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Hollyoaks general discussion (Part 15)
I thought the Kane family was brilliant last night and Martha is one of my favorite characters now. Nice to see a more mature character being used.
I agree that SLs are too drawn out. Lost interest in Walker,Ally and who killed Lynsey now.
Scott and Annalise's break up was far too rushed.
I'm keeping an open mind about a posible Rhys/Cindy affair. At least four of the best characters/actors would be used and I always preferred Tony/Jacqui to Jacqui/Rhys.
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It wasn't that long ago that Ste was going to stop Amy leaving with the kids. This time around he's not going to stop her???
Brendan (IMO) is a shadow of his former self. He was amazing last year, especially through the Ste storyline and when he was taking on Silas. Now, he's just paling in comparison. I like Walker with him but then im genuinely confused by that relationship. I might have missed an episode or two that explained it but why has Walker gone from being sneaky towards Brendan, to kissing him, back to being sneaky, to helping him and then being sneaky?
I personally, and i hope i dont get flamed for this, was pleased that Lynsey left when she did because she was just beginning to irritate me. I loved her exit; it shocked me completely but i feel like what has come after has been terrible. I get that they wanted to maybe give the Savage's something meatier but having Will as the main suspect has fallen flat completely, judging by the reactions on here and on other sites. He/Texas/Ash and Dodger just couldnt carry the storyline.
Ally is confusing me as well. I dont trust him and whilst im normally all for mysterious characters, they seem to not know what they are doing with him. He's gone from being as interesting as a plank of wood to having this "woman helping" take on life, but obviously has a dark secret because of when he paid that stripper to keep his secret. I wouldnt mind his character if they were revealing little things about him here and there but to have him going from detesting Will to believing him 100% because Ash says he is innocent is just odd to me.
Why they continue to feature all of the teens i will never know. I have to admit, i enjoyed this years Abersoch week, and i finally found a moment in time where Maddie didnt irritate me. They have a couple of teens that could be interesting. Keep Maddie/Esther/George/Sinead/Bart and Ruby, get rid of Neil, Jono and Tilly and show them as singular characters that dont rely on Maddie to give them storylines. Oh and please, keep Phoebe, Lacey and Callum away from that group!
Im loving the Kane's though. I have found them all to be convincing, i feel sorry for them and i think that Martha has been a brilliant addition to the show. I genuinely care what happens to them and it is nice to see them working as a family unit to get over her alcoholism. No massive dramatic twists, just pure character development.
I dont even want to comment on Amy's exit. I think its such a shame that someone who has been there for that long and featured in one of the shows most remembered storylines has such a low key exit.
And if Cindy and Rhys have an affair, i think i may have to stop watching for a short while. I like both characters but what purpose does it serve to have Rhys cheating on Jaqui after everything they went through? It serves no purpose at all.
RANT OVER, i feel better haha.
Despite the above being an underlying problem for the show, the content itself is still of a pretty good standard. There's good acting, there's good writing, there're good uses of camerawork, music and editing styles within the episodes.
Actual enjoyment of the show is dependant on your own expectations. It was amusing to read people almost exploding in dispair about how unrealistic Silas' escape from the hospital was. Yet everyone loved him talking to Lynsey's ghost in the mortuary without even a murmer of, 'That would never happen in real life! Tut!'
Talking of change, they have changed too many characters from being bitchy to nice (Ruby) from villian to vulnerable (Brendan) from lad about town to uncaring casanova (Riley) from straight to gay (Doug). Most of the remaining cast are hardly seen at all apart from the ever present McQueens.
There are so many SLs that need to be concluded for the sake of justice and our sanity (Especially Mercedes and Mitzeee. Somehow I can't see Mercedes paying for what she has done as she is such a big character in the show)
Couples get together off screen, others get together on screen and then are mostly ignored in their relationships.
HO don't seem to be able to find a happy medium with the length of the SLs. It just gives the impression that they come up with an idea and go with it and rush the writing to create more drama, or drag it out.
I obviously missed them. I saw general good reception for the 'ghost' Lynsey scene. My point was more that artistic licence within the show is accepted sometimes but not always.
That's funnily what I find to be the juxtaposition, though (< a shameless excuse to use the word 'juxtapostion').
Minor strays from reality - how Silas was allowed to escape from hospital and get to Texas - recieve a stream of derision, while wild running into pure fantasy - Lynsey's ghost talking to Silas - are accepted more readily in the context of it being a TV show.
Take the special christmas episode with Doug at the end of last year. The biggest issue that most people seemed to have was that he had a christmas dinner so soon after attempting suicide. That Steph returned in the form of an angel and told him how he could find the song she recorded for Frankie didnt apparently hit the 'reality' nerve as much.
While I'm on it, I think there's a difference between attempting suicide and seriously thinking about it doing it. As far as I can tell, Doug didn't actually jump from the bridge so technically did not 'attempt' suicide. Doug went to the bridge and sat on the rail, but beyond that point the episode was a fantasy bubble separate from the main show. On the occasions he's mentioned it - to Ste and Lynsey - he's only spoken about being on the bridge, but nothing about actually jumping. He seriously thought about doing it but didn't go through with an actual attempt.
He did jump. He was pulled out and revived by paramedics.
That was within the 'bubble'. Everything beyond the point of him sitting on the rail to the end of the episode didn't actually happen.
Part of Hollyoaks problems is the quick turn around of series producers., each with their own ideas. Also there is the amount of time needed to turn things around under that person if they are appointed. Even then what's the assurance the new person would work out.
Surely Doug did actually jump?
I thought the fantasy 'bubble' of Angel Steph's appearance, the alternative reality, etc, was what happened while he was in the between-life-and-death stage and being revived by the paramedics?
No, he jumped, the 'bubble' happened, ended, then he was revived and ran through the village, soaking wet, and invited everyone to dinner.
Your favourite character (presumably?) featuring in every scene of the episode? Isn't that a good thing?
It is for me, anyway, as I think Brendan awesome (and Emmett Scanlan a wonderful actor) and I think it's fantastic news!
(ps I am being a bit tongue-in-cheek, no need to explain the reason for your annoyance
When he's talked about it since, he's only ever said about going to and being on the bridge. He's never spoken about actually jumping or being rescued and revived.
My understanding is that, bar the beginning, the episode was separate from the 'reality' of the storyline.
He may not have spoken of it to anyone (because it was a self-contained episode, and it doesn't appear to be important in HOs world that any of his friends knew what he was going through). But we saw what happened onscreen clearly enough, so - it happened!
Like I said not the most interesting but I can pray they split Sinead and Bart up, I dislike Bart and prefer Sinead away from him, will make her more bearable
Thanks LemonadeMan. I was starting to wonder if I'd been watching the same programme. The guy definitely jumped.
I can't blame Ashley if she chose to leave, she has had hardly any time on screen. I imagine that with her relationship with Ally she expected more air time.
The writers had to come up with something quickly as they have done with Scott. At least they are leaving the door open.
I think Walker put it there to keep up the idea that Sampson murdered Lynsey and is threatening Cheryl. I don't think Walker killed Lynsey and think he knows it wasn't Sampson either but he seems very keen to have Brendan think it is. Why, though, we'll have to wait and see.
So who rescued him?
Ok, if it's confirmed he jumped I'll take it like a real woman and concede I was wrong.