2014 Men's World Curling Championships

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As we say bye bye and congratulations to the giggling Swiss women - it's over to the men!
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http://wmcc2014.curlingevents.com/schedule

Rubbish time differences with it being in China, but at least the SCO/CAN youtube game is on in the morning.
Some games on Eurosport - but only the main channel confirmed. No news of what's on player. Also no indication if there is youtube blocking here, or whether games not shown live on E/S will be available on youtube.

All very messy, a bit like a pair of Norwegian Pants.
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  • Mark FMark F Posts: 53,851
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    Are teams fielding weaken sides like some of the ladies did?
  • taurus_67taurus_67 Posts: 6,950
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    No team team Murdoch/Brewster from Scotland; No defending champions Team Edin from Sweden and no Olympic champion Team Jacobs from Canada.

    I suppose Simmons from Canada will be the favourite; Ulstrud will want a big tournament after missing an Olympic medal and the Swiss, Swedes, Danes and China (after a great Olympics and on home ice) will all be looking to medal.

    I have absolutely no idea what to expect from Scotland here. We knew Kerry Barr would be stepping up a level and might struggle for wins, but Ewen Macdonald has plenty of experience (he's even skipped Team Ulsrud to a Norwegian championship) so this is a challenge he's capable of taking on. I guess he'll be disappointed if he doesn't make the play-offs.
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    Waiting over - now started and happily Curlit are covering the shot-by-shot scores http://wmcc.curlit.com/ for games not on telly.

    SCO lost to SWE 8 - - 4 and lie 0 - 1
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    howard h wrote: »
    Waiting over - now started and happily Curlit are covering the shot-by-shot scores http://wmcc.curlit.com/ for games not on telly.

    SCO lost to SWE 8 - - 4 and lie 0 - 1

    Not going well for the Scottish men - they lost to China early this morning albeit in a close game and are now 6-2 down to Japan with 3 ends to go.

    Currently bottom of the table. The only good news is that this has no implications for the future - as there are no Olympics qualification points at stake this year and qualification for next years worlds is dependent on performance at the Europeans.

    Still they may turn it around!
  • taurus_67taurus_67 Posts: 6,950
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    Another loss to Japan; never really troubled them at all. Japan are actually playing quite well after beating Canada. Scotland now 0-3 and even after just two days it's going to be very difficult now to get into the play-offs.
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    Now 1 and 3.
  • Drew PeacockDrew Peacock Posts: 12,164
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    Lucky Scotland. The Swiss skip had a free hit in the 10th to remove a Scottish stone and make it impossible for Scotland to score three and tie the game only for his stone to pick and sail through the house. Apparently the Swiss team were already celebrating as the stone crossed the hogline before it picked. Switzerland still had the hammer in the extra end but Benoit, having to draw to the button to win fell well short. Braveheart. ;-)
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    Lucky Scotland. The Swiss skip had a free hit in the 10th to remove a Scottish stone and make it impossible for Scotland to score three and tie the game only for his stone to pick and sail through the house. Apparently the Swiss team were already celebrating as the stone crossed the hogline before it picked. Switzerland still had the hammer in the extra end but Benoit, having to draw to the button to win fell well short. Braveheart. ;-)

    Sadly they lost to Denmark earlier 7-6 - and now sit bottom of the table (well its done in alphabetical order!) at 1 win to 4 losses. So they basically have no chance of a play off place now given they still have to play Canada and Norway.

    Just hope they win a few more matches - as after the performance of the women the decision to exclude our Olympians from the Scottish championships will have looked like a very bad one by the RCCC.
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Sadly they lost to Denmark earlier 7-6 - and now sit bottom of the table (well its done in alphabetical order!) at 1 win to 4 losses. So they basically have no chance of a play off place now given they still have to play Canada and Norway.

    Just hope they win a few more matches - as after the performance of the women the decision to exclude our Olympians from the Scottish championships will have looked like a very bad one by the RCCC.

    It was a pretty bad decision anyway, but I thought at least for the men's there was more strength below our top team than the women's. Apparantly not, so I hope the RCCC will look at this and note that Scottish Curling Isn't As Good As They Thought It Was and will spend some time and money improving those rinks behind Brewsdoch/Muirhead.
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    Scotland seemed to be in charge of the Denmark match and should have scored a 2 in the 7th end to lead 7-4. One Scottish stone in the house and Ewan Macdonald just needed to put his first stone on the other side of house, instead he was heavy and it went through and he was forced to blank the end.

    So are the performances of Team Barr and Team Macdonald at their respective World Championships a vindication or an indictment of the elite group selection process? ;-) Are they also scheduled to represent Scotland at the European Championships as is usually the case as Scottish Champions?

    Speaking of strength in depth, Team Muirhead lost to the third string Swiss team in the final of the Prairie Showdown in Alberta.
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    Speaking of strength in depth, Team Muirhead lost to the third string Swiss team in the final of the Prairie Showdown in Alberta.

    To be fair, the Swiss women have (at least?) three rinks that could give anyone a game, and other than Canada they are probably the strongest nation depth-wise. They won the world's and Ott was nowhere near!
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    howard h wrote: »
    To be fair, the Swiss women have (at least?) three rinks that could give anyone a game, and other than Canada they are probably the strongest nation depth-wise. They won the world's and Ott was nowhere near!

    I believe the majority of Swiss players also have full-time jobs which makes their achievements even more impressive. That's why questions of Dave Murdoch retiring were nonsense as it would mean he'd have to get a proper job. ;-) Thomas Ulsrud said after the Olympics that his team (2 of whom also work full-time) received a twentieth of the financial support Scotland/GB receive.
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    Quick glance at the tables show Scotland 2 and 4 this morning. Great triple take-out by McDonald in the 9th sets up a three and virtually sealed the game. But even a tie-break spot looks very unlikely - they're gonna have to go some and beat some good teams to have any chance.
  • Mark FMark F Posts: 53,851
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    Japan seem to be the surprise package so far.

    Norway, Canada, Switzerland are the top 3 ATM.
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    howard h wrote: »
    Quick glance at the tables show Scotland 2 and 4 this morning. Great triple take-out by McDonald in the 9th sets up a three and virtually sealed the game. But even a tie-break spot looks very unlikely - they're gonna have to go some and beat some good teams to have any chance.

    Their final 3 matches are against Norway, Canada and Russia – so I can only see one more win for them. Russia are currently propping up the table – so if Scotland don’t beat them they could well finish 12 and last.

    Quite a come down from Sochi.

    It will be interesting to see who is picked for the Europeans for Scotland at the end of the year – as that determines qualification for next years worlds. Tradition says it’s the Scottish champions – but methinks after what has happened over the last two weeks Muirhead and Murdoch/Brewster may be drafted in.
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Their final 3 matches are against Norway, Canada and Russia – so I can only see one more win for them. Russia are currently propping up the table – so if Scotland don’t beat them they could well finish 12 and last.

    Quite a come down from Sochi.

    It will be interesting to see who is picked for the Europeans for Scotland at the end of the year – as that determines qualification for next years worlds. Tradition says it’s the Scottish champions – but methinks after what has happened over the last two weeks Muirhead and Murdoch/Brewster may be drafted in.

    Or the senario could (but won't!) be Scotland relegated and replaced by England @ the Euros, never mind points for the worlds! (I think McDonald's rink is good enough to get top 4 @ Euros, but anything can happen...)

    Basically, where will Brewster and Murdoch be come August/September? Still together? Murdoch leaving and possibly joining McDonald?

    But you can be sure if McDnald ends up @ the Euros, Murdoch or Brewster will be on the bench, at least.
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    howard h wrote: »
    Or the senario could (but won't!) be Scotland relegated and replaced by England @ the Euros, never mind points for the worlds! (I think McDonald's rink is good enough to get top 4 @ Euros, but anything can happen...)

    Basically, where will Brewster and Murdoch be come August/September? Still together? Murdoch leaving and possibly joining McDonald?

    But you can be sure if McDnald ends up @ the Euros, Murdoch or Brewster will be on the bench, at least.

    Scotland will automatically play in this years European championships A division - with the top teams advancing to the 2015 worlds. So a weak Scottish performance could see them miss out on the worlds next year - which won't directly however on the Sochi rules offer qualification points for the 2018 Olympics (only the 2016 and 2017 worlds will).

    However the bottom team(s) in the A division can be relegated to division B at the Europeans for 2015 - and potentially reduce (albeit not eliminate as there is a play off I believe) their chances of making the 2016 worlds This then really hits Olympic qualification chances - although at worst (as a result of competing this year in the worlds) they will be eligible for the Olympics qualifying event likely to take place in December 2017 for those nations who didn't get direct entry based on the 2016 and 2017 worlds performance.

    Nothing that happened in this years worlds affects anything moving forward - but in the future it could!

    http://corporate.olympics.com.au/files/dmfile/WCF_Curling_Sochi2014_QualSystems_Dec2011_Web.pdf

    In the end its up to the RCCC - but they must be a little worried given Barr and MacDonald's performances.
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Scotland will automatically play in this years European championships A division - with the top teams advancing to the 2015 worlds. So a weak Scottish performance could see them miss out on the worlds next year - which won't directly however on the Sochi rules offer qualification points for the 2018 Olympics (only the 2016 and 2017 worlds will).

    However the bottom team(s) in the A division can be relegated to division B at the Europeans for 2015 - and potentially reduce (albeit not eliminate as there is a play off I believe) their chances of making the 2016 worlds This then really hits Olympic qualification chances - although at worst (as a result of competing this year in the worlds) they will be eligible for the Olympics qualifying event likely to take place in December 2017 for those nations who didn't get direct entry based on the 2016 and 2017 worlds performance.

    Nothing that happened in this years worlds affects anything moving forward - but in the future it could!

    http://corporate.olympics.com.au/files/dmfile/WCF_Curling_Sochi2014_QualSystems_Dec2011_Web.pdf

    In the end its up to the RCCC - but they must be a little worried given Barr and MacDonald's performances.
    Barr is arguably below Fleming, it was only due to losing that one-off final that Fleming didn't get to the Worlds (as her own rink) so maybe we have less to worry about with the women than men. But I think McDonald is capable of much better than these results show - maybe he's simply out of touch as he hasn't been in a major for some time (think he, Murdoch, Smith, Byers were a World/Euro challenging rink some 4 years ago?)
  • Mark FMark F Posts: 53,851
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    Scots beat Russia.

    Got to beat Canada and Germany to stand a chance of reaching the semi finals really.
  • taurus_67taurus_67 Posts: 6,950
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    Well with a loss to Canada and a tonking from Germany Scotland finish in 9th with a 3-8 record. I'm sure it's a week they'll want to forget about.

    Ulsrud looking very good to make up for his Olympic disappointment, and Japan still have a tie-break chance against Sweden for a play-off spot; they upped their game in front of a Chinese crowd lol.
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    taurus_67 wrote: »
    Well with a loss to Canada and a tonking from Germany Scotland finish in 9th with a 3-8 record. I'm sure it's a week they'll want to forget about.

    Ulsrud looking very good to make up for his Olympic disappointment, and Japan still have a tie-break chance against Sweden for a play-off spot; they upped their game in front of a Chinese crowd lol.

    Well it could have been worse - Scotland finished 9th when it was looking like they could finish 12th and last two days ago.

    The Sweden vs Japan play off is in the early hours - their skips both look about 12 so you would be forgiven for thinking its the world juniors.:D

    I expect a Canada vs Norway final - but we shall see. Still plenty of eurosport coverage - with the semi final and final live on Saturday and Sunday morning (lucky time wise so it misses the Davis cup tennis).

    And I think that is it for curling on UK tv for another season:cry: - not withstanding the probable on line coverage of the world seniors and mixed event in Dumfries later in the month.
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »

    And I think that is it for curling on UK tv for another season:cry: - not withstanding the probable on line coverage of the world seniors and mixed event in Dumfries later in the month.
    And, next weekend, the Curling Champions Tour finals from St Gallen!
    Web coverage either by laola1 or https://www.youtube.com/user/curlingchampionstour (don'tcha wish everything was in one place....)
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    So we have a Sweden vs Norway final tomorrow as the Canadians lost both playoff matches.

    Should be an interesting tussle between the Norwegian stalwarts and the Swedish youngsters.

    Does throw up some interesting challenges in the future for the Swedish selectors. Do they put out Team Edin or Team Eriksson or more fairly just let them play off to decide who gives to each tournament. Cos through really have strength in depth.

    We could find simething similar with Hannah Fleming vs Eve Muirhead.
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    So we have a Sweden vs Norway final tomorrow as the Canadians lost both playoff matches.

    Should be an interesting tussle between the Norwegian stalwarts and the Swedish youngsters.

    Does throw up some interesting challenges in the future for the Swedish selectors. Do they put out Team Edin or Team Eriksson or more fairly just let them play off to decide who gives to each tournament. Cos through really have strength in depth.

    We could find simething similar with Hannah Fleming vs Eve Muirhead.

    They're frighteningly good!

    It does leave a dilemma for the Swedish selectors, but with World and European curling being so strong, you could enter two teams from many countries (a bit like Bob where they have GBR1 and GBR2) and make it two groups of, say, 8 with semi's of 1 v 2 and 2 v 1 and keep doubled countries apart till then.

    Mind you, Canada could enter 4 in mens and womens, easily....
  • taurus_67taurus_67 Posts: 6,950
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    Uisrud finally gets his big Gold medal. Pleased for him :)

    No medal for Canada after being defeated by three European teams in a row!
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