Jobcentres DO set targets for benefit sanctions
gavinfarrelly
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/21/jobcentre-set-targets-benefit-sanctions
So despite people on here claiming time and time again that there are no targets, only the very worst offenders are sanctioned, etc etc...it turns out that all along there have been targets and staff hunting for reasons to stop peoples benefit money.
Personally I think this is absolutely disgusting. Looking for reasons to leave someone destitute with nothing at all for weeks on end, just to save a little bit of cash.
I know a few have absolutely no sympathy for those on benefits...but many people are there through no fault of their own. Imagine having your safety net removed, have no heating or electric or food, possibly lose your home, just to save the government a few quid a week. This is disgraceful. I doubt any reasonable person would disagree.
This part in particular is shocking
DWP trying to say they know nothing about this, its being investigated, and its a one off incident. Yeah, ok. With the massive numbers of people who have been sanctioned in the past few years, I really doubt they all did something so wrong that they deserved no income at all :rolleyes:
So despite people on here claiming time and time again that there are no targets, only the very worst offenders are sanctioned, etc etc...it turns out that all along there have been targets and staff hunting for reasons to stop peoples benefit money.
Personally I think this is absolutely disgusting. Looking for reasons to leave someone destitute with nothing at all for weeks on end, just to save a little bit of cash.
I know a few have absolutely no sympathy for those on benefits...but many people are there through no fault of their own. Imagine having your safety net removed, have no heating or electric or food, possibly lose your home, just to save the government a few quid a week. This is disgraceful. I doubt any reasonable person would disagree.
This part in particular is shocking
listen for telltale phrases 'I pick up the kids', 'I look after my neighbours children/my grandchildren' or just 'I am busy' – all of which suggest that the customer may not be fully available for work, even cases where a parent shares custody can be considered."
DWP trying to say they know nothing about this, its being investigated, and its a one off incident. Yeah, ok. With the massive numbers of people who have been sanctioned in the past few years, I really doubt they all did something so wrong that they deserved no income at all :rolleyes:
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I think the welfare state as we know it is pretty much over. Unless you are seriously disabled, don't really expect anything. There just isn't anymore money to give even though most people in society and government would prefer to maintain the status quo. Can't give you money if there isn't any. Those who are in it should make arrangements to seek help from family or friends or do any work necessary to survive. The new world is summarized as follows: You don't work, You don't eat.
I'm pretty sure this is a pisstake post, but just incase its not..being sanctioned for that I would understand. As clearly he wasnt available for work during a holiday.
Either way, it doesnt really have much to do with the OP tbh.
Put your fishing rod away mart.
Morning.
There is money, If the goverment want the welfare bill to come down, then deal with the reason why so many people in work need benefits, untill that is sorted the benefit bill will keep riseing, more people in work claim benefits than people out of work.
In your view, should everyone pay tax purely to have it handed to private business?
Anything to do with public services, including health, welfare and education should be ring-fenced in this country. Savings should be sought elsewhere.
People are encouraged by WP providers to take low-paying jobs because of the benefits that they can claim once they have the job so it's all nonsensical and contrary
It's in fact a true story. He brought forward his Monday meeting to the previous Friday and thought he was free for a week, but then the jobsworth wanted to arrange a meeting the week he was away. After he rejected two meetings he was asked if he was out of the country and he said he was so he lost his £71.
But the DWP have form for this and lying about it too. They have targets for ESA claims but until anyone can find a paper trail nothing will happen.
I'd let it drop if I were you, because you don't want them to become even more spiteful and find an excuse to stop your money. Easier said than done, I know.
It cannot be ring fenced as they are the greatest expenditures!
But not at all relevant to the issue of underhand sanctions to save money. I'm sure your friend was crying in to his kir over it though.
You clearly are still not paying attention:
1) 'Welfare' as many like to call it is a fraction of our governments spending.
2) We are not as 'skint' as the government is making out.
What sort of world do you see in the next five to ten years?
Could you honestly see people starving and living on the street and have no feeling or conscience about it?
Everyone is paying tax to hand it over to the government for them to engage in wealth redistribution.
So tax is purely a mechanism for wealth redistribution is it?
Where do you get that notion from? Any links about it and it's success rate? How is the success of it measured and what criteria is used to either increase it or decrease it?
EUR 54 for two coffees and 2 bits of cake would you believe? That's something you should have paid for out of your taxes!
You're right, he could have used it to pay that, freedom of choice and liberty...warts and all.
I wouldn't have thought taking that attitude with them is really going to help your case.
This is an emotional argument used by socialists. It is neither based on logic or economics. Bottom line: Nobody in this world wants to see people suffer unless you are some kind of sadist.
However the way you think you are "helping" people out of poverty and misery by simply giving them a handout or asking the government to find them jobs, food, shelter or whatnot goes against every gain of economic knowledge & wisdom that humanity has acquired since the time of Adam Smith. In fact, you rob them of their aspirations and their dreams in exchange for the pittance of a welfare payment. It is the most soul-destroying force in the world. Nobody should ever relent against the combat of such evil.
Human nature is the same throughout all cultures and ages. Ultimately, people empower people. Governments do not.
Making waves will only make them determined to screw you. Won't get you anywhere. Play along and they may leave you to get on with things.
Fcuk it, they were wrong and I'm going to tell them. If one person says it then they'll know not to push around and bully others. It was just coincidence this came up when it did but if you are right, you should fight your corner and if you are right and believe in yourself then you will win.
I know they're going to leave me alone for a little while now any way because one of them gave me someone's signing on book by mistake aswell as my own and I got on the bus with it before I realised. But I will print that article and if they try it on again, out it'll come. Or I might just put it in with my screen print outs.
Like most things the answer is somewhere in the middle and there are no quick and easy fixes
It all starts with education or even before that in the home but sadly many kids do not have the privileges of a loving and supportive family and get off to a far more difficult start
We can not go back to square one and pretend this has not happened, these youngsters will sometimes catch up in the school system but those who dont may arrive at the end of this stage with limited intellectual, emptional and other skills, they are simply not ready for the work environment
I am passionate in believing that it is possible fopr almost anyone to change and grow but I do not believe this happens without support and patience, the sort which many of us grew up with at home.
What I am saying is a little more understanding and investment of time and effort would go a long way, it will not help everyone but it would make a real difference.
As has already been said, the only person who is going to suffer by taking that sort of attitude with them is yourself.