Why I don't buy into Sky's new focus on entertainment

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I really don't buy into this new entertainment formula from Sky. Very little has appeal to me. Perhaps now they have lost the Champions League they think they can buy people into entertainment and maybe ITV's new pay channel but it's all the same tripe.

Perhaps it's just me but does anybody here think Sky's new entertainment focus will pay off?
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  • ocavocav Posts: 2,341
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    I really don't buy into this new entertainment formula from Sky. Very little has appeal to me. Perhaps now they have lost the Champions League they think they can buy people into entertainment and maybe ITV's new pay channel but it's all the same tripe.

    Perhaps it's just me but does anybody here think Sky's new entertainment focus will pay off?

    As ITV Encore hasn't launched yet, how can you call it tripe?
  • Richard1960Richard1960 Posts: 20,340
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    ocav wrote: »
    As ITV Encore hasn't launched yet, how can you call it tripe?

    Whilst it may not have launched yet , if past experience of ITV is anything to go by it will indeed be filled with dumbed down TV.

    I am afraid past experience is all i have to go on.:)
  • henderohendero Posts: 11,773
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    Sky have been increasing their own developed content for a number of years, long before they lost the Champions League rights. I don't see much (if any) connection between the two, they still have a very wide range of sports rights, I can't imagine that many people will ditch Sky just because the CL will be on BT.

    One of the big challenges for Sky is that it barely seems worth developing their own programming, because most of the shows tend not to get very large viewing figures. So, it makes more sense for them to just buy in the best foreign (primarily US) content.

    It's a bit of a shame that some of Sky's good programmes, like Moone Boy, don't draw a larger audience. If it was on e.g. BBC or ITV I could see it doing very well.
  • Peter the GreatPeter the Great Posts: 14,228
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    hendero wrote: »
    Sky have been increasing their own developed content for a number of years, long before they lost the Champions League rights. I don't see much (if any) connection between the two, they still have a very wide range of sports rights, I can't imagine that many people will ditch Sky just because the CL will be on BT.

    One of the big challenges for Sky is that it barely seems worth developing their own programming, because most of the shows tend not to get very large viewing figures. So, it makes more sense for them to just buy in the best foreign (primarily US) content.

    It's a bit of a shame that some of Sky's good programmes, like Moone Boy, don't draw a larger audience. If it was on e.g. BBC or ITV I could see it doing very well.
    Viewing figures are generally higher for the original shows than the US imports. Sky probably worked out a few years ago that to get extra subscribers who aren't interested in sport they have to make original content.
  • henderohendero Posts: 11,773
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    Viewing figures are generally higher for the original shows than the US imports. Sky probably worked out a few years ago that to get extra subscribers who aren't interested in sport they have to make original content.

    Of Sky1's top ten most watched programmes the week ending March 9 (most recent on BARB), eight were US imports.

    I would be interested to know how many people sign up for Sky primarily for the original, UK-developed, entertainment content, as opposed to the other factors, which it seems to me would be:

    - the sport
    - the films
    - the US imports
    - the wide range of channels
    - the convenience of Sky+
    - it comes cheap(ish) with broadband
    - they're all stupid, they really only watch BBC channels and have just been brainwashed by the evil Murdochs into giving their money away
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 621
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    I really don't buy into this new entertainment formula from Sky. Very little has appeal to me. Perhaps now they have lost the Champions League they think they can buy people into entertainment and maybe ITV's new pay channel but it's all the same tripe.

    Perhaps it's just me but does anybody here think Sky's new entertainment focus will pay off?

    I guess bringing back the Granada Plus channel to show old repeats of Coronation Street and Emmerdale Farm rather than a new ITV drama channel would suit you better.
  • Peter the GreatPeter the Great Posts: 14,228
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    hendero wrote: »
    Of Sky1's top ten most watched programmes the week ending March 9 (most recent on BARB), eight were US imports.

    I would be interested to know how many people sign up for Sky primarily for the original, UK-developed, entertainment content, as opposed to the other factors, which it seems to me would be:

    - the sport
    - the films
    - the US imports
    - the wide range of channels
    - the convenience of Sky+
    - it comes cheap(ish) with broadband
    - they're all stupid, they really only watch BBC channels and have just been brainwashed by the evil Murdochs into giving their money away
    Well as I said the viewing figures say otherwise. Original programming gets more viewers than the US imports. Also can US imports really bring in subscribers? Apart from the HBO content you can watch it elsewhere.
  • BigOrangeBigOrange Posts: 59,672
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    Well as I said the viewing figures say otherwise. Original programming gets more viewers than the US imports. Also can US imports really bring in subscribers? Apart from the HBO content you can watch it elsewhere.
    Well you can keep repeating yourself if you want but without hard evidence to back up what you are saying nobody is going to take you seriously. The poster you quoted had kindly taken the time to post some stats to the contrary and a source for those stats, can you do the same?

    The sad reality is the vast majority of Sky's homegrown programmes don't rate very well at all. Recent examples being the comedy Doll and Em on Sky Living which mustered a frankly pathetic average of 50,000 for its most recent episode, and even the award winning Moone Boy is posting overnights not much bigger than 100,000. This could rise to nearer to half a million in the official data but they've just cancelled a US import with a similar sized audience and homegrown stuff is more expensive.

    Sure, there's the odd success. But they are few and far between. And I'm not convinced an increase in UK programming is going to be a significant factor in determining whether people subscribe or continue their subscriptions.
  • Peter the GreatPeter the Great Posts: 14,228
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    Dancc wrote: »
    Well you can keep repeating yourself if you want but without hard evidence to back up what you are saying nobody is going to take you seriously. The poster you quoted had kindly taken the time to post some stats to the contrary and a source for those stats, can you do the same?

    The sad reality is the vast majority of Sky's homegrown programmes don't rate very well at all. Recent examples being the comedy Doll and Em on Sky Living which mustered a frankly pathetic average of 50,000 for its most recent episode, and even the award winning Moone Boy is posting overnights not much bigger than 100,000. This could rise to nearer to half a million in the official data but they've just cancelled a US import with a similar sized audience and homegrown stuff is more expensive.

    Sure, there's the odd success. But they are few and far between. And I'm not convinced an increase in UK programming is going to be a significant factor in determining whether people subscribe or continue their subscriptions.
    So the viewing figures are high for the US shows then? Tell me the viewing figures of the US shows that rate so better? Many of the HBO shows on Sky Atlantic rate badly but I am sure Sky think they bring in subscribers.
  • henderohendero Posts: 11,773
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    So the viewing figures are high for the US shows then? Tell me the viewing figures of the US shows that rate so better? Many of the HBO shows on Sky Atlantic rate badly but I am sure Sky think they bring in subscribers.

    Modern Family, Hawaii 5-0, Arrow, Revolution, NCIS Los Angeles and The Simpsons are all in the top ten most watched Sky 1 programmes. When the new season of Game of Thrones starts on Sky Atlantic I imagine that will get more than a million viewers, which will make it one of the most, if not the most, watched programme on a Sky entertainment channel.

    I would imagine GoT probably does help Sky pick up some extra subscribers, many people who are familiar with it consider it one of the best television programmes ever. I suspect Sky probably have a better idea of what does, and doesn't, help them to land and keep customers than people posting on the broadcasting forum.
  • JordyDJordyD Posts: 4,007
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    hendero wrote: »
    Modern Family, Hawaii 5-0, Arrow, Revolution, NCIS Los Angeles and The Simpsons are all in the top ten most watched Sky 1 programmes.

    They may be in the top ten lost of most watched programmes, but that doesn't mean they're that popular, just happens to be the most watched programmes on a little watched TV channel. Sky don't help themselves by diluting their best shows across three channels. They should concentrate on one channel and making that work before anything else. The branding also needs a shakeup. I would rename sky one as the Sky channel. It will only reinforce their brand.
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    I find Sky's attempt to sell Game of thrones to the masses hilarious. They even have an advert advertising their "family package" with a picture of the show.

    Like any family is going to sit down and watch graphic beheadings and incest after a hard day's work instead of corrie and eastenders :D
  • Peter the GreatPeter the Great Posts: 14,228
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    hendero wrote: »
    Modern Family, Hawaii 5-0, Arrow, Revolution, NCIS Los Angeles and The Simpsons are all in the top ten most watched Sky 1 programmes. When the new season of Game of Thrones starts on Sky Atlantic I imagine that will get more than a million viewers, which will make it one of the most, if not the most, watched programme on a Sky entertainment channel.

    I would imagine GoT probably does help Sky pick up some extra subscribers, many people who are familiar with it consider it one of the best television programmes ever. I suspect Sky probably have a better idea of what does, and doesn't, help them to land and keep customers than people posting on the broadcasting forum.
    And A League of their Own, Strike Back, An Idiot Abroad and Mad Dogs have all rated well as well.
  • henderohendero Posts: 11,773
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    JordyD wrote: »
    They may be in the top ten lost of most watched programmes, but that doesn't mean they're that popular, just happens to be the most watched programmes on a little watched TV channel. Sky don't help themselves by diluting their best shows across three channels. They should concentrate on one channel and making that work before anything else. The branding also needs a shakeup. I would rename sky one as the Sky channel. It will only reinforce their brand.

    We are discussing their relative popularity compared to other programmes on Sky.

    I think Sky know what they're doing.
  • beemohbeemoh Posts: 7,073
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    hendero wrote: »
    One of the big challenges for Sky is that it barely seems worth developing their own programming, because most of the shows tend not to get very large viewing figures. So, it makes more sense for them to just buy in the best foreign (primarily US) content.

    There's more to the TV biz than viewing figures.

    If they're making their own shows, they get a cut of the DVD/Blu-Ray sales which they wouldn't for imports, similarly they'd get money from on-demand services they don't control (eg Netflix) and take a bigger cut of those they do (Sky Go, Now TV etc), which also strengthens the offering their own services provide.

    They can also use it as leverage against acquisitions- negotiating a lower fee because they can just show their own stuff instead, and use them to bump up ratings for other shows by simply creating a better-looking schedule and improving a channel's prestige.

    (Also, if you want to be conspiratorial, you could argue that if talent is making content for Sky, they're too busy to make it for the BBC...)
  • ocavocav Posts: 2,341
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    hendero wrote: »
    Of Sky1's top ten most watched programmes the week ending March 9 (most recent on BARB), eight were US imports.

    I would be interested to know how many people sign up for Sky primarily for the original, UK-developed, entertainment content, as opposed to the other factors, which it seems to me would be:

    - the sport
    - the films
    - the US imports
    - the wide range of channels
    - the convenience of Sky+
    - it comes cheap(ish) with broadband
    - they're all stupid, they really only watch BBC channels and have just been brainwashed by the evil Murdochs into giving their money away

    That will be because there isn't as much NEW Original Content airing right now.
  • Ginger DaddyGinger Daddy Posts: 8,507
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    I really don't buy into this new entertainment formula from Sky. Very little has appeal to me. Perhaps now they have lost the Champions League they think they can buy people into entertainment and maybe ITV's new pay channel but it's all the same tripe.

    Perhaps it's just me but does anybody here think Sky's new entertainment focus will pay off?

    Do you start a thread for every single thought that enters your head?
  • henderohendero Posts: 11,773
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    beemoh wrote: »
    There's more to the TV biz than viewing figures.

    If they're making their own shows, they get a cut of the DVD/Blu-Ray sales which they wouldn't for imports, similarly they'd get money from on-demand services they don't control (eg Netflix) and take a bigger cut of those they do (Sky Go, Now TV etc), which also strengthens the offering their own services provide.

    Which of Sky's own developed progamming do you think generates significant DVD sales? I can't think of one.
  • THOMOTHOMO Posts: 7,447
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    Do you start a thread for every single thought that enters your head?

    I do agree with you on that.
    Ian.
  • RadiogramRadiogram Posts: 3,515
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    Do you start a thread for every single thought that enters your head?

    You mean you have never sat awake at 3.45am and thought about these important matters?:D
  • PizzatheactionPizzatheaction Posts: 20,157
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    It wouldn't surprise me if the sudden interest in originations turned out to be an attempt to weaken the case for the BBC. Fund some sitcoms and dramas, get the BBC nobbled into a news and documentary service, then suddenly switch all the BSkyB focus back to films, sport and American imports.
  • cnbcwatchercnbcwatcher Posts: 56,681
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    Radiogram wrote: »
    You mean you have never sat awake at 3.45am and thought about these important matters?:D

    Nope, can't say I have. I've got other things to think about :D
  • degsyhufcdegsyhufc Posts: 59,251
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    hendero wrote: »
    Sky have been increasing their own developed content for a number of years, long before they lost the Champions League rights. I don't see much (if any) connection between the two, they still have a very wide range of sports rights, I can't imagine that many people will ditch Sky just because the CL will be on BT.

    One of the big challenges for Sky is that it barely seems worth developing their own programming, because most of the shows tend not to get very large viewing figures. So, it makes more sense for them to just buy in the best foreign (primarily US) content.

    It's a bit of a shame that some of Sky's good programmes, like Moone Boy, don't draw a larger audience. If it was on e.g. BBC or ITV I could see it doing very well.
    I wonder if BBC3 goes if writers and production companies may think Sky is a good alternative if they keep up producing homegrown content.
  • darkjedimasterdarkjedimaster Posts: 18,621
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    hendero wrote: »
    Which of Sky's own developed progamming do you think generates significant DVD sales? I can't think of one.

    I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that "An Idiot Abroad" has done well with Dvd sales
  • hotguy25hotguy25 Posts: 879
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    I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that "An Idiot Abroad" has done well with Dvd sales

    some ross kemp shows
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