Only a few days ago Tsipras called the IMF criminals. They're currently part bankrolling Greece. Yesterday in a meeting with Christine Lagarde, the Greek finance minister apologised for his PM's remarks. I had alot of sympathy for the Greeks, it's waning now, at times they're coming across as amateurs. I certainly would not want to live under a Syriza government on a transition over to the Drachma.
Their fighting for their people a lot harder than your government did.
I do not think either of these scenarios are likely to happen.
The gas deal is done but won't benefit greece until it's finished.
Why is it so important for Tsipras to do this deal now?
To show Europe he will be Putin's bitch and to show the greek people that he can actually do something, because when Greece default on the euro his job is on the line.
There is no serious risk of a Greek tilt to Russia, let alone to China. But Greece might come to resemble Kosovo or Macedonia in its disorderly politics, rotten institutions, and reliance on foreign economic help. Under what I would call a contained disaster, a long-term Western presence would prevent total state failure but would deepen native resentment of Greece’s de facto protectorate status.
It would be interesting to test the legality of the money poured into Greece, not to save the country but to save the euro and, thereby, the EU and the face and fortunes of the likes of Germany and France.
It would be interesting to test the legality of the money poured into Greece, not to save the country but to save the euro and, thereby, the EU and the face and fortunes of the likes of Germany and France.
All these banking bailouts are seriously lacking in democratic legitimacy - and the European and British taxpayer are on the hook for it if it all goes wrong.
An interesting article here in the Irish Times by the Greek finance minister - apparently his EU finance ministers colleagues aren't even allowed to see the details of what the ECB/IMF are proposing or the Greeks offer before they ratify it. Apparently only the Irish Finance minister sermed to have an issue with this. Apparently the bureaucrats think the democratically elected Finance ministers and their advisors are too stupid to understand it all.
All these banking bailouts are seriously lacking in democratic legitimacy - and the European and British taxpayer are on the hook for it if it all goes wrong.
An interesting article here in the Irish Times by the Greek finance minister - apparently his EU finance ministers colleagues aren't even allowed to see the details of what the ECB/IMF are proposing or the Greeks offer before they ratify it. Apparently only the Irish Finance minister sermed to have an issue with this. Apparently the bureaucrats think the democratically elected Finance ministers and their advisors are too stupid to understand it all.
All these banking bailouts are seriously lacking in democratic legitimacy - and the European and British taxpayer are on the hook for it if it all goes wrong.
An interesting article here in the Irish Times by the Greek finance minister - apparently his EU finance ministers colleagues aren't even allowed to see the details of what the ECB/IMF are proposing or the Greeks offer before they ratify it. Apparently only the Irish Finance minister sermed to have an issue with this. Apparently the bureaucrats think the democratically elected Finance ministers and their advisors are too stupid to understand it all.
Yes it's like beating a dog to make it do tricks without recognisng th the dog is ever happy to learn new tricks with just patience and undstanding. And it shows the eurozone and the EU fror what they are.
Apparently the ECB is currently chucking more billions at Greece just to try to keep the banks open. It's farcical. There'll come a point where Greek banks will contain only ECB bailout cash, Greek citizens having pulled out their money. How's that going to work ? Do Greeks move out of their country and the ECB moves in?
Apparently the ECB is currently chucking more billions at Greece just to try to keep the banks open. It's farcical. There'll come a point where Greek banks will contain only ECB bailout cash, Greek citizens having pulled out their money. How's that going to work ? Do Greeks move out of their country and the ECB moves in?
I'm lovin' love this s**t.
If it wasn't so bad for the plight of honest Greeks it would be hilarious and nearing the same farcical proportions of the first bail-out negotiations. No doubt someone will one day make a soap that won't be anywhere near as good as the current reality show.
Apparently the ECB is currently chucking more billions at Greece just to try to keep the banks open. It's farcical. There'll come a point where Greek banks will contain only ECB bailout cash, Greek citizens having pulled out their money. How's that going to work ? Do Greeks move out of their country and the ECB moves in?
I'm lovin' love this s**t.
Maybe we should all head over to Greece and clean out the ECB entirely.:D
Telegraph: UK would be unable to veto any EU financial support to Greece following Grexit
Above a tweet from a journalist.
I have to say unbelievable from the Telegraph. The paper that has used Greece as a weapon to attack the EU over the years. The paper that has used Greece as a weapon to attack the eurozone over the years. The same paper that had John Redwood only this week rooting for the far left Syriza to get out. Yet if Greece do, the Telegraph will be on a witch hunt that Greece will need EU funding after a very catastrophic tsunami that will hit in the very short term in the event of a euro exit. Well done the Telegraph, you've been cheerleading a break up of the eurozone, and if Greece were to leave, you're next port of call is, why does Britain have to help.
Telegraph: UK would be unable to veto any EU financial support to Greece following Grexit
Above a tweet from a journalist.
I have to say unbelievable from the Telegraph. The paper that has used Greece as a weapon to attack the EU over the years. The paper that has used Greece as a weapon to attack the eurozone over the years. The same paper that had John Redwood only this week rooting for the far left Syriza to get out. Yet if Greece do, the Telegraph will be on a witch hunt that Greece will need EU funding after a very catastrophic tsunami that will hit in the very short term in the event of a euro exit. Well done the Telegraph, you've been cheerleading a break up of the eurozone, and if Greece were to leave, you're next port of call is, why does Britain have to help.
Surely that would depend on whether Greece remained in the EU. I've read somewhere this morning that the Greeks are bringing more to the table.....a Russian submarine maybe.:)
Apparently the Yanks are worried about potential security undermining with Greece leaving the EU (as opposed to just the Euro, obviously), so they'll likely be on the blower over the weekend. Which increases the possibility of the impossibility of Greece staying in (yes, I typed that as intended).
I suppose repeating how farcical it is doesn't add much to the discussion at this point.
Apparently the Yanks are worried about potential security undermining with Greece leaving the EU (as opposed to just the Euro, obviously), so they'll likely be on the blower over the weekend. Which increases the possibility of the impossibility of Greece staying in (yes, I typed that as intended).
I suppose repeating how farcical it is doesn't add much to the discussion at this point.
In a poll out this evening in Greece, Syriza is enjoying SNP-esque like support.
SYRIZA 47.5%
New Democracy 19.5
G Dawn 6.5
Potami 6.5
KKE 5.5
PASOK 4.5
Ind Greeks 4
Others 6
In a euro referendum poll tonight, 2-1 are in favour of remaining in the eurozone.
Tomorrow is being billed as 'another' possible deal breaker day with less than ten days to the four IMF repayment installments. A eurogroup meeting tomorrow, ECB meeting also and Tsipras to meet Merkel and Draghi.
In a poll out this evening in Greece, Syriza is enjoying SNP-esque like support.
SYRIZA 47.5%
New Democracy 19.5
G Dawn 6.5
Potami 6.5
KKE 5.5
PASOK 4.5
Ind Greeks 4
Others 6
In a euro referendum poll tonight, 2-1 are in favour of remaining in the eurozone.
Tomorrow is being billed as 'another' possible deal breaker day with less than ten days to the four IMF repayment installments. A eurogroup meeting tomorrow, ECB meeting also and Tsipras to meet Merkel and Draghi.
so a bunch of freeloaders vote for more of other peoples money
in other shock news : ursine creatures found to defecate in arboreal areas
so a bunch of freeloaders vote for more of other peoples money
in other shock news : ursine creatures found to defecate in arboreal areas
Are the bankers voting Syriza too then?
I do get rather sick of this constant sneering at the Greek people - many of whom are suffering great hardship while the elite and banking community escape unscathed.
I do get rather sick of this constant sneering at the Greek people - many of whom are suffering great hardship while the elite and banking community escape unscathed.
maybe if the greek people had paid there taxes they wouldnt be in the $hit they are
I do get rather sick of this constant sneering at the Greek people - many of whom are suffering great hardship while the elite and banking community escape unscathed.
The Greeks do rather appear wedded to the idea of a future of EU bailout cash. Irrespective of their hardship (if that isn't an unreasonable statement), you can't blame people for interpreting it as a form of freeloading.
Greek stock exchange up 8%.
French President Hollande has told reporters we might see a deal agreed tonight.
The Germans don't sound too optimistic.
Famke Krumbmüller @FKrumbmuller
Schauble: 'we dont have anything new, we have not moved since last Thursday' #Greece #eurogroup
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I do get rather sick of this constant sneering at the Greek people - many of whom are suffering great hardship while the elite and banking community escape unscathed.
What about the hardworking German taxpayers paying the bill? Why should they suffer because of poor decisions of the Greek political class?
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Their fighting for their people a lot harder than your government did.
This article and its links show just how bad the situation is and has been. It also shows the nonsense that is the EU:
http://derekbateman.co.uk/2015/06/18/ode-to-joy/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33179593
The gas deal is done but won't benefit greece until it's finished.
Why is it so important for Tsipras to do this deal now?
To show Europe he will be Putin's bitch and to show the greek people that he can actually do something, because when Greece default on the euro his job is on the line.
Edit: This. http://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/?fa=60420
It would be interesting to test the legality of the money poured into Greece, not to save the country but to save the euro and, thereby, the EU and the face and fortunes of the likes of Germany and France.
All these banking bailouts are seriously lacking in democratic legitimacy - and the European and British taxpayer are on the hook for it if it all goes wrong.
An interesting article here in the Irish Times by the Greek finance minister - apparently his EU finance ministers colleagues aren't even allowed to see the details of what the ECB/IMF are proposing or the Greeks offer before they ratify it. Apparently only the Irish Finance minister sermed to have an issue with this. Apparently the bureaucrats think the democratically elected Finance ministers and their advisors are too stupid to understand it all.
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/yanis-varoufakis-a-pressing-question-for-ireland-before-monday-s-meeting-on-greece-1.2256339
If you believe that, he has a truck load of Greek €13 bank notes to exchange for your money anytime you want.
Yes it's like beating a dog to make it do tricks without recognisng th the dog is ever happy to learn new tricks with just patience and undstanding. And it shows the eurozone and the EU fror what they are.
I'm lovin' love this s**t.
If it wasn't so bad for the plight of honest Greeks it would be hilarious and nearing the same farcical proportions of the first bail-out negotiations. No doubt someone will one day make a soap that won't be anywhere near as good as the current reality show.
Maybe we should all head over to Greece and clean out the ECB entirely.:D
Above a tweet from a journalist.
I have to say unbelievable from the Telegraph. The paper that has used Greece as a weapon to attack the EU over the years. The paper that has used Greece as a weapon to attack the eurozone over the years. The same paper that had John Redwood only this week rooting for the far left Syriza to get out. Yet if Greece do, the Telegraph will be on a witch hunt that Greece will need EU funding after a very catastrophic tsunami that will hit in the very short term in the event of a euro exit. Well done the Telegraph, you've been cheerleading a break up of the eurozone, and if Greece were to leave, you're next port of call is, why does Britain have to help.
Surely that would depend on whether Greece remained in the EU. I've read somewhere this morning that the Greeks are bringing more to the table.....a Russian submarine maybe.:)
I suppose repeating how farcical it is doesn't add much to the discussion at this point.
Maybe the Yanquis will come to the rescue.
SULLA is a joke/troll account.
SYRIZA 47.5%
New Democracy 19.5
G Dawn 6.5
Potami 6.5
KKE 5.5
PASOK 4.5
Ind Greeks 4
Others 6
In a euro referendum poll tonight, 2-1 are in favour of remaining in the eurozone.
Tomorrow is being billed as 'another' possible deal breaker day with less than ten days to the four IMF repayment installments. A eurogroup meeting tomorrow, ECB meeting also and Tsipras to meet Merkel and Draghi.
so a bunch of freeloaders vote for more of other peoples money
in other shock news : ursine creatures found to defecate in arboreal areas
Are the bankers voting Syriza too then?
I do get rather sick of this constant sneering at the Greek people - many of whom are suffering great hardship while the elite and banking community escape unscathed.
maybe if the greek people had paid there taxes they wouldnt be in the $hit they are
https://fbkfinanzwirtschaft.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/ez-shadow-economy.jpg
The Greeks do rather appear wedded to the idea of a future of EU bailout cash. Irrespective of their hardship (if that isn't an unreasonable statement), you can't blame people for interpreting it as a form of freeloading.
Would you recommend no further financial assistance to the Greek government ? Or their banks ?
French President Hollande has told reporters we might see a deal agreed tonight.