John says Bonnie's performances "are not skating" How VERY dare he?
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:mad: John said in yesterdays sun "bonnie is a good girl,and does her stuff,but its not realy skating"
Firstly as a frequent watcher of proffesional skating in competitions ect: i can confirm that bonnie's performances are the closest thing to a proper "ice dance" performance.
In ice dancing the routine is mainly made up of lifts and jump's,the only skating that is usually included in a routine is to gain momentum,in run up to lifts and is step sequences.
The other's do far more normal skating than bonnie and that why bonnie is nearly always the top choice with the judges!
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HOW VERY DARE HE?
Firstly as a frequent watcher of proffesional skating in competitions ect: i can confirm that bonnie's performances are the closest thing to a proper "ice dance" performance.
In ice dancing the routine is mainly made up of lifts and jump's,the only skating that is usually included in a routine is to gain momentum,in run up to lifts and is step sequences.
The other's do far more normal skating than bonnie and that why bonnie is nearly always the top choice with the judges!
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HOW VERY DARE HE?
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she gets thrown around a lot and thats about it
a lot of show with no substance
Her skating isn't the best but that's not what he is saying,he is saying that her routines are not skating routines.That is just wrong because she does do skating in the routine and in actual fact,the actual skating is not a big issue in professional competitions,the lifts and jumps are a far more important factors.
Did you read the ISU rules regarding Ice DANCE?
Pairs skating has many jumps, lifts etc, but Dance is about dancing and skating. Maybe you are too young to remember Torvill and Dean in their competition days.
From her current form, I'd suggest Bonnie would not be up to anything like the Bolero routine. There are few lifts and no jumps, but loads of skating.
I think we must remember that we are not watching professional ice skaters here.Comparing bonnie's routines to torvill and dean's balero is idiotic!
Also i happen to think her skating has improved week after week,and i saw very little wrong with her basic skating in last weekends routine!
There must be something good about her performances if the judges have given her the highest marks week after week.
But the winning skaters will be trying to reproduce the Bolero routine. Obviously not quite as T&D performed it - that would be impossible. BUt they cannot call it Bolero if they are planning lots of lifts, and Bonnie has not yet shown she can skate and dance, not jump and lift. Big difference IMHO.
thats why they didnt put so many lifts/fancy moves in
look what happened to him this week
Personally, I find it impossible to judge how good - or otherwise - a skater Bonnie is... her skates haven't been in contact with the ice long enough yet for me to form an opinon...
Bonnie relies on her impressive jumps
I have not seen her do any fancy step sequences she goes from lift to another
I am amazed and baffled by the comments made on here.
If you study the amount of time she actuay skates you will find that it isn't that much less than the others.I cannot see the problem in including lifts and jumps in the routine if that is what she is good at.
As an all-round performance bonnie's efforts have been the best and thats why she has been top of the score charts.
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that is not true because step sequences were the rquired eliment last week.Plus they have been included in every routine so far.To say she goes from one lift to another is a total lie,i have seen her do plenty of regular skating and the amount of lifts she does is no more than john did in his routines.
She's either on two feet, holding on to her partner, or skating like Bambi might, unsure and stiff. I think the choreo and the routine's layout, cover up her weaknesses and highlight her strong points, ie lifts etc.
There's always going to be a split decision on Bonnie.
It's a toss up between whether people are happy enough with the choreo and aesthetics of the lifts, or whether people want to see the celebs actual skating well.
Becuase he was the best skater on the show?? If you knew anything about Ice Skating you'd know he was the most natural out of the celebs.
I love John but that does make him sound bitter. Maybe he should rephrase what he says!
That's a fair point. Personally I'm one of those who's more than happy with the choreography and aesthetics (although I still believe there's more to it than just that).
Whether Bonnie or any of the other celebs are skating 'well' in a technical sense I have absolutely no idea and to be honest I don't really care - for me it's about whether the routine's entertaining, whether the couple are working as one, whether they seem to be putting some feeling into the performance and whether they're trying to improve each week. As far as I'm concerned Bonnie (& partner) tick all those boxes.
He looked like a naturally plonker when he fell flat on his arse.
Obviously the poorly-informed British public didn't know enough about Skating to vote for him.
No, He came across as a professional because eventhough he slipped and fell. He got straight back up and continued his routine in style with great dignity. Thats why he still ended up with the highest score that week from the judges.
The majority of viewers were shocked by John's departure. Many people seemed to be under the impression that he was safe so didn't vote. Also he was a victim of the sympathy vote.