I know there were special effects to add to Strange/Norrell, but I think they finished filming in March 2014, so it's been on the shelf quite a while. Not sure it would have gathered that much dust if anyone thought it would rate well.
That said it was first programme featured in BBC1's 2015 showreel straight after the new year fireworks.
Vicious - has anyone got any consolidated ratings for this series yet, and how well are the Friday night repeats doing? The Monday night overnights aren't great but I only noticed the other night they're showing it on Fridays too.. perhaps all added up together it's doing well enough to justify a third series. I hear the writer sees it as three series.
We have only partial information in the public domain, as the ITV HD and ITV+1 figures did not make BARB's top 10s, and neither did the first episode consolidate by enough to enter Broadcast magazine's rundown of the top 30 most recorded shows (+440k was required).
I would estimate that first two episodes consolidated to ~3.4m exc +1 / ~3.5m inc +1, and 2.7m exc +1 / 2.8m inc +1.
As for the repeats, all I can tell you (using Broadcast magazine's top 10 comedy chart) is that the second one on 12 June overnighted to 1.01m or fewer. (Not terribly helpful as we wouldn't necessarily expect it to get a million when the News at Ten often barely does that!)
That means nothing in this age, Why watch rubbish like Corrie where you watch anything you want on the internet? YouTube has far more entertaining videos then the dull acting on the soaps these days. Then we have things like games and books which may be better to do.
That means nothing in this age, Why watch rubbish like Corrie where you watch anything you want on the internet? YouTube has far more entertaining videos then the dull acting on the soaps these days. Then we have things like games and books which may be better to do.
It really does. Some people (like me) enjoy the soaps. Not everyone watches them out of habit. I'm enjoying Emmerdale at the moment (I've watched it for more than 15 years but I don't just sit through it when it's bad, I stopped watching for a while in 2011/2012.)
When the weather is bad, the soaps go up (as do all shows more or less). Coronation Street was getting 7.5m or more in January when the weather was cold, now it's down to the low 6 millions.
Proof:
Coronation Street January Average: 7.69m
EastEnders January Average: 7.26m
Emmerdale January Average: 6.36m
Coronation Street May Average: 6.77m
EastEnders May Average: 5.85m
Emmerdale May Average: 5.46m
...
BARB officials for the most recent week show BB dominating with all 7 of the channel's most watched programmes and nothing else above 1m (exc. +1). And yet somehow they are 0.03 share points up on the equivalent week last year - which, given the minimal effort they seem to be putting into programming at the moment, is probably a bit of a feat - but it's a miniscule gain, particularly compared with the 1.1 share points C4 has found, albeit inflated to an extent by the one-off TFI event. ...
Which week are you using as the equivalent week for BB last year? Sometimes the partial week at the start of this year's BB is counted as Week 1, with the first full week as Week 2; but in other cases, the two are combined into a long Week 1. (Last year's partial week was shorter and I think I've always seen it combined with the first full week.)
BIB2 - if fantasy really was mainstream, JS&MN wouldn't have had the humiliating ratings it's had. Game Of Thrones is a successful brand, of course - but does 'everyone' love it? Those that have seen it, certainly - but how many is that? And how did they watch it? Not on BBC One on a Sunday night, that's for sure.
I'm not sure whether you're disagreeing with me that the BBC and the people making JS&MN could have been thinking the way I suggested (which included the thought that fantasy was mainstream and everyone loved GoT) or whether you just disagree with those ideas.
And by way of comparison, this is how I estimate Vicious consolidated in spring/summer 2013 (exc/inc +1):
Ep 1 - 6.3m/6.7m
Ep 2 - 4.2m/4.4m
Ep 3 - 3.00m/3.28m
Ep 4 - 2.9m/3.1m
Ep 5 - 2.8m/3.0m
Ep 6 - 3.0m/3.1m
Again, many consolidated HD and +1 figures are missing so I've had to estimate - except for episode 3 (whose official rating I posted on this thread at the time as I had BARB access).
Excellent rating for Black Work. Where the hell did 6.2m come from in June?! Strange & Norrell is a huge, huge flop - 1.6m is an atrocious rating. Surprise, Surprise returned decently too.
Also that Humans consolidated rating is insane! 6.12m is a terrific result for Channel 4 and a rating that wouldn't look out of place as an ITV or BBC drama rating.
Excellent rating for Black Work. Where the hell did 6.2m come from in June?! Strange & Norrell is a huge, huge flop ....
Answered your own question there ;-)
Seriously though, fantastic for BW, and S&N is a mega-flop of astonishing proportions, making The White Queen two years back look good. Thank God there's only one more to go.
Seriously though, fantastic for BW, and S&N is a mega-flop of astonishing proportions, making The White Queen two years back look good. Thank God there's only one more to go.
Iv sat through three Norrells now on catch-up and tbh I don't think its bad. Winter nights on BBC2 is where it should have gone maybe but its sad its dipped so dreadfully low. Perhaps if they had managed to get Harry Potter into the title somewhere it might have rated better
That means nothing in this age, Why watch rubbish like Corrie where you watch anything you want on the internet? YouTube has far more entertaining videos then the dull acting on the soaps these days. Then we have things like games and books which may be better to do.
I agree with you there. I'm still waiting for days when it's hot enough to sit outside in the evenings.
Well done to the England Women's team for winning their first ever World Cup knockout game. They will play Canada in the Quarter Finals on Saturday night at half past midnight. Looking at the schedules could this be promoted to BBC One?
As for Ripper Street, I dont know what kind of window Amazon has, but I am surprised its taking the BBC this long to air it.
Ripper Street is currently airing a re-run of series 1 and series 2 on UKTV Drama (aka Drama) on Thursdays at 10pm. This week's episode is series 2 episode 7, so it may well be that series 3 starts on BBC1 shortly afterwards.
BBC One
19:00 The One Show: 3.79m (21.5%)
20:00 EastEnders: 6.48m (32.2%)
22:00 BBC News at Ten: 4.07m (23.4%)
BBC Two
20:00 The £100k House: The Final Fix: 1.44m (7.1%)
21:00 Japan: Earth's Enchanted Island: 2.66m (13.2%)
22:00 Episodes: 0.85m (4.9%)
Channel 4 (exc. +1)
20:00 Dispatches: The Great British Property Divide: 0.73m (3.7%)
20:30 Gadget Man: 0.61m (3.0%)
21:00 Kevin McCloud's Escape to the Wild: 1.55m (7.7%)
BBC Three
20:00 Don't Tell the Bride: 0.39m (1.9%)
21:00 Russell Howard's Good News: 0.45m (2.2%)
21:30 Women's World Cup: Norway v England: 1.39m (10.7%)
ITV2 (exc. +1)
19:00 You've Been Framed!: 0.23m (1.3%)
20:30 Two and a Half Men: 0.22m (1.1%)
21:00 Love Island: 0.44m (2.2%)
E4 (exc. +1)
19:00 Hollyoaks: 0.60m (3.4%)
21:00 Made in Chelsea: 0.48m (2.4%)
22:00 My Mad Fat Diary: 0.32m (2.1%)
Well done to the England Women's team for winning their first ever World Cup knockout game. They will play Canada in the Quarter Finals on Saturday night at half past midnight. Looking at the schedules could this be promoted to BBC One?
They could do, but at that time of night I wouldn't consider it much of a promotion; BBC Three would quite often be the highest-rated channel then anyway. However that's mainly down to Family Guy. As Three are showing Glastonbury and both quarter-finals (as things stand) there are no episodes of Family Guy scheduled for Saturday which is very unusual.
Good figure for the England game on BBC Three. One hopes they continue and make it to the final. Would be nice to see the media and public get behind the women.
Not a bad rating for EastEnders last night, was it major in terms of story or was this weather related? BBC Two's Japan documentary is once again very high, a real consistent rater. But the standout rating of the night was for the England game on BBC Three. Channel 4 had a mixed night with Gadget Man seemingly now gone the same way as The Gadget Show but Kevin McCloud's show is doing very well. Solid enough for C5 but nothing stands out, as has been the case for several weeks. Interesting to see Love Island up these past two nights, can it keep that going? Still managed to get beaten by Made in Chelsea however, which added a lot more.
I'm not sure whether you're disagreeing with me that the BBC and the people making JS&MN could have been thinking the way I suggested (which included the thought that fantasy was mainstream and everyone loved GoT) or whether you just disagree with those ideas.
I'm saying that if they did think JS&MN would be a GoT for BBC One, they were massively mistaken, because fantasy isn't 9pm Sunday night viewing on a mainstream channel. If it was, JS&MN would not be getting the ratings it has.
Is GoT a massive international hit? Sure. But it's from HBO, ergo it's not targeted at the same audience that watches Death In Paradise, New Tricks or Poldark. It also has the advantage of being set in a fictional world, whereas JS&MN puts a fantasy spin on real events - which isn't exactly the most straightforward concept for an audience not devoted to fantasy tropes to grasp.
Additionally, JS&MN isn't a rites of passage story in the way the Harry Potter books are, nor is there any eye candy in there (and people will watch for that - like it or not!). In other words, there aren't really any concessions to non-fantasy fans.
There is no evidence of fantasy shows playing well at 9pm on BBC One or ITV: look at Eternal Law or Outcasts. So, as far as that slot on those channels go, fantasy clearly isn't mainstream …
I totally agree that the BBC should take risks - but JS&MN was, as I and many others have said, never going to be a BBC One show … and the public reaction backs that up.
Love Island is actually holding better than expected after a poor first week. Women's WC doing well too. Fantastic as always for Japan and BB down a bit to around 1.1m with +1 again
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That said it was first programme featured in BBC1's 2015 showreel straight after the new year fireworks.
We have only partial information in the public domain, as the ITV HD and ITV+1 figures did not make BARB's top 10s, and neither did the first episode consolidate by enough to enter Broadcast magazine's rundown of the top 30 most recorded shows (+440k was required).
These are the figures I could find:
Vicious Series 2
Episode 1
Overnight: 2.99m (14.1%) exc +1 / 3.09m (14.6%) inc +1
Consolidated: 3.00m exc HD & +1
Episode 2
Overnight: 2.26m (10.6%) exc +1 / 2.35m (11.0%) inc +1
Consolidated: 2.40m exc HD & +1
Episode 3
Overnight: 2.39m (11.5%) exc +1 / 2.52m (12.1%) inc +1
I would estimate that first two episodes consolidated to ~3.4m exc +1 / ~3.5m inc +1, and 2.7m exc +1 / 2.8m inc +1.
As for the repeats, all I can tell you (using Broadcast magazine's top 10 comedy chart) is that the second one on 12 June overnighted to 1.01m or fewer. (Not terribly helpful as we wouldn't necessarily expect it to get a million when the News at Ten often barely does that!)
That means nothing in this age, Why watch rubbish like Corrie where you watch anything you want on the internet? YouTube has far more entertaining videos then the dull acting on the soaps these days. Then we have things like games and books which may be better to do.
It really does. Some people (like me) enjoy the soaps. Not everyone watches them out of habit. I'm enjoying Emmerdale at the moment (I've watched it for more than 15 years but I don't just sit through it when it's bad, I stopped watching for a while in 2011/2012.)
When the weather is bad, the soaps go up (as do all shows more or less). Coronation Street was getting 7.5m or more in January when the weather was cold, now it's down to the low 6 millions.
Proof:
Coronation Street January Average: 7.69m
EastEnders January Average: 7.26m
Emmerdale January Average: 6.36m
Coronation Street May Average: 6.77m
EastEnders May Average: 5.85m
Emmerdale May Average: 5.46m
Which week are you using as the equivalent week for BB last year? Sometimes the partial week at the start of this year's BB is counted as Week 1, with the first full week as Week 2; but in other cases, the two are combined into a long Week 1. (Last year's partial week was shorter and I think I've always seen it combined with the first full week.)
I'm not sure whether you're disagreeing with me that the BBC and the people making JS&MN could have been thinking the way I suggested (which included the thought that fantasy was mainstream and everyone loved GoT) or whether you just disagree with those ideas.
Ep 1 - 6.3m/6.7m
Ep 2 - 4.2m/4.4m
Ep 3 - 3.00m/3.28m
Ep 4 - 2.9m/3.1m
Ep 5 - 2.8m/3.0m
Ep 6 - 3.0m/3.1m
Again, many consolidated HD and +1 figures are missing so I've had to estimate - except for episode 3 (whose official rating I posted on this thread at the time as I had BARB access).
Also that Humans consolidated rating is insane!
Answered your own question there ;-)
Seriously though, fantastic for BW, and S&N is a mega-flop of astonishing proportions, making The White Queen two years back look good. Thank God there's only one more to go.
Iv sat through three Norrells now on catch-up and tbh I don't think its bad. Winter nights on BBC2 is where it should have gone maybe but its sad its dipped so dreadfully low. Perhaps if they had managed to get Harry Potter into the title somewhere it might have rated better
I agree with you there. I'm still waiting for days when it's hot enough to sit outside in the evenings.
http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a654260/no-offence-is-renewed-for-a-second-series-by-channel-4.html#~pgnLchgpClzGzI
Ripper Street is currently airing a re-run of series 1 and series 2 on UKTV Drama (aka Drama) on Thursdays at 10pm. This week's episode is series 2 episode 7, so it may well be that series 3 starts on BBC1 shortly afterwards.
BBC One
19:00 The One Show: 3.79m (21.5%)
20:00 EastEnders: 6.48m (32.2%)
22:00 BBC News at Ten: 4.07m (23.4%)
BBC Two
20:00 The £100k House: The Final Fix: 1.44m (7.1%)
21:00 Japan: Earth's Enchanted Island: 2.66m (13.2%)
22:00 Episodes: 0.85m (4.9%)
Channel 4 (exc. +1)
20:00 Dispatches: The Great British Property Divide: 0.73m (3.7%)
20:30 Gadget Man: 0.61m (3.0%)
21:00 Kevin McCloud's Escape to the Wild: 1.55m (7.7%)
Channel 5 (exc. +1)
20:00 Kicking Off: Caught on Camera: 0.89m (4.4%)
21:00 Inside Manchester's Midland Hotel: 0.93m (4.6%)
22:00 Big Brother: 1.01m (6.5%)
BBC Three
20:00 Don't Tell the Bride: 0.39m (1.9%)
21:00 Russell Howard's Good News: 0.45m (2.2%)
21:30 Women's World Cup: Norway v England: 1.39m (10.7%)
ITV2 (exc. +1)
19:00 You've Been Framed!: 0.23m (1.3%)
20:30 Two and a Half Men: 0.22m (1.1%)
21:00 Love Island: 0.44m (2.2%)
E4 (exc. +1)
19:00 Hollyoaks: 0.60m (3.4%)
21:00 Made in Chelsea: 0.48m (2.4%)
22:00 My Mad Fat Diary: 0.32m (2.1%)
Source: Broadcast.
They could do, but at that time of night I wouldn't consider it much of a promotion; BBC Three would quite often be the highest-rated channel then anyway. However that's mainly down to Family Guy. As Three are showing Glastonbury and both quarter-finals (as things stand) there are no episodes of Family Guy scheduled for Saturday which is very unusual.
I'm saying that if they did think JS&MN would be a GoT for BBC One, they were massively mistaken, because fantasy isn't 9pm Sunday night viewing on a mainstream channel. If it was, JS&MN would not be getting the ratings it has.
Is GoT a massive international hit? Sure. But it's from HBO, ergo it's not targeted at the same audience that watches Death In Paradise, New Tricks or Poldark. It also has the advantage of being set in a fictional world, whereas JS&MN puts a fantasy spin on real events - which isn't exactly the most straightforward concept for an audience not devoted to fantasy tropes to grasp.
Additionally, JS&MN isn't a rites of passage story in the way the Harry Potter books are, nor is there any eye candy in there (and people will watch for that - like it or not!). In other words, there aren't really any concessions to non-fantasy fans.
There is no evidence of fantasy shows playing well at 9pm on BBC One or ITV: look at Eternal Law or Outcasts. So, as far as that slot on those channels go, fantasy clearly isn't mainstream …
I totally agree that the BBC should take risks - but JS&MN was, as I and many others have said, never going to be a BBC One show … and the public reaction backs that up.
Today could be your lucky evening. ;-)
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s3/coronation-street/news/a654474/uk-tv-ratings-coronation-street-christening-drama-brings-in-69m.html#~pgqlVMuSJL5Wpn
6.9m for Corrie at 7.30pm
Funny Old Week 1.32m +85k