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Nicola Sturgeon, Offer to stand with England Wales and NI,

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    *Sparkle**Sparkle* Posts: 10,957
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    Please note I don't know whether she does or not but the size of her bosom is no more relevant to her right to speak than the size of the country that elected her or them.

    Seriously? Even if Scotland was independent, do you think that being leader of a small country gives you as much power as being leader of a large country?

    Why make this about women?

    Angela Merkel is one of the most powerful world leaders, not because of her bra size, or because she's a woman, but because Germany is a fairly large country, with substantial involvement in international policy and a strong economy etc.

    The leaders of Switzerland and Singapore are not important on the international stage.

    The leader of Israel is important, but for all of the wrong reasons.
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    glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    Where do you get the idea that Scottish legislation does not go through the HoL?

    Bloody hell...they give you your own parliament to pass laws and you don't realise that the HoL doesn't see, amend and vote on them?

    :D:D:D
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    HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    jjwales wrote: »
    Perhaps they meant legislation which originates in the Scottish Parliament.

    Local councils can also make laws. They are called "Bye-Laws".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byelaws_in_the_United_Kingdom
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    BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    Bloody hell...they give you your own parliament to pass laws and you don't realise that the HoL doesn't see, amend and vote on them?

    :D:D:D

    What about the areas that are not devolved? . Do you actually understand how the unwritten "constitution " of the UK works
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    glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    *Sparkle* wrote: »
    Seriously? Even if Scotland was independent, do you think that being leader of a small country gives you as much power as being leader of a large country?

    Why make this about women?

    Angela Merkel is one of the most powerful world leaders, not because of her bra size, or because she's a woman, but because Germany is a fairly large country, with substantial involvement in international policy and a strong economy etc.

    The leaders of Switzerland and Singapore are not important on the international stage.

    The leader of Israel is important, but for all of the wrong reasons.

    Whoooooooooosh
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    BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    jjwales wrote: »
    Perhaps they meant legislation which originates in the Scottish Parliament.

    I think you are being a bit generous to their thought process there :)
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    smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    LostFool wrote: »
    I still don't know what "progressive" mean - if it means spending money that we don't have, big government and high taxes then I don't see it as being a good thing - but who are they going to work with? Certainly not Labour. The only "change" the SNP want is the end of the the UK.
    Ads wrote: »
    It needs to always be kept in mind that anything the SNP do is based on achieving their end game - an independent Scotland which they govern. Sturgeon has no interest in 'progressive' voters south of the border, she is just using them to achieve her aims.
    The SNP knows they will not get another referendum this parliament and not during the next Scottish one, so they are trying to make things better for the people in Scotland but improving conditions for all in the UK, under the Westminster system.

    The three main political parties are acting like tarts with no knickers - they will work with anyone provided they get what they want. The Conservatives have worked with the Lib Dems in government and with labour in the Referendum. The Lib Dems have abandoned all principles to go into government and Labour worked closely with the Conservatives in the Referendum. Labour will work with anyone to get back into government, so all the talk about not wanting anything to do with the SNP is just bluster, although I'm sure the Scottish Labour MPs would be adamant about it, but there won't be enough of them to make a difference. The SNP will also work with other parties in government, but for them the Conservative policies of austerity and attacks on the poor are too much for them to bear, so they will not work with them.
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    BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    *Sparkle* wrote: »
    Seriously? Even if Scotland was independent, do you think that being leader of a small country gives you as much power as being leader of a large country?

    Why make this about women?

    Angela Merkel is one of the most powerful world leaders, not because of her bra size, or because she's a woman, but because Germany is a fairly large country, with substantial involvement in international policy and a strong economy etc.

    The leaders of Switzerland and Singapore are not important on the international stage.

    The leader of Israel is important, but for all of the wrong reasons.
    Er , the UK IS a small country
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    HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    The SNP knows they will not get another referendum this parliament and not during the next Scottish one, so they are trying to make things better for the people in Scotland but improving conditions for all in the UK, under the Westminster system.

    The three main political parties are acting like tarts with no knickers - they will work with anyone provided they get what they want. The Conservatives have worked with the Lib Dems in government and with labour in the Referendum. The Lib Dems have abandoned all principles to go into government and Labour worked closely with the Conservatives in the Referendum. Labour will work with anyone to get back into government, so all the talk about not wanting anything to do with the SNP is just bluster, although I'm sure the Scottish Labour MPs would be adamant about it, but there won't be enough of them to make a difference. The SNP will also work with other parties in government, but for them the Conservative policies of austerity and attacks on the poor are too much for them to bear, so they will not work with them.

    Ah, I think the shoe is on the other foot. The SNP said it wants nothing to do with the Conservative Party...

    The best policy to get rid of the Conservatives, is to vote Labour - anywhere and everywhere in the UK.
    Any other vote is a wasted vote.
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    CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    Er , the UK IS a small country

    This is the stumbling block for westminster and has been for decades, all the main parties are obsessed with the UK's place on the "world stage", far more interested in status than they're interested in the people who actually live here
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    HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    Er , the UK IS a small country
    No the UK is a MIDDLE size country.
    A small country would probably stop at something like Australia or Holland size (eg under 25 million).
    The EU is a large country along with USA, China, Indonesia and India ..
    Possibly Russia too - just.
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    glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    What about the areas that are not devolved? . Do you actually understand how the unwritten "constitution " of the UK works

    That's a different matter...the initial reference by northantsgirl was to Scottish laws...ie those passed by the Scottish Parliament.

    Of course the areas that are not devolved to Scotland go via the HoL...but they are not "Scottish laws" are they...they are UK laws.

    And I won't question your understanding of the grammar of the English language :p
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    CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    Ah, I think the shoe is on the other foot. The SNP said it wants nothing to do with the Conservative Party...

    The best policy to get rid of the Conservatives, is to vote Labour - anywhere and everywhere in the UK.
    Any other vote is a wasted vote.

    Blackmail: the only strategy of the amoral Labour Party. Thanks for illustrating for us
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    BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    Ah, I think the shoe is on the other foot. The SNP said it wants nothing to do with the Conservative Party...

    The best policy to get rid of the Conservatives, is to vote Labour - anywhere and everywhere in the UK.
    Any other vote is a wasted vote.

    In Scotland , the best way to get rid of the conservatives is to vote SNP
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    HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    Capparwire wrote: »
    Blackmail: the only strategy of the amoral Labour Party. Thanks for illustrating for us

    Nope - its the simple truth. The only party that is big enough to win that is not Conservative is Labour. Its not blackmail, its basic arithmetic.
    If you want to get rid of the Conservatives vote Labour.
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    BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    That's a different matter...the initial reference by northantsgirl was to Scottish laws...ie those passed by the Scottish Parliament.

    Of course the areas that are not devolved to Scotland go via the HoL...but they are not "Scottish laws" are they...they are UK laws.

    And I won't question your understanding of the grammar of the English language :p

    No they are all Scottish Laws as Scotland has a different, and independent, Law system. Try looking it up
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    HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    In Scotland , the best way to get rid of the conservatives is to vote SNP

    Nope , because a Conservative Government can get into power even if 70% of Scottish MPs were SNP. The SNP should encourage all its supporters to vote LABOUR in Scotland
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    *Sparkle**Sparkle* Posts: 10,957
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    Whoooooooooosh

    My apologies if you were being ironic. It's often hard to tell with the victim complex held by many of the SNP fanatics, which they combine very impressively with thinking haven't noticed Scotland is is a big country. Or maybe they just think it's part of a media conspiracy to lie about the population. It really is hard to tell what nonsense people genuinely believe these days.:blush:
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    CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    Nope - its the simple truth. The only party that is big enough to win that is not Conservative is Labour. Its not blackmail, its basic arithmetic.
    If you want to get rid of the Conservatives vote Labour.

    Blackmail: the only strategy of the amoral Labour party
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    BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    Nope - its the simple truth. The only party that is big enough to win that is not Conservative is Labour. Its not blackmail, its basic arithmetic.
    If you want to get rid of the Conservatives vote Labour.

    Does not apply to the situation in Scotland
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    glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    jjwales wrote: »
    Perhaps they meant legislation which originates in the Scottish Parliament.

    Scottish laws...laws passed in Scottish parliament...

    UK laws...laws passed in the UK Parliament

    Boggleshire by laws...laws passed by the parish council in Boggleshire.

    ;-)
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    CapparwireCapparwire Posts: 2,135
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    Nope , because a Conservative Government can get into power even if 70% of Scottish MPs were SNP. The SNP should encourage all its supporters to vote LABOUR in Scotland

    Natch, that worked in 2010, which is why the Tories didn't get in
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    HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    Brawlad wrote: »
    No they are all Scottish Laws as Scotland has a different, and independent, Law system. Try looking it up

    There are still a few UK wide laws.
    eg
    The UK Laws

    Some of the UK Acts also apply in Scotland. The UK Information Commissioner is responsible for enforcing this legislation.

    The Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) - the UK equivalent of FOISA, this Act applies to UK-wide public authorities, some of which operate in Scotland e.g. the BBC, the Ministry of Defence.
    The Data Protection Act 1998 (DPA) - this Act, which governs access to personal information (i.e. information about yourself and others), applies to the whole of the UK - including Scotland.
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,599
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    The three main political parties are acting like tarts with no knickers - they will work with anyone provided they get what they want.
    I doubt they'd work with the BNP.
    The Lib Dems have abandoned all principles to go into government
    All principles? That's quite an exaggeration!
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    BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    Nope , because a Conservative Government can get into power even if 70% of Scottish MPs were SNP. The SNP should encourage all its supporters to vote LABOUR in Scotland

    Labour needs to win in the rest of the UK. Last election Scotland voted labour, for the reasons you are advocating, and got the most revolting Tory led administration.
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