There's no hype, obviously you believe all of the propaganda you watch on RT.
Putin should not allowed to get away with this, now the Russian breakaway region of Transdneister in Moldova on Ukraine's Western border is asking for Putin's help to gain independence, that's the perfect excuse for him to sweep through Eastern and Southern Ukraine to join them together.
If that happens NATO must stop talking and act.
Should Russia have stopped talking and acted to stop NATO each time they used military force on other countries who are having internal problems with separatists? Putin can claim that the situation is a civilian uprising and that when Kiev threatened to use the military on civilian protesters inside government buildings they crossed a line and then he is in the same position that NATO has frequently been in where an invasion has a faked sense of legitimacy.
take their generals' M&S vouchers away. It would be the most humane way
I think it was considered for the first wave of sanctions but they didn't want to get their wives worked up just in case
There's no hype, obviously you believe all of the propaganda you watch on RT.
Putin should not allowed to get away with this, now the Russian breakaway region of Transdneister in Moldova on Ukraine's Western border is asking for Putin's help to gain independence, that's the perfect excuse for him to sweep through Eastern and Southern Ukraine to join them together.
If that happens NATO must stop talking and act.
Propaganda on RT?
What about our own propaganda? Or do you think that's something only the East indulge?
Transnistria has historical connections to Russia in that years ago it was part of the Russian Empire. Many citizens hold multi-citizenship....Moldovan, Russian, Ukraine and there are still border disputes in some parts of Transnistria with Moldova. Since it's declaration of independence almost twenty five years ago, i doubt many people even knew of it's existence, let alone it's geographical location. Certainly few knew of it until recent political events.
Despite being a Republic with it's own elected President it remains an unrecognised state by the UN.
Sometimes it helps to look at both sides of the table instead of just one and maybe turn them around to see from 'the other side'. With some politicians in the West calling for Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia to be brought into NATO, and US missile bases long established on the eastern border of Poland, it's easy to see why Putin is rattling his sabre too.
Ukraine meanwhile has debt mounting into the billions. Whilst Putin promised financial aid, the West promised sanctions against Russia.
Ukraine may well cut off supplies of gas, electric and water to Crimea which in turn would then provoke Putin into stopping all imports from Ukraine and cut their supply of gas and oil to them......not to mention asking for their debts to be paid.
America said yesterday it would deploy hardware & troops to e.european nato states on continous training. visit cnn for details.
now russia has been massing 40,000+ troops on e.ukraine border for some time, if they r now putting some of those or aditonal troops to the north, i bet its in response to americas move.
America said yesterday it would deploy hardware & troops to e.european nato states on continous training. visit cnn for details.
now russia has been massing 40,000+ troops on e.ukraine border for some time, if they r now putting some of those or aditonal troops to the north, i bet its in response to americas move.
America said yesterday it would deploy hardware & troops to e.european nato states on continous training. visit cnn for details.
now russia has been massing 40,000+ troops on e.ukraine border for some time, if they r now putting some of those or aditonal troops to the north, i bet its in response to americas move.
its like a chess game.
all u need to remember is-
USA=good
Russia=bad
NATO states, yes. But that is in the absolute certainty that Russia will not mess militarily with NATO states.
Just as Russia acts in the absolute certainty that NATO will not mess militarily in any part of the Ukraine. They will make a lot of noise in protest, but any sanctions will only be token gestures. Putin knows all the above, so does Obama.
It's a theatrical stand off. Each side knows that the other will not cross respective red lines.
It's a matter of when, not if Russia will invade the eastern part of Ukraine. Perhaps they are waiting until the Ukranian elections next month to make their move.
I have thought all along they would wait until then.
I wouldn't be surprised however if they didn't.
Let's not kid ourselves, Russia have already invaded Eastern Ukraine. There are obviously more than a few military teams on the ground in Ukraine stirring the shit. More than likely they're teams of Spetsnaz GRU working alongside SVR operators.
Just because tanks haven't rolled across the border and there aren't swarms of VDV troops parachuting in doesn't mean the invasion hasn't already started.
LOL......that's good old fashioned western indoctrination! I trust your remark is very much tongue in cheek? ;-)
America doesn't often do humour particularly well and even less, self deprecating humour. But there was a brilliant exception via a Hanna Barbera cartoon serious from the 70's called "Wait Till Your Father Gets Home".
Never been repeated on UK television and difficult to find just one full episode on YouTube, but is available on DVD.
indeed, our british humour, or some parts dont translate well, no harm intended!
If you view that cartoon you will see what i mean. Ralph the neighbour is really 'the star'. Obsessed about 'commie infiltrators' he runs his own group of vigilantes and anyone who disagrees with him is 'a subversive'! I think the reason it's never been repeated is it would be seen as too non-pc today as Ralph also holds extreme right wing racist views!
prediction, if putin rushes forces into ukraine nato will have to b ready to scramble forces to the nato borders, in case putin heads for those same borders, could we trust him to stop there? or maybe putin will employ similar similar methods to what we have seen before, take e.ukraine, pause, go a bit further, pause, take west ukraine. then maldova...
at least it will give us more time to react, but react we will, u can be sure of it.
Let's not kid ourselves, Russia have already invaded Eastern Ukraine. There are obviously more than a few military teams on the ground in Ukraine stirring the shit. More than likely they're teams of Spetsnaz GRU working alongside SVR operators.
Just because tanks haven't rolled across the border and there aren't swarms of VDV troops parachuting in doesn't mean the invasion hasn't already started.
Anyone with half a brain and who has read a little about the current situation knows that the above is pretty true.
It's patently obvious that Russia has been plying Eastern Ukraine with propaganda since the Maidan incidents in Kiev, insinuating that they are not safe when that is obviously untrue.
The Russians are content to play the waiting game. The Russian control over industries, communications, and infrastructure will increase gradually. By the time it's completed the West may have lost interest and moved onto other things ... which may take years. Unless of course the provcation works and there's a bloodbath. Then Putin can expedite the process. It's a fait accompli. That's the reality. Western leaders can scramble for ways to save face or flail away for some token concessions but that's about the extent of it. The West has little leverage and Putin is much more willing to gamble on this.
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Should Russia have stopped talking and acted to stop NATO each time they used military force on other countries who are having internal problems with separatists? Putin can claim that the situation is a civilian uprising and that when Kiev threatened to use the military on civilian protesters inside government buildings they crossed a line and then he is in the same position that NATO has frequently been in where an invasion has a faked sense of legitimacy.
What sort of action do you recommend ?
I think it was considered for the first wave of sanctions but they didn't want to get their wives worked up just in case
What about our own propaganda? Or do you think that's something only the East indulge?
Transnistria has historical connections to Russia in that years ago it was part of the Russian Empire. Many citizens hold multi-citizenship....Moldovan, Russian, Ukraine and there are still border disputes in some parts of Transnistria with Moldova. Since it's declaration of independence almost twenty five years ago, i doubt many people even knew of it's existence, let alone it's geographical location. Certainly few knew of it until recent political events.
Despite being a Republic with it's own elected President it remains an unrecognised state by the UN.
Sometimes it helps to look at both sides of the table instead of just one and maybe turn them around to see from 'the other side'. With some politicians in the West calling for Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia to be brought into NATO, and US missile bases long established on the eastern border of Poland, it's easy to see why Putin is rattling his sabre too.
Ukraine meanwhile has debt mounting into the billions. Whilst Putin promised financial aid, the West promised sanctions against Russia.
Ukraine may well cut off supplies of gas, electric and water to Crimea which in turn would then provoke Putin into stopping all imports from Ukraine and cut their supply of gas and oil to them......not to mention asking for their debts to be paid.
Is the West prepared to finance that?
now russia has been massing 40,000+ troops on e.ukraine border for some time, if they r now putting some of those or aditonal troops to the north, i bet its in response to americas move.
its like a chess game.
all u need to remember is-
USA=good
Russia=bad
Why?
NATO states, yes. But that is in the absolute certainty that Russia will not mess militarily with NATO states.
Just as Russia acts in the absolute certainty that NATO will not mess militarily in any part of the Ukraine. They will make a lot of noise in protest, but any sanctions will only be token gestures. Putin knows all the above, so does Obama.
It's a theatrical stand off. Each side knows that the other will not cross respective red lines.
that works unless putin thinks he can get away with more or some how thinks the west wont do anything no matter what he does.
I have thought all along they would wait until then.
I wouldn't be surprised however if they didn't.
Just because tanks haven't rolled across the border and there aren't swarms of VDV troops parachuting in doesn't mean the invasion hasn't already started.
America doesn't often do humour particularly well and even less, self deprecating humour. But there was a brilliant exception via a Hanna Barbera cartoon serious from the 70's called "Wait Till Your Father Gets Home".
Never been repeated on UK television and difficult to find just one full episode on YouTube, but is available on DVD.
A real gem!
wouldnt b suprised if russia invades on the strength of that by morning (uk time).
as far as sanctions r concerned, if russia does enter ukraine proper, all bets r off.
at least it will give us more time to react, but react we will, u can be sure of it.
Anyone with half a brain and who has read a little about the current situation knows that the above is pretty true.
It's patently obvious that Russia has been plying Eastern Ukraine with propaganda since the Maidan incidents in Kiev, insinuating that they are not safe when that is obviously untrue.