Childrens TV on BBC1-days numbered?

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,010
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    mossy2103 wrote: »
    How very dare you! :mad:

    Why the rather aggressive tone there? Am I not allowed an opinion on a discussion forum at all? You express anger because I have an opinion and dare to express that opinion?

    He was being jocular, quoting a recent BBC comedy series. There's no need to get het up about everything. You needn't be so bloody earnest. No-one's out to get you.

    Anyway, as a sad bastard, I still watch Childrens Television (mind you, I'm in my early 20's I can pretend I'm being ironic aqs opposed to enjoying sitting around in my pants watching colours and shapes at 6am), and the qaulity of the BBC's programmes for children has, in my opinion mind, declined dramatically. On CBBC1 today, Sarah Jane Adventures is I'd say the strongest programme by quite some distance. Offset by the utter turd which is Get 100. The CBBC channel today is somewhat weak as well with three showings of Basil Brush. Could someone tell me if they were the same episode please, as I missed the first 2. Mind you, CBBC has stopped relying on Tracy Beaker as a means to plug any gap in the schedule as much.

    Should all childrens progamming after DSO be shunted onto CBBC and Cbeebies? I'd say no, otherwise let's shunt all the news on BBC news, all intelligent programming onto BBC four, and all utter shite I refuse to watch on BBC three. I don't see what wrong with a 2 hour block a day on BBC One. And what would they replace it with anyway? More Van Dyke? More bloody cooking?

    Well, I've just rambled and forgotten my original point. Marvellous.
  • djonshoredjonshore Posts: 4,758
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    I can't see how CBBC and CBeebies can leave BBC one and BBC TWO until at least the switch-over is complete.

    Isn't it part of BBC's charter to cover Childrens programming on one of the main two channels as it has to comit to its PSB requirements.

    Same goes for ITV, Channel 4, S4/C and five, although Childrens programming has recently been relaxed for commercial broadcasters in recent years. ITV is a noticable example of this.

    What the BBC could do and I reckon they will do in-time is to move all Childrens programming to BBC TWO. Leaving BBC one to adopt a daytime schedule ITV currently holds.

    Its a shame that BBC Switch launched to late IMO, if it was around in say 2002, then programmes like Grange Hill, Byker Grove and anyother programmes at the time aiming for over 12 year olds could have left CBBC and moved to the BBC Switch segmant.

    Grange Hill could have stayed the same as it was pre-2003, before the School blew up then I reckon it would be still on our screens for many years to come.
  • djonshoredjonshore Posts: 4,758
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    welsh_Gaz wrote: »
    Should all childrens progamming after DSO be shunted onto CBBC and Cbeebies? I'd say no, otherwise let's shunt all the news on BBC news, all intelligent programming onto BBC four, and all utter shite I refuse to watch on BBC three. I don't see what wrong with a 2 hour block a day on BBC One. And what would they replace it with anyway? More Van Dyke? More bloody cooking?

    The question is if everything got shunted into genre channels, would there be any point on having BBC one, BBC TWO, BBC Three and BBC FOUR?

    If everything went all you would have on these four channels would be the Test Card 'F' and BBC Ceefax pages :D
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,010
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    Sadly enough, I would watch "BBC Ceefax".
  • emailsemails Posts: 11,275
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    welsh_Gaz wrote: »
    Sadly enough, I would watch "BBC Ceefax".
    i think thats getting phased as well
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,010
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    Bugger.
  • emailsemails Posts: 11,275
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    well if you think about it ceefax is anolgue ,the newer verson you get now by pressing your red bottom is the new DSO verson. but you will probably still get what you had on ceefax on digital . channel 4 for exsample has moved its family tree lost touch service from anologue to the DSO digital verson:)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,010
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    I just wanted the nice Jazz and stuff at 4am!
  • emailsemails Posts: 11,275
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    welsh_Gaz wrote: »
    I just wanted the nice Jazz and stuff at 4am!


    whats that when its at home:confused:
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,934
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    It's what happens when society changes, concepts that seemed impregnable just fade away.

    The "TV channel" that people just sit and watch is of the past, children/young people will be the ones more likely to involved in a change to a new way of doing things.


    Creating more channels to try and reach viewers is just moving the deckchairs on that big ship, the concept of the channel to deliver TV is DEAD.


    If broadband were already in every home then conventional channels would already have died for a younger generation anyway. The channel concept is incredibly frustrating. What is needed is "programmes on demand" with great ease of use, not computer based.

    I'm sure the BBC realise this. The problem is, of course, that a move towards unlimited programmes on demand would spell the end of the BBC.

    And yet radio still exists, despite the fact we can all download absolutely buckets of music.
    I'm convinced that although the ability to select programmes on demand will take a sizable chunk of the broadcast market. TV channels as we know them will still exist in twenty years time, because people frequently want other people to take programming decisions for them.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,010
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    emails wrote: »
    whats that when its at home:confused:

    Not porn! You know, when Ceefax is on BBC2 at about 4am, with the funky music, and it's hypnotising. And you put 152 on your teletext to see if it's going the same rate as Ceefax and it doesn't and you realise you are wasting your life.
  • STEVE 03STEVE 03 Posts: 7,856
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    Ceefax, as good as it is, is a thing of the past and should now be put to rest by the BBC and BBC2 are already beginning to dumb down Ceefax screenings by showing late night movies. I was shocked to see last Sunday BBC2 showing old movies from 1.30am up until 4.35am which I thought was very unusual for a Sunday night/Monday morning.
    CBBC programming I reckon will be somewhat reduced after the DSO in 2012 and most if not all CBBC programming will be switched to BBC2 completely. I think they should completely remove CBBC from BBC2 on Saturday mornings though. I think BBC2 needs to introduce an entirely new schedule on Saturday mornings and create it's own identity, maybe make Saturday morning a morning to show old movies or documentaries maybe.
  • philenglandphilengland Posts: 8,176
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    after the digital switch over all childrens things can be taken off BBC One and Two as everyone will have access to CBBC and Cbeebies
  • emailsemails Posts: 11,275
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    welsh_Gaz wrote: »
    Not porn! You know, when Ceefax is on BBC2 at about 4am, with the funky music, and it's hypnotising. And you put 152 on your teletext to see if it's going the same rate as Ceefax and it doesn't and you realise you are wasting your life.

    yes i had that feeling years ago as a young lad ,but relised theres more to life than jus sitting infront of the telly glued to ceefax.the only way you'll get ceefax today is via the text button but that will become digital after DSO from next year.
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    emails wrote: »
    yes i had that feeling years ago as a young lad ,but relised theres more to life than jus sitting infront of the telly glued to ceefax.the only way you'll get ceefax today is via the text button but that will become digital after DSO from next year.

    Well, that told me.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,121
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    mossy2103 wrote: »
    Before the doom & gloom merchants take over, once DSO has arrived across all regions, then there is no reason at all for childrens' programming to appear on BBC1 or BBC2, as everyone will have access to Cbbc and Cbeebies, and (if the BBC is able to get additional capacity) the broadcast hours will have been increased (allowing for a greater range of programming). And as childrens' programming is a major part of PSB, then of course it is going to remain.

    Once DSO has arrived across all regions, there is no reason at all for CBBC and Cbeebies not to be on BBC1 or BBC2.


    As all the daytime shows currently on BBC1 will be backhand shuffled and sold to the BBC/Virgin channels why not cut out the middle England TV taxpaying man or woman having to pay twice.

    CBBC and Cbeebies should be always be on BBC1 and BBC2 (or red button on BBC1 or BBC2)
  • PeterBPeterB Posts: 9,487
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    Gawd wrote: »
    Once DSO has arrived across all regions, there is no reason at all for CBBC and Cbeebies not to be on BBC1 or BBC2.


    As all the daytime shows currently on BBC1 will be backhand shuffled and sold to the BBC/Virgin channels why not cut out the middle England TV taxpaying man or woman having to pay twice.

    CBBC and Cbeebies should be always be on BBC1 and BBC2 (or red button on BBC1 or BBC2)

    Paying twice??? CBBC and CBeebies are, and will be, on separate channels.
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    Bob22A wrote: »
    It could really ditch one of the childrens channels.

    Most of the parents I am friends with, or my family with young children would strike you down for that. CBBC and Cbeebies are a VERY welcome break for parents from kids nagging about stuff they see in the adverts.
  • STEVE 03STEVE 03 Posts: 7,856
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    One way I suppose to get around this would be for the CBBC and CBeebies channels to be closed, that way both CBBC and Cbeebies could remain on BBC1 and BBC2.
    The BBC could always replace the two kids channels with new ventures such as BBC Switch or maybe even a BBC movie channel perhaps.
    Although I would love to see BBC2 reducing the amount of CBBC programming each weekday morning. Five straight hours of kids programmes EVERY morning is boring scheduling I feel. Why not reduce CBBC from 6am to 11am to a new 6am to 9am slot instead, allowing more factual programming or perhaps movies to be shown instead.
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    PeterB wrote: »
    Paying twice??? CBBC and CBeebies are, and will be, on separate channels.
    I also have Dave, UK TV History and Virgin1 and don't pay for their content, nor do I pay a subscription.
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    STEVE 03 wrote: »
    One way I suppose to get around this would be for the CBBC and CBeebies channels to be closed, that way both CBBC and Cbeebies could remain on BBC1 and BBC2.
    Only for the time when a slot in the schedule is available of course, and that would be no more than a couple of hours a day.

    The BBC could always replace the two kids channels with new ventures such as BBC Switch or maybe even a BBC movie channel perhaps.
    Yes, they could, assuming that

    a) The DCMS is in agreement

    b) It passes the necessary Public Value Test

    c) The BBC Trust passes it

    d) There is sufficient funding available for it

    e) and finally (and most importantly for a movie channel) there is sufficient material available for it
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