a test with my satellite receiver and when it is switched on it uses 70W, on standby it uses 69.5W, all the standby button did was turn off the LED back-light on the display.
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    It is not recommended to keep turning your Sky box on and off at the mains.
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