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    DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
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    Wednesday's picks

    2H2R-T Bet 1

    Bangor 02:25 Hurricane's Girl and Abigail Lynch
    Kempton 05:15 Boboli Gardens and Hierarch

    System A

    Bangor 02:25 - Abigail Lynch, Allez Encore
    Wincanton 02:40 - Businessmoney Judi
    Wincanton 03:10 - Atlantic Roller
    Bangor 03:25 - Mackerye End, Kellys Brow
    Wincanton 03:40 - Risk A Fine, Alto Des Mottes
    Wincanton 04:10 - Bach On Tow, Dont Call Me Oscar
    Bangor 04:55 - Jaunty Thor
    Kempton 05:15 - Hierarch
    Kempton 06:15 - Happy Dreams, Water Dancer
    Kempton 07:15 - Lyssio

    System A total stake = 30 pts

    System B

    Wincanton 02:10 - Streets Of Promise
    Bangor 02:25 - Allez Encore
    Wincanton 02:40 - Businessmoney Judi (dbl stake)
    Bangor 02:55 - Zero Visibility
    Wincanton 03:10 - Moujik Borget
    Bangor 03:25 - Kellys Brow
    Wincanton 03:40 - Revaader
    Bangor 04:25 - Flying Light
    Bangor 04:55 - Jaunty Thor
    Kempton 05:15 - Hierarch, Monsieur Royale
    Kempton 06:15 - Happy Dreams, Water Dancer
    Kempton 07:15 - Kyllachy Spirit, Lyssio
    Kempton 08:45 - Bouncing Czech

    System B total bets = 16, stake = 34 pts
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    swingalegswingaleg Posts: 103,121
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    swingaleg wrote: »
    Wed - Kempton

    5.15 Flamborough Breeze (7) - 5/2
    7.15 Aldeburgh (13) - 3/1
    7.45 Lucky Dottie (11) - 5/1
    8.15 NewLeyf (13) - 11/2
    8.45 Misu Pete (8) - 3/1

    blimey.......5 losers

    Running Totals

    231 selections
    45 winners
    186 losers
    P/L - (-25.90)
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    Thursday - Southwell

    2.10 Come Uppance (11) – 9/2
    3.10 Lucky Mark (10) – 9/2
    3.40 Gabrial The Duke (10) – 3/1
    4.15 Walk Lke a giant (8) – 7/4
    4.50 General Tufto (8) - 7/1
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    DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
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    I love this game.

    2H2R-T returned itself with a 3/1 and a NR
    System A had a couple of winners but a 16.80 pt loss
    System B had two winners and a place but a 14.60 pt loss

    2H2R-T Stats
    2 wins from 6 bets 33.33%
    Total stake 24 pts, total return 18.65 pts
    P/L -5.35 pts, ROI -22.3%

    SYSTEM A
    203 wins from 724 bets 28.03%
    Total stake 1448 pts, total return 1354.52 pts
    P/L -93.48 pts, ROI -6.46%

    SYSTEM B
    107 wins from 418 bets 25.59%
    Total stake 910 pts, total return 881.98 pts
    P/L -28.02 pts, ROI -3.08%
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    DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
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    Thursday's picks

    2H2R-T[/B/[U/]

    Bet 1
    Ludlow 02:20 Trickaway and Until Winning
    Southwell 04:15 Walk Like A Giant and Pirate Cove

    Bet 2
    Southwell 03:40 Gabrial The Duke and Royal Peculiar
    Thurles 03:45 Winter Breeze and Lahaag

    Bet 3
    Ludlow 05:00 Vodka Wells and Bobble Boru
    Chelmsford 05:35 Legal Art and Miss Excellence

    System A[/B/[U/]

    Southwell 02:10 - Moon River
    Thurles 02:15 - Feenakilmeedy
    Ludlow 02:20 - Trickaway
    Thurles 02:45 - Irish Thistle
    Ludlow 02:50 - Blameitalonmyroots
    Thurles 03:15 - Milsean, Sambremont
    Ludlow 03:20 - Tony Star
    Taunton 03:30 - Amanto, Alternatif
    Southwell 03:40 - Royal Peculiar
    Taunton 04:05 - Chosen Milan
    Southwell 04:15 - Walk Like A Giant
    Thurles 04:20 - Ryansbrook, Whatuthink
    Ludlow 04:25 - Out Now
    Taunton 04:40 - Cresswell Breeze
    Southwell 04:50 - Dark Diamond
    Thurles 04:55 - Lukes Benefit
    Taunton 05:10 - Dancing Solo
    Thurles 05:25 - Westerner Lady

    Total System A stake = 42 pts

    System B[/B/[U/]

    With System B I originally said that if it found three or more horses in a race, then I'd not do the race, but I've noticed that this has caused it to miss out on some decent priced winners which would have definitely resulted in a profit on that race.
    So, for today and tomorrow at least (as I generally don't do Systems A and B at the weekend) I'll revise that. However, if the number of available places drops below the number of horses selected, then I'll still bin the race.

    Ludlow 01:50 - Sweeping Rock
    Taunton 02:00 - Flanagans Field
    Thurles 02:15 - Shaunas Dream, Shuilamach (dbl stake)
    Ludlow 02:20 - Gallery Exhibition
    Taunton 02:30 - Dunns River
    Thurles 02:45 - Rubi Light
    Thurles 03:15 - Milsean
    Ludlow 03:20 - Alfie Spinner
    Taunton 03:30 - Dragons Den, Saint Breiz
    Southwell 03:40 - Lycidas
    Ludlow 03:50 - (9) After Eight Sivola, Looks Like Power (dbl stake), Vivant Poeme
    Southwell 04:15 - Back Burner, Senor George
    Thurles 04:20 - Really Unique, Ryansbrook
    Taunton 04:40 - Johns Luck
    Southwell 04:50 - Secret Recipe
    Thurles 04:55 - (15) Do Try Dolly, Edmundo, Fainne An Lae
    Ludlow 05:00 - Fairy Alisha
    Taunton 05:10 - (9) Dancing Solo (dbl stake), Kavestorm, Look For Love
    Thurles 05:25 - Elusive Ivy
    Chelmsford 06:10 - Hermosa Vaquera, Koos
    Chelmsford 07:40 - Noguchi
    Chelmsford 08:10 - Golden Amber
    Chelmsford 08:40 - Cottrell

    Total System B bets = 34, stake = 74 pts
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    swingaleg wrote: »
    Thursday - Southwell

    2.10 Come Uppance (11) – 9/2
    3.10 Lucky Mark (10) – 9/2
    3.40 Gabrial The Duke (10) – 3/1
    4.15 Walk Lke a giant (8) – 7/4
    4.50 General Tufto (8) - 7/1

    Bad day today........only 1 got placed......

    Running Totals

    236 selections
    45 winners
    191 losers
    P/L - (-30.90)
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    Friday

    Lingfield

    2.20 Total Demolition (12) - 7/2
    2.50 Lupo D'oro (9) - 15/8
    5.05 Admirable Art (7) - 4/1

    Wolves

    5.45 Glos Last (13) - 15/8
    6.15 Lean On Pete (7) - 7/2
    6.45 Cabal (10) - 11/4
    7.45 Dream Child (11) - 6/5
    8.15 Bushtiger (4) - 4/1
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    DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
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    2H2R-T failed to find a single winner
    System A had four winners and returned 30.27 pts, a 11.73 pt loss
    System B had four winners and four places and returned 67.08 pts, a 4.92 pt loss.

    2H2R-T Stats
    2 wins from 9 bets 22.22%
    Total stake 36 pts, total return 18.65 pts
    P/L -17.35 pts, ROI -48.2%

    SYSTEM A
    207 wins from 745 bets 27.78%
    Total stake 1490 pts, total return 1384.79 pts
    P/L -105.21 pts, ROI -7.07%

    SYSTEM B
    115 wins from 451 bets 25.49%
    Total stake 982 pts, total return 949.06 pts
    P/L -32.94 pts, ROI -3.36%
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    Friday's picks

    2H2R-T

    Bet 1
    Lingfield 05:05 Admirable Art and Bloodsweatandtears
    Wolverhampton 08:45 No Rum and Final

    Bet 2
    Newbury 02:30 Minella Rocco and Royal Vacation
    Doncaster 04:50 Crazy Jack and Quicuyo

    Bet 3
    Newbury 02:00 Sebastian Beach and Brook
    Doncaster 02:40 Hannah's Princess and Hurricanes Girl

    Bet 4
    Newbury 04:10 Fourth Act and Spirit DArmor
    Dundalk 06:05 Maronella and Hat Alnasar


    System A

    Lingfield 02:20 - Total Demolition
    Newbury 03:00 - Village Vic
    Doncaster 03:10 - Hunters Hoof
    Lingfield 04:00 - Ritas Boy
    Newbury 04:10 - Fourth Act, Vif Argent
    Newbury 04:40 - Obistar
    Doncaster 04:50 - Crazy Jack
    Doncaster 05:25 - Harveys Hope
    Wolverhampton 06:15 - Spreadable
    Dundalk 09:05 - Hurricane Ridge

    Total System A stake = 22 pts


    System B

    Newbury 02:00 - Bishop Wulstan, Space Walker
    Doncaster 02:10 - Old Pride
    Newbury 02:30 - April Dusk (dbl stake), Showboater
    Doncaster 02:40 - Always Managing, Hannahs Princess
    Newbury 03:00 - Cody Wyoming, Paddy The Stout
    Lingfield 03:25 - Mareef
    Newbury 03:35 - Trillerin Minella, Winston Churchill
    Doncaster 03:45 - Pure Oxygen
    Lingfield 04:00 - Merdon Castle
    Newbury 04:10 - Spirit DArmor
    Doncaster 04:20 - Favorite Girl
    Newbury 04:40 - Urban Storm
    Doncaster 04:50 - Crazy Jack, Tiptoeaway
    Doncaster 05:25 - Dolly Diamond
    Dundalk 05:35 - Strategic Heights
    Wolverhampton 05:45 - Gios Last, Rosie Hall (dbl stake)
    Wolverhampton 06:15 - Sonnetation
    Dundalk 06:35 - Have A Nice Day, Yes I Am
    Wolverhampton 06:45 - (9) Cookie Ring, Destiny Blue, Spokesperson
    Dundalk 07:05 - Ace Of Arts, Behind Bars
    Wolverhampton 07:15 - Snow Dancer
    Wolverhampton 07:45 - Cullentry Royal
    Dundalk 08:05 - Coach Bombay, Manorov
    Wolverhampton 08:15 - Bushtiger
    Dundalk 08:35 - On The Motorway
    Dundalk 09:05 - Hurricane Ridge

    Total System B bets = 38, stake = 80 pts
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    swingalegswingaleg Posts: 103,121
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    swingaleg wrote: »
    Friday

    Lingfield

    2.20 Total Demolition (12) - 7/2
    2.50 Lupo D'oro (9) - 15/8
    5.05 Admirable Art (7) - 4/1

    Wolves

    5.45 Glos Last (13) - 15/8
    6.15 Lean On Pete (7) - 7/2
    6.45 Cabal (10) - 11/4
    7.45 Dream Child (11) - 6/5
    8.15 Bushtiger (4) - 4/1

    2/1 and 6/5 winners........a loss of 2.80 on the day

    Running Totals

    244 selections
    47 winners
    197 losers
    P/L - (-33.10)
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    Saturday

    Lingfield

    2.20 Waabel (8) - 11/2
    2.55 Spiritual Star (8) - 8/1
    4.05 Doctor Parkes (10) - 6/1
    4.40 Precision Five (11) - 9/4
    5.15 Quality art (11) - 9/4
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    DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
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    2H2R-T bet 1 returned 1.91 thanks to a NR and a 10/11 winner, the rest flopped with one winner in each bet.
    System A had three winners but fell 2.26 pts short of a profit.
    System B fared better thanks to 16/1 and 10/1 winners early on, and had eight winners and four places returning a 10.65 pt profit.


    2H2R-T Stats
    3 wins from 13 bets 23.07%
    Total stake 52 pts, total return 20.56 pts
    P/L -31.44 pts, ROI -60.47%

    SYSTEM A
    210 wins from 756 bets 27.77%
    Total stake 1512 pts, total return 1404.53 pts
    P/L -107.47 pts, ROI -7.11%

    SYSTEM B
    127 wins from 487 bets 26.07%
    Total stake 1058 pts, total return 1035.71 pts
    P/L -22.29 pts, ROI -2.11%
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    DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
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    Just the one 2H2R-T today

    Newbury 145 Irish Buccaneer and Leave It Be
    Newbury 250 Albert Bridge and Alltwaal
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    DartGuru wrote: »
    Just the one 2H2R-T today

    Newbury 145 Irish Buccaneer and Leave It Be
    Newbury 250 Albert Bridge and Alltwaal

    Shame I didn't do the f/c on the 145. :-(
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    Aarrgghh

    Nothing today. 10lb claimer needs to learn how to just sit and let the horse do the work.
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    swingaleg wrote: »
    Saturday

    Lingfield

    2.20 Waabel (8) - 11/2
    2.55 Spiritual Star (8) - 8/1
    4.05 Doctor Parkes (10) - 6/1
    4.40 Precision Five (11) - 9/4
    5.15 Quality art (11) - 9/4


    Five losers

    Running Totals

    249 selections
    47 winners
    202 losers
    P/L - (-38.10)

    After a couple of months I'm knocking this one on the head now

    I'm satisfied that this system can't be profitable in the long run

    I think the problem is that by awarding points for previous finishing position you're 'picking' horses that have been at the top of their form for a couple of runs......but of course they've then gone up in the weights and possibly been forced into a higher grade, Not many horses, for example, would win 3 handicaps on the trot, the system is designed to stop that happening !

    I've got another idea to try out which I'll post up when the first suitable race comes along.........:)
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    My new idea is for novice hurdle races. I've noticed how you usually get a very skewed market on early prices often with a couple of fancied ones and everything else at big prices. I think this is because there's usually not a lot of form to go on and horses that have already won a novice race can be very heavily backed despite carrying a penalty or double penalty

    Before the off all the other prices collapse as the bookies start to worry about their EW liabilities

    So the system is designed to take EW advantage of generous early prices on novice hurdles.

    I'll be looking for races with 10 or more runners to allow for a couple of NRs and still get 3 places. I'll be looking to select the 4th favourite as long as it's got a double figure price. If there are joint 4th favourites I'll pick the one with the biggest RPR and if none have an RPR I'll leave the race alone.

    Now it's quite likely that there might not be a lot of selections.......so to keep the thing ticking over and for comparison I'll also use the same criteria on Maiden Hurdles and Maiden Flat races. My expectation is that the novice hurdles will prove more profitable because of the penalty structure for winners whereas winners of maiden hurdles and flat races can't run again in those type of races.

    These kind of races are not usually priced up until the morning of the race so I'll generally be posting selections late morning.
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    swingalegswingaleg Posts: 103,121
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    Because my new system might not be very prolific in runners I'm going to include the Irish racing as well. Any odds quoted will be 'best price with bog' at time of posting

    As the odds go up and down it's possible that other selections can be added later in the day if I check the cards again

    Novice hurdles - no qualifying races today
    Flat maidens - no flat racing today

    Maiden Hurdles

    Navan 2.20 - Good Cause - 10/1
    Hunt 4.30 - Rock of Ages - 10/1
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    As I often look at these races for EW bets I think I'll note any 'pick of the day' selections which don't fit the system........just to see if educated......:blush:.......picks can beat the system

    Today I'm going for

    4.30 Hunt - Top Man Marty - EW at 16/1
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    Just the one 2H2R-T today

    Huntingdon 02:00 Lanceur and Perfect Summer
    Huntingdon 04:00 Malanos and Tealissio
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    Swing, I like the idea of E/W value in a 4th favourite in 3-place novice hurdles. I've been looking at picking 2nd or 3rd favourites across the board (given certain qualifying criteria) but need to spend a bit more time on it first. That'll be a replacement for the failing System A eventually, although I'll run that for another few days at least.

    One of the selection options for System A is to pick any horse in the top three in the racecard in handicaps, for certain trainers, that bit has been interesting and profitable, so might get its own system soon.

    Good luck :-)
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    Cheers......

    I might expand this to take in a couple of horses per race if for example the 4th and 5th favourites are 16/1 and 20/1 and everything else is 50/1 and bigger I could pick the two horses

    Also you occasionally get races, usually with an odds on favourite, where the 3rd favourite is double figure odds

    But obviously with a 'system' you really need hard and fast rules that you stick to.......otherwise you're just selecting horses on whether you like their chance or not which defeats the object of a system !

    So the rule is basically to pick the first or second or both horses in the betting that are double figure odds providing there are no more than 3 horses in single figure odds !
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    swingaleg wrote: »
    Novice hurdles - no qualifying races today
    Flat maidens - no flat racing today

    Maiden Hurdles

    Navan 2.20 - Good Cause - 10/1
    Hunt 4.30 - Rock of Ages - 10/1

    Rock of Ages was a NR. Good Cause ran OK, never really put in with a chance but ran around on the coat-tails of the leading pack and carried on to the finish, coming in 6th. Two of the placed horses had SPs of 25/1 and 16/1 which is a moral victory in that it re-forces that big priced ones can beat the market leaders in these races. It's just a case of picking the right ones.......:blush:

    Maiden Hurdle

    Today - 1 runner, 1 loser, total stakes 2 points, P/L - 2.00

    My pick of the day ran into 3rd

    Pick Of The Day

    Today - 1 runner, 1 placer, total stakes 2 points, P/L + 2.20

    No qualifying races tomorrow......I fear this might happen a lot with the small fields around at the moment. Perhaps I'll tweak the conditions if we get days and days with no qualifiers.
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    DartGuru wrote: »
    Just the one 2H2R-T today

    Huntingdon 02:00 Lanceur and Perfect Summer
    Huntingdon 04:00 Malanos and Tealissio

    One from two, not good enough
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    2H2R-T

    Fakenham 02:00 Bathcounty and Lions Charge
    Wolverhampton 03:10 Shipwright and Exentricity

    System A

    Southwell 02:50 - Dixie Bull
    Wolverhampton 03:40 - Foxcover
    Southwell 03:50 - Mondo Cane
    Wolverhampton 04:40 - Virtual Reality
    Wolverhampton 05:10 - Edgware Road, Enriching
    Wolverhampton 05:40 - Subcontinent, Snow Pearl

    Total System A stake = 16 pts


    System B

    Fakenham 02:00 - Lions Charge
    Fakenham 02:30 - Aviator, Mr Burbidge
    Southwell 02:50 - Tarabela
    Fakenham 03:00 - Alright Benny, Wish In A Well
    Fakenham 03:30 - Azabitmour, Cafe Au Lait
    Wolverhampton 03:40 - Foxcover
    Southwell 03:50 - (13) Joyful Motive, Mazurati, Sand Artist
    Fakenham 04:00 - Jackthejourneyman, Morestead
    Wolverhampton 04:40 - Virtual Reality
    Southwell 04:50 - Dont Call Me Oscar, Zero Visibility
    Wolverhampton 05:10 - (10) Dimitar, Edgware Road (dbl stake), Enriching
    Wolverhampton 05:40 - Madam Midnight

    Total System B bets = 21, stake = 44 pts
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