What is the "accepted" income before people can have a family?
Do you realize just how crass that sounds?
Are children only the right of rich people?
Little thing called common sense - there was a time when people avoided having children until they could afford it - now we are in a situation whereby people are having children knowing that if they cannot afford it Nanny State will pick up the tab.
Further those who are having 5 or 6 children and taking benefits for each one - why did they not stop earlier because the money used to pay for the extra child is taking money from someone else who may actually need it.
It's not only workers with kids who can't afford to live on their wages! Rents are out of control. Besides which, it's not "free", given that I've been paying into it for years.
Doesn't surprise me. The economy is growing. He stayed the course. Even when told by Labour we were heading for doom and he needed a plan b he never budged from plan a. And it appears to have worked. So why shouldn't he have a good approval rating? He could have done a lot worse. Yes, not everyone is enjoying the fruits of the recovery.. but at least we have a recovery.
Indeed when David Cameron scores minus 7; Ed Miliband is on a minus 35; Nick Clegg is on minus 42; and Nigel Farage minus 1. In that respect I think this bit of the article has the ring of truth
Almost two fifths of those polled – 39 per cent – said that they thought the Conservatives were the team they would most trust to run the economy, compared with only 19 per cent who said Labour.
Little thing called common sense - there was a time when people avoided having children until they could afford it - now we are in a situation whereby people are having children knowing that if they cannot afford it Nanny State will pick up the tab.
Further those who are having 5 or 6 children and taking benefits for each one - why did they not stop earlier because the money used to pay for the extra child is taking money from someone else who may actually need it.
When was this then
Ah now we get to people on benefits having loads of kids
Your stock of clichés is never ending
Well I am 50 next month and when I was younger such things were a given - you did things when you could afford it.
Ah now we get to people on benefits having loads of kids
I was answering the point you raised - it is common sense to do things when you can afford them - it is a question of common sense not rights - and there is no right to have children and it is no more fair to have more than you can afford; neither for the children you have, nor the people whose taxes are paying for them.
Your stock of clichés is never ending
Well there are 60,000 families on benefits with 5 or more children so they do exist.
Figures from the Department for Work and Pensions, released under the Freedom of Information Act, show of 66,580 large families on out-of-work benefits, 13,670 parents claim jobseeker’s allowance and 17,000 claim sickness benefits.
Well I am 50 next month and when I was younger such things were a given - you did things when you could afford it.
I was answering the point you raised - it is common sense to do things when you can afford them - it is a question of common sense not rights - and there is no right to have children and it is no more fair to have more than you can afford; neither for the children you have, nor the people whose taxes are paying for them.
Well there are 60,000 families on benefits with 5 or more children so they do exist.
Well I am 50 next month and when I was younger such things were a given - you did things when you could afford it.
I was answering the point you raised - it is common sense to do things when you can afford them - it is a question of common sense not rights - and there is no right to have children and it is no more fair to have more than you can afford; neither for the children you have, nor the people whose taxes are paying for them.
Well there are 60,000 families on benefits with 5 or more children so they do exist.
How many of the 60,000 families had jobs when they had children?
You are fifty now So when exactly was this golden period where people only had children once they could "afford" it?
It is interesting to note that there were 39,580, so between May 2011 and 2012 the coalition oversaw a 68% rise. The vast majority on out of work benefits (who have had kids...it doesn't show those with no kids) had 1 or 2 kids.
The boy took from the poor & infirm to protect his buddies & his millions. Yeah, great boy.
Indeed, and he lied when claiming that disabled people will be protected from the 2 year benefit freeze when none of those who receive ESA payments will be protected, including the most seriously disabled people. If Duncan Smith has his way after the next election then the Tory Party's favourite targets will be hit even harder.
It is a sad indictment of our politicians that Osborne is the least hated in this poll.
Kinda. Or at least, people with the wherewithal to look after them and not expect the state to take more of a hand than it does.
Well the more people working than ever before but more needing housing benefit, Housing benefit claimants in work double
2 October 2014 | By Kate Youde
The number of middle-income earners relying on housing benefit to keep their homes has risen by 350,000 since 2008, a report has found.
Download the National Housing Federation report Broken Market, Broken Dreams
Download the National Housing Federation report Broken Market, Broken Dreams
National Housing Federation (NHF) research show that middle-income households earning between £20,000 and £30,000 a year accounted for two-thirds of all new housing benefit claims during the past six years.
The report, ‘Broken Market, Broken Dreams’, which used data from the Department for Work and Pensions and the English Housing Survey, showed the proportion of households having to claim housing benefit despite being in work has doubled to 22% since 2008. The federation predicts this figure could rise to one in three in the next five years.
It suggested increasing housing costs were behind the rise in middle-income claimants and also highlighted the impact of years of only building half the number of homes needed, stagnant wages and more people renting privately due to a critical shortage of affordable homes.
Between November 2008 and May 2014, there were 570,000 new households claiming housing benefit who were also in work, the equivalent of almost 300 households per day. That increase in working claimants accounted for more than three-quarters (79%) of new housing benefit claims made over that time.
David Orr, chief executive of the NHF, said: ‘Our shortage of affordable housing is now leaving families on a decent wage unable to cover the cost of their homes. This isn’t sustainable or right.
‘In the 1970s, around 80% of government housing spend went on building homes with about 20% on housing benefits, but today it’s the other way round. Billions of pounds being spent on housing benefit is just a costly sticking plaster. What we need is a long-term solution to build the affordable homes we need, so that hard working families can support themselves.
‘Politicians need to address the problems of the housing market now, and commit to ending the housing crisis for a generation.’
Ironic then that when the IMF was telling Osborne to change course those on the left were shouting the loudest. Now they have turned around and said that Osborne was right then attack the IMF.
Simple fact is you cannot help the needy in a society or have raising wages without a growing economy. and these things lag anyway.
And no doubt the excuse after that will another downturn and then things will lag again until the next downturn, and so on.
IMF praising Osborne for doing more to increase the wealth of the already wealthy and attacks the EU for not being in austerity measures that do the same there. I'd damn George to hell if I believed in the place.
I do not believe for one moment the rich are any richer than before Osborne took over and turned the economy, which was well on it's way to hell in a handcart. Why can people not accept that it is not acceptable to keep spewing rubbish when quite clearly the biggest money lender to nations worldwide congratulates the UK chancellor and encourages other nations to follow suit.
Accept it, like him or not, indeed like or not this coalition, but they have turned the UK from the basket case it had become under Labour into a state others can only hope to emulate.
And before anyone starts, I do not care one jot if the entire government went to Eton, Birmingham poly, had no qualification s or were brought up in the sewers, they have had the courage under the most trying hecklers and naysayers to stay the course. The fact remains that I would rather they were in charge than Labour the Nation wreckers.
Funny how there hasn't been a squeak out of Labour but lots of trolling here.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to seeing an investigation into the appalling behaviour online by some trolls re Madeleines Parents and am very pleased the authorities are looking into this. It will be interesting if they read some of what I see on the boards.
What you said above bears no resemblance to the link I posted.
What a load of rubbish No wonder people are sick of politics if this is the sort of crap that is spewed out and people are meant to accept it
Millions of people are busting a gut, working long hours and being paid a pittance with tax credits and housing benefit having to be paid because wages are so low
If you can sit there and seriously say that feeding our money to a corporation to make even more money is sensible then you are out of touch big time
Oh my word, do you not understand that it is the Private sector which funds the State sector.
In what Utopia can we not invest to raise money which in turn must pay for this bellyaching midwife?
Surely you can see that all workers in the Private sector and the State sector have suffered under the austerity measures.
Oh my word, do you not understand that it is the Private sector which funds the State sector.
In what Utopia can we not invest to raise money which in turn must pay for this bellyaching midwife?
Surely you can see that all workers in the Private sector and the State sector have suffered under the austerity measures.
Thought it was the midwife who eased the bellyaching
So in your view everybody should just grin and bear it whilst those at the top who caused the bloody shambles in the first place continue along their merry way Not much of a plan really
Thought it was the midwife who eased the bellyaching
So in your view everybody should just grin and bear it whilst those at the top who caused the bloody shambles in the first place continue along their merry way Not much of a plan really
You missed the point, everyone has suffered the austerity measures, it was your singling out of midwives that made it one dimensional.
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What is the "accepted" income before people can have a family?
Do you realize just how crass that sounds?
Are children only the right of rich people?
Little thing called common sense - there was a time when people avoided having children until they could afford it - now we are in a situation whereby people are having children knowing that if they cannot afford it Nanny State will pick up the tab.
Further those who are having 5 or 6 children and taking benefits for each one - why did they not stop earlier because the money used to pay for the extra child is taking money from someone else who may actually need it.
It's not only workers with kids who can't afford to live on their wages! Rents are out of control. Besides which, it's not "free", given that I've been paying into it for years.
Indeed when David Cameron scores minus 7; Ed Miliband is on a minus 35; Nick Clegg is on minus 42; and Nigel Farage minus 1. In that respect I think this bit of the article has the ring of truth
When was this then
Ah now we get to people on benefits having loads of kids
Your stock of clichés is never ending
Well I am 50 next month and when I was younger such things were a given - you did things when you could afford it.
I was answering the point you raised - it is common sense to do things when you can afford them - it is a question of common sense not rights - and there is no right to have children and it is no more fair to have more than you can afford; neither for the children you have, nor the people whose taxes are paying for them.
Well there are 60,000 families on benefits with 5 or more children so they do exist.
see http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/453766/REVEALED-The-60-000-families-with-5-plus-kids-living-on-benefits
What benefits do the other 35,910 families claim?
The boy took from the poor & infirm to protect his buddies & his millions. Yeah, great boy.
How many of the 60,000 families had jobs when they had children?
You are fifty now So when exactly was this golden period where people only had children once they could "afford" it?
The FOI request from the Express:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/270406/foi-2013-5434.pdf
Those figures were as at May 2012.
Another FOI request has the same figures, but as at May 2011:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/223241/foi_3222_2012.pdf
It is interesting to note that there were 39,580, so between May 2011 and 2012 the coalition oversaw a 68% rise. The vast majority on out of work benefits (who have had kids...it doesn't show those with no kids) had 1 or 2 kids.
Indeed, and he lied when claiming that disabled people will be protected from the 2 year benefit freeze when none of those who receive ESA payments will be protected, including the most seriously disabled people. If Duncan Smith has his way after the next election then the Tory Party's favourite targets will be hit even harder.
It is a sad indictment of our politicians that Osborne is the least hated in this poll.
Kinda. Or at least, people with the wherewithal to look after them and not expect the state to take more of a hand than it does.
So have you got a figure as to how much money a couple should have before having a child?
Well the more people working than ever before but more needing housing benefit, Housing benefit claimants in work double
2 October 2014 | By Kate Youde
The number of middle-income earners relying on housing benefit to keep their homes has risen by 350,000 since 2008, a report has found.
Download the National Housing Federation report Broken Market, Broken Dreams
Download the National Housing Federation report Broken Market, Broken Dreams
National Housing Federation (NHF) research show that middle-income households earning between £20,000 and £30,000 a year accounted for two-thirds of all new housing benefit claims during the past six years.
The report, ‘Broken Market, Broken Dreams’, which used data from the Department for Work and Pensions and the English Housing Survey, showed the proportion of households having to claim housing benefit despite being in work has doubled to 22% since 2008. The federation predicts this figure could rise to one in three in the next five years.
It suggested increasing housing costs were behind the rise in middle-income claimants and also highlighted the impact of years of only building half the number of homes needed, stagnant wages and more people renting privately due to a critical shortage of affordable homes.
Between November 2008 and May 2014, there were 570,000 new households claiming housing benefit who were also in work, the equivalent of almost 300 households per day. That increase in working claimants accounted for more than three-quarters (79%) of new housing benefit claims made over that time.
David Orr, chief executive of the NHF, said: ‘Our shortage of affordable housing is now leaving families on a decent wage unable to cover the cost of their homes. This isn’t sustainable or right.
‘In the 1970s, around 80% of government housing spend went on building homes with about 20% on housing benefits, but today it’s the other way round. Billions of pounds being spent on housing benefit is just a costly sticking plaster. What we need is a long-term solution to build the affordable homes we need, so that hard working families can support themselves.
‘Politicians need to address the problems of the housing market now, and commit to ending the housing crisis for a generation.’
And no doubt the excuse after that will another downturn and then things will lag again until the next downturn, and so on.
I do not believe for one moment the rich are any richer than before Osborne took over and turned the economy, which was well on it's way to hell in a handcart. Why can people not accept that it is not acceptable to keep spewing rubbish when quite clearly the biggest money lender to nations worldwide congratulates the UK chancellor and encourages other nations to follow suit.
Accept it, like him or not, indeed like or not this coalition, but they have turned the UK from the basket case it had become under Labour into a state others can only hope to emulate.
And before anyone starts, I do not care one jot if the entire government went to Eton, Birmingham poly, had no qualification s or were brought up in the sewers, they have had the courage under the most trying hecklers and naysayers to stay the course. The fact remains that I would rather they were in charge than Labour the Nation wreckers.
Funny how there hasn't been a squeak out of Labour but lots of trolling here.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to seeing an investigation into the appalling behaviour online by some trolls re Madeleines Parents and am very pleased the authorities are looking into this. It will be interesting if they read some of what I see on the boards.
What you said above bears no resemblance to the link I posted.
Oh my word, do you not understand that it is the Private sector which funds the State sector.
In what Utopia can we not invest to raise money which in turn must pay for this bellyaching midwife?
Surely you can see that all workers in the Private sector and the State sector have suffered under the austerity measures.
Well in September 2014 real term wages rose by 1.9% through August compared with a CPI inflation figure of 1.5 per cent for the period. Advertised salaries rose to an average of £34,463 last month, up 1.9 per cent from £33,873 in August last year
So still far lower than the cost of living is rising then.
They were not included
poll data
Thought it was the midwife who eased the bellyaching
So in your view everybody should just grin and bear it whilst those at the top who caused the bloody shambles in the first place continue along their merry way Not much of a plan really
You missed the point, everyone has suffered the austerity measures, it was your singling out of midwives that made it one dimensional.
Some a lot more than others or do you swallow "We're all in it together" nonsense?
Mentioned the midwives because they are being refused a 1% pay rise