Gareth Southgate appointed England Manager

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  • circlebro2019circlebro2019 Posts: 17,560
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    Tbh honest I don't think Henderson justifies a place never mind captaincy. Cahill same but he seems to be a nailed on starter for some reason.

    So Rooney is the best option imo.

    henderson captains a team going for the title at club level

    rooney fringe player for a team close to dropping out of top 10

    england manager has also said wayne wont play every game

    hendo a better choice
  • codebluecodeblue Posts: 14,072
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    whedon247 wrote: »
    henderson captains a team going for the title at club level

    rooney fringe player for a team close to dropping out of top 10

    england manager has also said wayne wont play every game

    hendo a better choice

    Absolutely agree in footballing terms
  • Jamesp84Jamesp84 Posts: 31,045
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    The net has been cast.
  • circlebro2019circlebro2019 Posts: 17,560
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    Jamesp84 wrote: »
    The net has been cast.

    oh wow another jamesp84 post that is nothing to do with the thread

    shock horror
  • Jamesp84Jamesp84 Posts: 31,045
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    Edit: Deleted, not worth the ban.
  • NorthernNinnyNorthernNinny Posts: 18,412
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    whedon247 wrote: »
    henderson captains a team going for the title at club level

    rooney fringe player for a team close to dropping out of top 10

    england manager has also said wayne wont play every game

    hendo a better choice

    It doesn't make any difference what his club is doing, I don't think he's good enough to be captain for England.

    Llalana is ten times the player Henderson is, maybe he should be considered if his form continues in the same manner ?
  • snafu65snafu65 Posts: 18,187
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    Well this is a shock left field appointment, I was certainly not expecting him to get the job at all, I mean when you had so many other far more suitable and qualified candidates to select from, selecting him is one that I don't think anyone saw coming!

    Yeah, what was all that interviewing all about, Southgate was and is the only option left!
  • codebluecodeblue Posts: 14,072
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    snafu65 wrote: »
    Yeah, what was all that interviewing all about, Southgate was and is the only option left!

    Not even the fa wanted to employ him.

    Southgate is the most unattractive person in the club and left on the dance floor alone when the lights go up.

    The fa must be absolutely desperate not to go home alone.
  • gemma-the-huskygemma-the-husky Posts: 18,116
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    It's quite clear Southgate hasn't got a clue, along with the insular closed in football world.

    Eddie Jones took over English rugby, realised there was an issue, and made sweeping changes.

    Southgate hasn't got the bottle to even change the captain. That's the first thing he should have done. Just on principle.

    Now we just end up with more of the same. Easy qualifying, and abysmal tournament performances.
  • codebluecodeblue Posts: 14,072
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    It's quite clear Southgate hasn't got a clue, along with the insular closed in football world.

    Eddie Jones took over English rugby, realised there was an issue, and made sweeping changes.

    Southgate hasn't got the bottle to even change the captain. That's the first thing he should have done. Just on principle.

    Now we just end up with more of the same. Easy qualifying, and abysmal tournament performances.

    We are all in concert. It's Roy Hodgson all over again.
  • pete137pete137 Posts: 18,342
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    People said Hoddle would be a backward step. Well appointing Southgate is ten backwards steps. As you say, he does'nt even have the balls to change the captain. Hoddle had the guts to drop Gazza from the world cup and face the wrath of the press and the fans. And it was the right decision. Southgate is spineless.
  • Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    The same people say everyone is a backward step.
  • codebluecodeblue Posts: 14,072
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    pete137 wrote: »
    People said Hoddle would be a backward step. Well appointing Southgate is ten backwards steps. As you say, he does'nt even have the balls to change the captain. Hoddle had the guts to drop Gazza from the world cup and face the wrath of the press and the fans. And it was the right decision. Southgate is spineless.

    Hiddle has been out of the game for ten years, and was a failure in club management.

    He is also a complete bristowesque moron.
  • codebluecodeblue Posts: 14,072
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    The same people say everyone is a backward step.

    Wenger, a forward step.
  • TribecTribec Posts: 9,310
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    I'm sure the Welsh fans weren't celebrating the appointment of Chris Coleman, who's managerial record at club level is woeful and embarrassing. Yet, some how he's worked wonders at international level.

    Southgate at this rate would have to lead us to 3 straight world cups and euro's before he'd be considered a reasonable choice by people in here. The venom is vile. We've tried foreign coaches, it's not worked, we've tried high profile English coaches and it's failed, just give the manager a chance to prove himself. Also let's accept that he's working with crap players, qualifying them would be an achievement.
  • The_don1The_don1 Posts: 17,360
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    codeblue wrote: »
    Wenger, a forward step.

    Why would he leave Arsenal?

    Has he given any indication he would like the job?

    How does he fit into the criteria that the FA seem to using of having someone English in the role?

    It's easy to suggest names but they have to be ones that the FA would/could reasonably recruit

    Might as well say Pepe or Conte otherwise
  • Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    codeblue wrote: »
    Wenger, a forward step.

    Until the team lost a couple of games.
  • Cissy FairfaxCissy Fairfax Posts: 11,782
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    codeblue wrote: »
    Wenger, a forward step.

    So you moan about England being uninspiring and getting eliminated immediately after the knock out stages of any tournament.

    Your solution is Wenger?

    Genius.
  • Cissy FairfaxCissy Fairfax Posts: 11,782
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    Tribec wrote: »
    I'm sure the Welsh fans weren't celebrating the appointment of Chris Coleman, who's managerial record at club level is woeful and embarrassing. Yet, some how he's worked wonders at international level.

    Southgate at this rate would have to lead us to 3 straight world cups and euro's before he'd be considered a reasonable choice by people in here. The venom is vile. We've tried foreign coaches, it's not worked, we've tried high profile English coaches and it's failed, just give the manager a chance to prove himself. Also let's accept that he's working with crap players, qualifying them would be an achievement.

    It's xenophobia. If he was called Garethio Southgateo. Or we had a Stuartio Pearceo and Paulio Incio they would be lauded.

    Antonio Conte was dismissed in his first job, come back to management, lead his side to relegation.

    On the continent, that leads you on to manage the Champions and then the National team.

    With the 'shut in their bedroom all day, with the curtains drawn' rentaquotes on Twitter and DS, that's your career done and dusted and the stocks out on the Village Green.
  • Cissy FairfaxCissy Fairfax Posts: 11,782
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    It's quite clear Southgate hasn't got a clue, along with the insular closed in football world.

    Eddie Jones took over English rugby, realised there was an issue, and made sweeping changes.

    Southgate hasn't got the bottle to even change the captain. That's the first thing he should have done. Just on principle.

    Now we just end up with more of the same. Easy qualifying, and abysmal tournament performances.

    Eddie Jones has not done that at all. He has been successful because he has done the exact opposite. He has kept almost the entire failed World Cup squad, including those criticised the most like Robshaw. Just about every player from the losses has played under his reign.

    He had the sense to bring in the tried and tested, older experienced players like Haskell which is exactly what you should integrate one or two younger players a year into.

    Stuart Lancaster failed because he did what almost all armchair England want: A complete overhaul of all the established players and went into matches with teams with an average of five caps per player and playing players on the strength of being under 23 and had three decent matches for their club.

    If you look at most of the names people wanted in Southgate's last squad and no doubt the next one, it will be exactly the same. If someone scores two goals in March and Rooney, Sturridge and Kane do not, then it will be an apparent outrage they aren't in the squad.
  • pete137pete137 Posts: 18,342
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    codeblue wrote: »
    Hiddle has been out of the game for ten years, and was a failure in club management.

    He is also a complete bristowesque moron.

    What on earth has Bristow got to do with Hoddle ?
  • codebluecodeblue Posts: 14,072
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    pete137 wrote: »
    What on earth has Bristow got to do with Hoddle ?

    Both sacked for their ridiculous views?
  • The_don1The_don1 Posts: 17,360
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    codeblue wrote: »
    Hiddle has been out of the game for ten years, and was a failure in club management.

    He is also a complete bristowesque moron.

    Not a Chelsea fan when Hoddle was manager?

    He was a success at Chelsea and was really the start of where we are today as much as people like Roman and Jose. Without his work Roman would likely have not even considered us as a option to buy. He had his faults as a manager but he was far from a failure. It was him changing the image of the club from just about every important angle that has got us to where we are today. The fact we are a successful club today shows how he cannot be considered a failure as club manager
  • Mark FMark F Posts: 53,306
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    If you look at most of the names people wanted in Southgate's last squad and no doubt the next one, it will be exactly the same. If someone scores two goals in March and Rooney, Sturridge and Kane do not, then it will be an apparent outrage they aren't in the squad.

    West Ham players were a good example of this..

    No demand for Noble and co to be called up this season!
  • soulboy77soulboy77 Posts: 24,396
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    The_don1 wrote: »
    Why would he leave Arsenal?

    Has he given any indication he would like the job?...
    Wenger's contract is up this Summer and his future is not certain. He has stated that he will not consider any job offers until then and that he would consider the England job in the future (if there was a vacancy).

    Personally I think with Southgate now in position, Wenger will not be England manager now, purely because the timing is wrong. The earliest Southgate will resign / be sacked now is post the 2018 World Cup, if England fail to do anything.
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