Options
Will we see Matt Smith regenerate into John Hurt
roland rat
Posts: 13,829 Forum Member
✭✭
So we know john hurt is going to play the doctor in the 50th anniversary show, but how is this going to happen
I think we will se a regeneration, and john hurt will appear in front of clara, clara will know something is wrong, and run
Now the next bit will be interesting to see how it happens, how does matt smith doctor get back, and of course david tenant, seeing rose is involved I think she will be the one to call the previous doctors back
I think we will se a regeneration, and john hurt will appear in front of clara, clara will know something is wrong, and run
Now the next bit will be interesting to see how it happens, how does matt smith doctor get back, and of course david tenant, seeing rose is involved I think she will be the one to call the previous doctors back
0
Comments
The Hurt Doctor quite clearly comes from the past, because he is a secret the eleventh Doctor is keeping.
I don't know how you watched his introduction, and came away with the idea he's the next Doctor.
As said above, it seems unlikely that JH could be a future Doctor as 11 refers to him as something he was already aware of. And neither can he realistically be a past Doctor, as Clara encountered all the past incarnations of the Doctor and she didn't recognise JH, plus he featured in 11's memory.
Seeing as though the 50th will
Nope there is nothing to suggest he is from the Doctor's past, he could quite easily be the Valeyard who according to the Master was the Doctor's penultimate (12th) regeneration apparently (as I have said else where I haven't seen the Trial of the Time Lord yet so cannot comment for certain but I am aware of this).
Except from when The 11th Doctor said "He was me" and "He was the only one to brake the promise"
Both used in past tense
Nothing except for the actual words used by Hurt and Eleven.
As James Frederick points out above, past tense is used.
And why would the Doctor, who made it clear knowing his own future is dangerous and paradoxical, know so much about and be keeping secret an incarnation he hasn't been yet!
Seriously, it's blatantly spelt out that he is from the Doctor's past, not his future.
And no, 'Trial' does not tell us the Valeyard is the twelfth Doctor. It tells us that he is a distillation of all that is dark and evil in the Doctor, a potential penultimate Doctor. His whole motivation in 'Trial' is his desire to exist by replacing the Doctor.
Which ignores a) the Doctor making it clear that Hurt Doctor was/is him; and b) the Doctor noting that, Clara aside, this is his timestream, so everything in it is actually him.
Which is the point. Clara didn't see him, but he is the Doctor. Which means that somehow the Doctor removed all evidence of his existence, keeping him secret.
But if the Doctor identifies Hurt as being him, and he's in the Doctor's timestream, then there's no question that he is the Doctor, albeit not in name.
Any theory about him has to take into account Eleven's acknowledgement of who he is.
No one has said he is playing Nine. All Hurt said was that he was playing the Doctor.
It could be two things.
1. Hurt is a replacement for Eccleston doctor.
2. Hurts doctor wont exist after the story is over. What if he was created either by the AI or clara saved McGanns doctor at the time war she wasent supposed to so they need the tenth doctor to retify this evil doctor so he doesnt exist.
He's not an actual incarnation of the Doctor
Ooooh, I would LOVE that!:):) I really, really would.
And, no disrespect to John Hurt (because I think he is a really good actor and gorgeous, too
It seems to be the case that the title of "Doctor" has become such an integral part of the Doctor's identity that the incarnation who broke the promise implied by the title has become, in the Doctor's mind, virtually a separate individual.
No one has ever said John Hurt is playing the 9th Doctor; the man himself just said he was playing "part of the Doctor in a kind of trinity." However the idea of him playing the incarnation between Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston makes sense to me.
Absolutely; he has been bad a lot of the time throughout the programme.
It's explicitly clear that Eleven knows who this new Doctor is, which is clearly intended to imply that he's a past incarnation - but it doesn't absolutely rule out the Valeyard, given that Six learned all about him, which is in Eleven's past too.
Really? I think everything and every word in that final scene suggested he is from the Doctor's past!
Exactly they couldn't have made it more obvious if they had a big neon sign saying "Past Doctor" pointing down to him and a The worlds biggest Choir singing "He's A Past Doctor "
Although...the Moff lies!
And so does the Doctor (as he has said time and time again
Very true
But why would The Doctor lie in this situation surly it's worse to say that was me rather than will or in the terms of Doctor Who may one day be me.
Plus if they have to go against him then Clara ect would need all the real info he could give them
Good point but what would he be lying about in this case and why would he lie! It makes no sense.
Also, some of the most interesting dialogue was between him and JH, Clara had passed out!
I don't think that he 'quite clearly comes from the past' when you consider that this is a show about time travel.
Why couldn't the Doctor meet him in the past after the John Hurt character had traveled back to the past from the future?
The Doctor first met Captain Jack Harkness in his own past, but Captain Jack Harkness came from the 51st Century.
Because The Doctor said "He was me" if it was a future Doctor he would have said "He will be me"
True. Fair enough.:D
Precisely my point validating what I am getting at. The Doctor has encountered the Valeyard before and therefore even though he is in his future he still knows who he is. Also the comment does not rule out him being a future incarnation because remember that the Doctor is very clever and would have been able to make such deductions based solely on what John Hurt said to him. But I agree that the only possible way this is a future Doctor is if it is the Valeyard but nowhere have I denied this. The use of the past tense is more or less meaningless in timetravel the events of the Valeyard have happened already even if the Docotor hasn't lived them yet and so the past tense can be used ergo I stick by my original comment. Had the Doctor given his speech to Clara before Hurt's Doctor had said what he did I would agree but because it is after I stand by what I said.