Can someone give an example of Tulisa abusing Chris or... ?

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  • DixDix Posts: 79,018
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    I think the change in tone progressed over each week, and Tulisa openly admitted it. She said there was no point trying to be constructive anymore because he was an act she wasn't going to get. From that point on she simply commented,and was less constructive, which may have made her seem harsher.

    Again this producer lead thing, only seems to tie in to arguments when it suits people. So producers choose songs, they give Christopher what the fans want and what puts him in winning position. Yet at the same time they are trying to dampen his vote? This makes no sense.

    But rivercity, that's what the show wants you to think. It might not make sense to you, but it makes sense to the show's producers. The more someone is bamboozled, the more winners they get.

    Here's something else to ponder, when a judge says something bad about an act not their own, they are having a go at other judges, but it's the contestants we hear give their grievences, more than we hear their mentors say.

    I see that happen every week, a judge critiques a performance, the contestant looks glum or says something, but their mentor hardly ever says how wrong they might have been in a particular arrangement. Each week the contestants get it in the neck when it's not their fault!
  • rivercity_rulesrivercity_rules Posts: 24,270
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    Dix wrote: »
    But rivercity, that's what the show wants you to think. It might not make sense to you, but it makes sense to the show's producers. The more someone is bamboozled, the more winners they get.

    Here's something else to ponder, when a judge says something bad about an act not their own, they are having a go at other judges, but it's the contestants we hear give their grievences, more than we hear their mentors say.

    I see that happen every week, a judge critiques a performance, the contestant looks glum or says something, but their mentor hardly ever says how wrong they might have been in a particular arrangement. Each week the contestants get it in the neck when it's not their fault!

    Multiple times a judge comments on mentors song choices, or staging and we hear them say(usually Gary or Louis) that the song choice was a joint effort and they stand by it, and the staging/choreography is out of their hands. Even this week, Tulisa said she didn't like the staging and it was Gary's problem NOT Chris's.
  • EurostarEurostar Posts: 78,519
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    I think the change in tone progressed over each week, and Tulisa openly admitted it. She said there was no point trying to be constructive anymore because he was an act she wasn't going to get. From that point on she simply commented,and was less constructive, which may have made her seem harsher.

    Again this producer lead thing, only seems to tie in to arguments when it suits people. So producers choose songs, they give Christopher what the fans want and what puts him in winning position. Yet at the same time they are trying to dampen his vote? This makes no sense.

    There have been strong hints the judges have been operating under producers' orders this year ie. the week they all said in unison how terrible Jade Ellis had been (and she promptly got voted off) when her actual performance seemed decent enough.

    Christopher must have been defying them on song choices for the last three weeks or so. The obvious way to sabotage him would be to give him a 2012 song, so I'm guessing there have been huge rows backstage where he has refused to sing one.
  • kaceyykaceyy Posts: 1,572
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    She hasn't apologised either - I have.
    what for? she hasn't called him any names, only judged him on his performance and his vocals as per her role on the show.
  • trevor tigertrevor tiger Posts: 37,996
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    Can someone give an example of Tulisa abusing Chris or... ?

    Seemingly not :)
  • johartukjohartuk Posts: 11,320
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    rombod wrote: »
    That's not an example. The whole performance was funny. She even apologised for laughing and said vocally it was good. Really... if she's truly abusing him, give an example.

    You've just given one - laughing at a contestant when he was singing. She's a judge who's being paid a large amount of money to do her job, which basically consists of watching performances and commenting on them. It really isn't much to ask, is it?
  • rombodrombod Posts: 5,252
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    johartuk wrote: »
    You've just given one - laughing at a contestant when he was singing. She's a judge who's being paid a large amount of money to do her job, which basically consists of watching performances and commenting on them. It really isn't much to ask, is it?

    She wasn't laughing at him, she was laughing at the staging, and even if she was that's not abuse. He's a 30-year old man not a quivering preschooler. I think he can handle someone laughing at something going on in his general vicinity that doesn't reflect on him at all. I mean... just... what.
  • sutiesutie Posts: 32,645
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    Sun Tzu. wrote: »
    Attitude towards him is a disgrace. I think that is pretty clear. The utter disrespect she shows is awful.



    Why should she have to show him any respect? It isn't compulsory. I'm pretty sure she's entitled to dislike him if she so wishes. :confused:
  • DarcyprincessDarcyprincess Posts: 25,693
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    Skip65 wrote: »
    he was doing what his mentor Gary told him to do. Or don't you watch the show. Would you question someone of Gary's standing in the music industry. Anyway he wouldn't of won if he did. You would be straight on saying what An egotistic person going against someone like Gary Barlow.

    Well said Skip, you are spot on, I cannot believe that this has been started off again in another thread, so tiresome now!
  • DarcyprincessDarcyprincess Posts: 25,693
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    sutie wrote: »
    Why should she have to show him any respect? It isn't compulsory. I'm pretty sure she's entitled to dislike him if she so wishes. :confused:

    I dont agree, as a judge you are s'pose to be impartial and fair! When Tulisa and Nicole started going out socialising with Rylan they crossed the line and looked on Rylan as a friend rather than a contestant!
  • trevor tigertrevor tiger Posts: 37,996
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    Has no one watched X Factor in the past :confused: I remember Sharon, Louis and even Simon rolling around on the floor laughing at some of the contestants and I remember immense disdain shown at some contestants who had reached the live shows EG Simon at the McDonald Brothers and the Conway Sisters, Sharon at Steve Brookstein and Louis at Frankie and don't get me going about Gary.

    The dislike shown towards Tulisa and the charges levelled at her are quite frankly ridiculous. Never mind though a new hate figure will be available same time next year :cool:
  • DarcyprincessDarcyprincess Posts: 25,693
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    Has no one watched X Factor in the past :confused: I remember Sharon, Louis and even Simon rolling around on the floor laughing at some of the contestants and I remember immense disdain shown at some contestants who had reached the live shows EG Simon at the McDonald Brothers and the Conway Sisters, Sharon at Steve Brookstein and Louis at Frankie and don't get me going about Gary.

    The dislike shown towards Tulisa and the charges levelled at her are quite frankly ridiculous. Never mind though a new hate figure will be available same time next year :cool:

    Not in the same manner as what Tulisa and Louis has been with Christopher this year. It was bad when Sharon was awful to Steve Brookstein but I am afraid that Tulisa has asked for all she gets this year. She has been a total nightmare and I have no time for her at all. I do not see Gary being nasty just telling Rylan that he cannot sing and he is taking the place of somebody that can sing better than him!

    How can you not see how offensive it was last night of both Tulisa and Louis smirking and laughing all the way through Christopher singing Fernando last night? Plus the inuendos after were even worse about the half naked dancers!
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    How can you not see how offensive it was last night of both Tulisa and Louis smirking and laughing all the way through Christopher singing Fernando last night? Plus the inuendos after were even worse about the half naked dancers!

    ^This, Louis' Im glad you never got half naked comment was really bad too.

    If the abuse thing you mean the whole bullying card getting thrown about (Im either blind to it or I haven't seen anyone actually say she abuses him) they are two different things. Bullying by definition is to use superior strength or influence to intimidate totally different from abuse. He clearly feels intimidated.
  • CinnamonBrickCinnamonBrick Posts: 631
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    marli wrote: »
    She is simply disrespecting him by trying to belittle him her comments don't make sense and she is doing it purely to get back at Gary for calling her ash breathe very immature her giggling at him is getting embarrassing now she needs to grow up and start being professional

    You're twisting things to suit your needs. She was saying he was cheesy and needed to change things up before Gary's ash breath comment. In fact, she was talking to Gary about this for the first time when he said it.
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    hvm11 wrote: »
    ^This, Louis' Im glad you never got half naked comment was really bad too.

    If the abuse thing you mean the whole bullying card getting thrown about (Im either blind to it or I haven't seen anyone actually say she abuses him) they are two different things. Bullying by definition is to use superior strength or influence to intimidate totally different from abuse. He clearly feels intimidated.

    Oh, so when Gary made a joke about Chris' speedo? Where does that fall under? One rule for one, one for another.
  • tellywatcher73tellywatcher73 Posts: 4,181
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    At the start, the critisism levelled at christopher was constructive and I think the judges have just got frustrated at watching the exact same act every week. Whether its ballads or up beat songs, they just sound the same, shouted out with some side to side rocking. He might be "the peoples choice" but that was before "the people" got to know him! Gary can moralise over the other judges comments, but he has said ten times worse to rylan which he now puts down to "pantomime". Well, maybe tulisa is just in the panto as well!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 51
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    http://d.pr/i/4MhU

    tulisa doesnt care about maloney phoney

    and she didn't look back once
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,363
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    At the start, the critisism levelled at christopher was constructive and I think the judges have just got frustrated at watching the exact same act every week. Whether its ballads or up beat songs, they just sound the same, shouted out with some side to side rocking. He might be "the peoples choice" but that was before "the people" got to know him! Gary can moralise over the other judges comments, but he has said ten times worse to rylan which he now puts down to "pantomime". Well, maybe tulisa is just in the panto as well!
    I don't think Tulisa has been intentionally "pantomime", she is just unprofessional as a judge..
    To me Jahmene and James Arthur are the same every week and they don't get critised for it so why should Christopher?.
    The groups have at least shown some versitility as did Rylan Clark and Kye Sones.
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    Eurostar wrote: »
    It certainly wasn't abuse but was a tad ungracious : it was something like "I can't really imagine people buying an album of yours".

    thats not ungracious thats just how she feels

    Are people no longer allowed to say what they think in case all the wimps get slightly upset?

    Maybe thats life on forums but the real world is still the same as it ever was, and allways will be.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 111
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    Not really, polling very well on a Saturday night light entertainment show because you go on about your nan and stand looking like a victim is not the same as an artist who will sell records. She offered him constructive criticism which may have made him a more sellable artist, he chose to ignore it.

    I think all those who are voting for him to annoy Cowell/get at the other judges/show they can't be manipulated/feel sorry for him, are doing him more harm than good. How many of those who have pity voted would even consider buying his material? Tulisa was spot on, and it's her job to say these things. When it comes to 6 months down the line, he's had an album sell less than 100k and no hit singles and is dropped, I wonder how happy he'll be to have played a part in "sticking it to Cowell"

    ^^^^ this!! Agree with every word
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 111
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    Not in the same manner as what Tulisa and Louis has been with Christopher this year. It was bad when Sharon was awful to Steve Brookstein but I am afraid that Tulisa has asked for all she gets this year. She has been a total nightmare and I have no time for her at all. I do not see Gary being nasty just telling Rylan that he cannot sing and he is taking the place of somebody that can sing better than him!

    How can you not see how offensive it was last night of both Tulisa and Louis smirking and laughing all the way through Christopher singing Fernando last night? Plus the inuendos after were even worse about the half naked dancers!

    I think everyone knows Sharon was right in everything she said about Steve brookstein!

    Louis and Tulisa were laughing at the staging not Christopher! People who don't like Tulisa will find faults in no matter what she does, but I'd rather listen to her opinion than Cheryl's as at least Tulisa worked her way through the industry and wasn't handed things coz she married a footballer! As Louis said nadine was better singer in girls aloud but didn't marry a footballer!
  • tellywatcher73tellywatcher73 Posts: 4,181
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    LIZALYNN wrote: »
    I don't think Tulisa has been intentionally "pantomime", she is just unprofessional as a judge..
    To me Jahmene and James Arthur are the same every week and they don't get critised for it so why should Christopher?.
    The groups have at least shown some versitility as did Rylan Clark and Kye Sones.

    To be fair, I don't think gary was being intentionally pantomime either, it was just something he came up with to detract from how badly he was coming across. Yes, jahmene and james are quite samey but with christopher when the judges were trying to be constructive, he just kept banging on about being the peoples choice and how he was working the hardest to the point that dermot even got fed up!
  • 40-40J's40-40J's Posts: 6,039
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    Canks wrote: »
    Tulisa hasn't been horrible to him. Last night she said he had a good voice but the dancers were creepy - fair point. She was laughing because of Louis but they're always laughing together, I don't know why that particular moment has been singled out.

    I don't think any of them are bullying him, they just don't like his act. Christopher has the 'poor me' thing down to a tee. All the pulling sad faces and putting his head down. That said, I do want him to win because I think it'll be funny.

    She said they were creepy and she didn't quite "get it" - yet she understood perfectly why Rylan (yes Tulisa, it's Rylan, not Ryland) had chess pieces prancing about with what looked like giant pokers....:confused:

    Love or hate Chris, she certainly has said a few rude things about him (and so has Louis) but at the end of the day, all her acts have gone... surely that should tell her volumes!
  • Susie-RSusie-R Posts: 1,105
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    From the very first week, Tulisa and Louis said that Chris was a diva backstage and Gary warned them about what happened last year when they started saying this about Misha B. Gary hasn't said anything bad about Rylan personally, from the very start he said what a lovely person he was backstage and Rylan has said how well they get on and that he loves Gary. Tulisa's miserable face when she's talking about Chris says it all really, she obviously doesn't like him at all and it's not just his music. What Gary said to Rylan never made me feel uncomfortable because it's all been in fun but Tulisa's comments has, it's not just what she says but the look of disdain on her face
  • plankwalkerplankwalker Posts: 6,702
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    Susie-R wrote: »
    From the very first week, Tulisa and Louis said that Chris was a diva backstage and Gary warned them about what happened last year when they started saying this about Misha B. Gary hasn't said anything bad about Rylan personally, from the very start he said what a lovely person he was backstage and Rylan has said how well they get on and that he loves Gary. Tulisa's miserable face when she's talking about Chris says it all really, she obviously doesn't like him at all and it's not just his music. What Gary said to Rylan never made me feel uncomfortable because it's all been in fun but Tulisa's comments has, it's not just what she says but the look of disdain on her face

    Yes it's not just what she say's or doesn't, it's her body language and facial expressions, both when he performs and after that is the key. The picture link a few comments up shows as others have noted, a deliberate act by her to show distain and trying to make out she is not interested in his performance. Even Louis has the good grace to turn around. Viewers and of course Chris will notice this, but she doesn't care, she is in her own little world of self indulgence and rancour (not sure where the latter is coming or being generated from though).

    Can't help feeling the Producers (through the Patsy Judges etc) and Simon are just playing the public (including DS) again over Chris, as a means to up ratings and boost voting £££.

    Overall I was really behind Tulisa last year, but now she seems to have sold or lost her soul and comes over as disinterested, lazy and miserable.
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