And that helps to make a Freesat TV and a Satellite PVR work :eek:
How the hell would you get Sky multiroom to work ?
that was partly the idea of skyscr but now abandoned.
nothing to stop anyone having a 3rd dropwire specially installed later. one reason for using cascade type switches. in any case u should always include a few spare switch outlets.
normal policy wd be the resident pays for 3rd dropwire.
that was partly the idea of skyscr but now abandoned.
nothing to stop anyone having a 3rd dropwire specially installed later. one reason for using cascade type switches. in any case u should always include a few spare switch outlets.
normal policy wd be the resident pays for 3rd dropwire.
stackers are also available.
Indeed but it shows your comment about 2 cables being sufficient for everyone to be entirely wrong. Anyone requiring a 3rd connection once they know the limitations of two would find it much cheaper to have it from day one on a new install rather than trying to install additional cabling at some future date.
@grahamlthompson
^^
That seems to be the suggestion generally around here. So if it is £150+vat (or even just £150 (hard to tell)) then I might put this in one bedroom.
Should they charge less for just a TV/radio slave extention rather than additional drop wires required for additional sat points? Or would you expect a single fee?
The materials I have seen have 2 prices, but they appear to relate to single or dual satellite points. The managing agents are yet to provide clarification as I am not sure if they are expert in these matters.
the return wire is just single coax tween main and bed rooms. carrying terr tv and remodulated sat on terr analogue one way, and remote control signals back other way. u could have 2nd sat receiver in bedroom but that wd be rare.
sky scr briefly existed for flats but now officially dead. can still be got unofficially but slowly getting obsolete. allows 4 sat channels down single drop wire. good idea but too complicated.
Sorry to sound stupid again...
So the return wire is carrying:
Terr TV/Radio (which is nothing clever, as this could always be daisy chained
Remodulated sat does that mean limited sat channels depending on what your master STB is tuned to?
remote control signals back other way so it would need to be connected to one of the Sat sockets on the triplex faceplate to communicate with the multiswitches?
Secondly,
So the suggestion of grahamlthompson for using a SCR is no good?
scr is dead, baby. it wasnt groovy enough. no mojo.
no longer officially supported and not really an option now.
by all means have 3 drop wires per apartment but remember all those coax cables should ideally fit inside the building assuming theres enough room ......
usual extension arrangement is 1 wire tween main aerial socket and bedroom. use how you want. but standard wd be sky box rf2 out for eye link. this includes freeview if u feed it via sky box aerial socket. being careful about uhf channel selection for link so doesnt clash with freeview.
but instead u cd feet sat1 or 2 into bedroom giving u both sat and terr in there. its a flexible system.
wot cant be done is run more than 1 sat receiver from a single sat point outlet. cos of the 4 band sat antenna switching.
Thank you both for all your efforts on bringing me up the speed!
Sorry to sound stupid again...
So the return wire is carrying:
Terr TV/Radio (which is nothing clever, as this could always be daisy chained
Remodulated sat does that mean limited sat channels depending on what your master STB is tuned to?
remote control signals back other way so it would need to be connected to one of the Sat sockets on the triplex faceplate to communicate with the multiswitches?
Secondly,
So the suggestion of grahamlthompson for using a SCR is no good?
Remodulated means retransmiiting the composite output using an analogue TV channel and tuning a TV with an analogue tuner to it remotely. You have to watch whatever the main sat box is using. Sky boxes have a built in modulator that builds in remote control using Sky magic eyes. It's just a a coax cable (in the case of a Sky box from rf2 out) either to a single remote TV or to a skylink capable dist amp for more than 1 TV. You can add a modulator to other kit to do the same but building in magic eye remote control means you need other kit. It's not connected to the satellite connections in any way.
wot cant be done is run more than 1 sat receiver from a single sat point outlet. cos of the 4 band sat antenna switching.
Also wrong, you can run a second tuner provided it's only using the same quadrant on the multiswitch while the main box is on. That's how you can run two tuners on a Foxsat-hdr using only a single lnb connection.
remodulated means the sky box sends its output from rf1 and rf 2 sockets as a uhf analogue tv channel. so you can watch any sat channel on a bog standard 2nd tv in bedroom. sd quality only and mono sound.
remote control signals go back in opposite direction on same cable so u control sky box in living room from bedroom with the usual sky remote. needs a magic eye.
also works with non sky equipment - except virgin cable boxes - but needs a few extra bits.
@Both
I think I've got it.
It sounds like from a satellite point of view the return is a slightly retro solution then. It simply connects to your STB and provides that channel in analogue or the MUXs of freeview channels.
However, for Terr TV I am not entirely clear on the different between it and having 2 TV sockets on the faceplate.
Also wrong, you can run a second tuner provided it's only using the same quadrant on the multiswitch while the main box is on. That's how you can run two tuners on a Foxsat-hdr using only a single lnb connection.
no this is correct. the antenna control signals conflict
remember a sky box in standby is still receiving, and tone/18v "wins".
paralleling 2 sat receivers on 1 antenna is bad idea.
this is a large job and missing out the 2nd drop cable to some flats only to save those particlar residents £20 is silly and confusing should be avoided.
standard arrangemnt is single coax extension to 2nd tv point. its a separate stand alone length of wire. can be used several different ways as desired. but inside a flat do wot you like within reason ....
no this is correct. the antenna control signals conflict
remember a sky box in standby is still receiving, and tone/18v "wins".
paralleling 2 sat receivers on 1 antenna is bad idea.
They aren't paralled they are chained. I never mentioned a Sky box. You can for instance connect a Foxsat-hdr to a single lnb and connect tuner 1 out to tuner 2 in and still record two channels at once and also watch some 3rd channels. All it requires is the second channel is accessed from the same quadrant as channel 1 is using. If the two recordings are on the same transponder you can watch any third channel in the quadrant and live pause it.
Is this garbage, satellite TV is far from just being Sky, it's you who are misleading by only considering Sky boxes, there are hundreds of alternatives.
@Both
I think I've got it.
It sounds like from a satellite point of view the return is a slightly retro solution then. It simply connects to your STB and provides that channel in analogue or the MUXs of freeview channels.
However, for Terr TV I am not entirely clear on the different between it and having 2 TV sockets on the faceplate.
Any thoughts on post #55?
A socket with 4 sockets on it will normally have the folowing uses, Sat 1, Sat 2, TV/FM (this is normally multiplexed onto the sat 1 cable at the multiswitch and demuxed in the faceplate). The other TV socket is for the return cable to use the SKY RF2 out analogue distribution system.
They aren't paralled they are chained. I never mentioned a Sky box. You can for instance connect a Foxsat-hdr to a single lnb and connect tuner 1 out to tuner 2 in and still record two channels at once and also watch some 3rd channels. All it requires is the second channel is accessed from the same quadrant as channel 1 is using. If the two recordings are on the same transponder you can watch any third channel in the quadrant and live pause it.
Is this garbage, satellite TV is far from just being Sky, it's you who are misleading by only considering Sky boxes, there are hundreds of alternatives.
absolute rubbish.
i have specifcally mentioned the different types of sat receivers several times.
skyscr uses the specific Global units. it is added to existing smatv.
normal scr is indeed chained but not compatible with multiswitches.
stop this . you are hugely confusing the questioner who is trying to tackle questions with financial implications. sounds like residents committee stuff.
icstm seems to be feeing way but not much idea of practical side. i wd suggest if poss having a look around a similar existing install. especially if that includes inside several flats to see different arrangements people actually have. landlord might help ......
..... maybe contact a residents comittee where a previous install has been done. if you visit during evening many people should be in and watching tv .....
generic (european). find all available channels by scanning. no programme listings. no red button services. pvr types available but costly. diseqc allows satellite dish switching if multisat smatv is installed.
freesat. all channels in freesat epg. remaining free to air channels need addng manually. some top of range models also have a "european mode" as above.
currently topup tv gives limited pay tv on freeview.
sky all channels from 28E are in the channel listngs. no diseqc. any encrypted uk sat channel uses videoguard so can only be got on a sky receiver.
some european receivers take conditional access modules and get eg french or german pay tv with valid viewing card. videoguard for uk channels is exclusive to and only on sky.
normal scr is indeed chained but not compatible with multiswitches.
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Where did scrs come into it, we were talking about feeding more than 1 tuner from a universal lnb or a multiswitch feed, as the bit about using a Foxsat-hdr on a single lnb should have made abundantly clear. Can you explain why this is rubbish
Where did scrs come into it, we were talking about feeding more than 1 tuner from a universal lnb or a multiswitch feed, as the bit about using a Foxsat-hdr on a single lnb should have made abundantly clear. Can you explain why this is rubbish
how would u use standard scr on smatv distribution ?
they are mutually exclusive and sky boxes dont have scr anyway. only a few had skyscr.
use of standard scr means nobody can get sky.
whereas standard smatv allows all types of terr and sat receivers. freedom. yeah baby yeah. got mojo. fight Dr Evil.
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that was partly the idea of skyscr but now abandoned.
nothing to stop anyone having a 3rd dropwire specially installed later. one reason for using cascade type switches. in any case u should always include a few spare switch outlets.
normal policy wd be the resident pays for 3rd dropwire.
stackers are also available.
these buildings are sw london.
2 dropwires per flat is the common sense limit.
Indeed but it shows your comment about 2 cables being sufficient for everyone to be entirely wrong. Anyone requiring a 3rd connection once they know the limitations of two would find it much cheaper to have it from day one on a new install rather than trying to install additional cabling at some future date.
^^
That seems to be the suggestion generally around here. So if it is £150+vat (or even just £150 (hard to tell)) then I might put this in one bedroom.
Should they charge less for just a TV/radio slave extention rather than additional drop wires required for additional sat points? Or would you expect a single fee?
The materials I have seen have 2 prices, but they appear to relate to single or dual satellite points. The managing agents are yet to provide clarification as I am not sure if they are expert in these matters.
Sorry to sound stupid again...
So the return wire is carrying:
- Terr TV/Radio (which is nothing clever, as this could always be daisy chained
- Remodulated sat does that mean limited sat channels depending on what your master STB is tuned to?
- remote control signals back other way so it would need to be connected to one of the Sat sockets on the triplex faceplate to communicate with the multiswitches?
Secondly,So the suggestion of grahamlthompson for using a SCR is no good?
no longer officially supported and not really an option now.
by all means have 3 drop wires per apartment but remember all those coax cables should ideally fit inside the building assuming theres enough room ......
usual extension arrangement is 1 wire tween main aerial socket and bedroom. use how you want. but standard wd be sky box rf2 out for eye link. this includes freeview if u feed it via sky box aerial socket. being careful about uhf channel selection for link so doesnt clash with freeview.
but instead u cd feet sat1 or 2 into bedroom giving u both sat and terr in there. its a flexible system.
wot cant be done is run more than 1 sat receiver from a single sat point outlet. cos of the 4 band sat antenna switching.
Remodulated means retransmiiting the composite output using an analogue TV channel and tuning a TV with an analogue tuner to it remotely. You have to watch whatever the main sat box is using. Sky boxes have a built in modulator that builds in remote control using Sky magic eyes. It's just a a coax cable (in the case of a Sky box from rf2 out) either to a single remote TV or to a skylink capable dist amp for more than 1 TV. You can add a modulator to other kit to do the same but building in magic eye remote control means you need other kit. It's not connected to the satellite connections in any way.
http://www.triax.co.uk/Products/Domestic%20Distribution%20Products/Tri-Link%20Kit.aspx?productId=%7B86F5253D-76C3-41B6-8BEA-008A662D5C2B%7D&Tab=0
http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/270659121185?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y
SCR is only usefull if you have one of the older Sky boxes (or a fta/freesat) box that has scr capabilities.
Wrong Sky boxes don't support it, Foxsat-hdrs do work with scr lnb's at least.
Also wrong, you can run a second tuner provided it's only using the same quadrant on the multiswitch while the main box is on. That's how you can run two tuners on a Foxsat-hdr using only a single lnb connection.
remote control signals go back in opposite direction on same cable so u control sky box in living room from bedroom with the usual sky remote. needs a magic eye.
also works with non sky equipment - except virgin cable boxes - but needs a few extra bits.
see tv link website for details of system.
google "omnilink" for non sky variant.
I think I've got it.
It sounds like from a satellite point of view the return is a slightly retro solution then. It simply connects to your STB and provides that channel in analogue or the MUXs of freeview channels.
However, for Terr TV I am not entirely clear on the different between it and having 2 TV sockets on the faceplate.
Any thoughts on post #55?
no this is correct. the antenna control signals conflict
remember a sky box in standby is still receiving, and tone/18v "wins".
paralleling 2 sat receivers on 1 antenna is bad idea.
standard arrangemnt is single coax extension to 2nd tv point. its a separate stand alone length of wire. can be used several different ways as desired. but inside a flat do wot you like within reason ....
sky scr was a propriatry system on the scr principle but exclusive to sky. only a few digiboxes ever supported it.
standard scr is an entirely different incompatible system.
please stop posting garbage its not helping poor wotshizname .....
They aren't paralled they are chained. I never mentioned a Sky box. You can for instance connect a Foxsat-hdr to a single lnb and connect tuner 1 out to tuner 2 in and still record two channels at once and also watch some 3rd channels. All it requires is the second channel is accessed from the same quadrant as channel 1 is using. If the two recordings are on the same transponder you can watch any third channel in the quadrant and live pause it.
Is this garbage, satellite TV is far from just being Sky, it's you who are misleading by only considering Sky boxes, there are hundreds of alternatives.
A socket with 4 sockets on it will normally have the folowing uses, Sat 1, Sat 2, TV/FM (this is normally multiplexed onto the sat 1 cable at the multiswitch and demuxed in the faceplate). The other TV socket is for the return cable to use the SKY RF2 out analogue distribution system.
So anyone wanting to use Sky multiroom can't. Why do you insist on imposing your own requirements on others :eek:.
Whether it makes common sense or not entirely depends on how much it will cost for the extra cabling and there requirements (not yours).
absolute rubbish.
i have specifcally mentioned the different types of sat receivers several times.
skyscr uses the specific Global units. it is added to existing smatv.
normal scr is indeed chained but not compatible with multiswitches.
stop this . you are hugely confusing the questioner who is trying to tackle questions with financial implications. sounds like residents committee stuff.
..... maybe contact a residents comittee where a previous install has been done. if you visit during evening many people should be in and watching tv .....
generic (european). find all available channels by scanning. no programme listings. no red button services. pvr types available but costly. diseqc allows satellite dish switching if multisat smatv is installed.
freesat. all channels in freesat epg. remaining free to air channels need addng manually. some top of range models also have a "european mode" as above.
currently topup tv gives limited pay tv on freeview.
sky all channels from 28E are in the channel listngs. no diseqc. any encrypted uk sat channel uses videoguard so can only be got on a sky receiver.
some european receivers take conditional access modules and get eg french or german pay tv with valid viewing card. videoguard for uk channels is exclusive to and only on sky.
all above have pvr and hd versions.
Where did scrs come into it, we were talking about feeding more than 1 tuner from a universal lnb or a multiswitch feed, as the bit about using a Foxsat-hdr on a single lnb should have made abundantly clear. Can you explain why this is rubbish
look up skyscr.
am on kindle. not impossible to give link but difficult.
how would u use standard scr on smatv distribution ?
they are mutually exclusive and sky boxes dont have scr anyway. only a few had skyscr.
use of standard scr means nobody can get sky.
whereas standard smatv allows all types of terr and sat receivers. freedom. yeah baby yeah. got mojo. fight Dr Evil.
What the hell are talking about, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SCR.
Post 60 and 72 refer to a connection to a universal lnb or multiswitch port. scr is nothing to do with it.