You do realise that's exactly how the extremists think right? The whole "You're a target because of your religion, leave it else" mentality? You realise it plays exactly into the hands of the bad people who are attempting to whip up such extreme views in young and vulnerable people who are easily led? The bad people who suggest the West is out to "get" Muslims and there is a crusade against Islam? You're fuelling that fire of ignorance.
It sounds like no denunciation of events like this from Muslims is good enough for you no matter how strongly worded it is.
I don't doubt that the unqualified apologies are genuine but it's not a question of apologies; its a question of Muslims accepting that it's Islam as a faith, rather than (i) the tooth fairy or (ii) jews (shopping for the sabbath or otherwise) That are ultimately responsible for radical Islamism.
Of course, The Roman Catholic Church authorised the Crusades which was merely an extension of that which ISIS, Al quaeda or whoever seek but that was, literally, in the Middle Ages. Humanity has (or should have) moved on.
not doubting you but a lot of those links don't work , wonder if they've been removed ... ?
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They're not are they.
Ummah and muslim youth forums aren't working either.
Call me a cynic but I think somebody doesn't want Muslim hotheads on forums putting them in a very bad light.
Has anybody got a link to any Muslim forum that hasn't shut up shop, where they are discussing the days events?
I've heard a lot of opinions in the media online personally, and I still really don't know what the answer is, what's the best way forward.
One blogger made the, I believe valid point, that however tragic this is, it's small fry compared to the amount of civilian muslim casualties bombed and shot by western troops over the years, and another pointed out that usually when some provocative image is published and sparks uproar it's usually muslims that die in the subsequent riots. The point being that if you're going to exercise your freedom of expression and know that the consequences may well lead to loss of life, is that really about free speech or making a point responibly.
On the other hand I cannot get my head around the idea that any cultural, religious, societal icon, no matter how deeply revered, can be used to justify cold blooded murder.
That's it, I don't have an opinion, just tons of conflicting thoughts and feelings going around in my head.
Ummah and muslim youth forums aren't working either.
Call me a cynic but I think somebody doesn't want Muslim hotheads on forums putting them in a very bad light.
Has anybody got a link to any Muslim forum that hasn't shut up shop, where they are discussing the days events?
I wonder if it's DDOS attacks. Hackers said they were going to target Islamist sites.
There is a commonly held belief that Islam the religion isn't responsible for producing an endless stream of monsters, who kill and maim, when it clearly is. And that the issue lies with 'extremists'and radicals' - as if they are are a seperate entity.
And that we should be cautious when being critical of Islam, just in case it leads to more terrorist recruits. But Islam has every right to be criticised and 'demonised' for producing these barbaric murderers - it is not above criticism.
And of course events in Paris will lead to some kind of backlash against all Parisian muslims to a degree, innocent or otherwise.
But that's tough, if you belong to a group (islam) that is responsible such atrocities, either leave that group, or expect others to be wary/not like you very much. It goes with the territory
I'm guessing you don't have many Muslim friends otherwise you'd have stopped before pressing 'Submit Reply' and thought again.
I nearly posted before the shootout that now might be a good time to rob a jewellers in Paris, what with the police being busy. Thought that might be rather flippant under the circumstances.
I wonder what sort of difference they expected that to make? Maybe he will be exempt from sewing mail bags but might make a good mugtree for the prison kitchen.
I've heard a lot of opinions in the media online personally, and I still really don't know what the answer is, what's the best way forward.
One blogger made the, I believe valid point, that however tragic this is, it's small fry compared to the amount of civilian muslim casualties bombed and shot by western troops over the years, and another pointed out that usually when some provocative image is published and sparks uproar it's usually muslims that die in the subsequent riots. The point being that if you're going to exercise your freedom of expression and know that the consequences may well lead to loss of life, is that really about free speech or making a point responibly.
On the other hand I cannot get my head around the idea that any cultural, religious, societal icon, no matter how deeply revered, can be used to justify cold blooded murder.
That's it, I don't have an opinion, just tons of conflicting thoughts and feelings going around in my head.
The answer is to stop feeding the beast. In this case Radical imams who used these cartoons as propaganda for terrorist recruiters and show that we in the West aren't as reactionary or hate filled as they are.
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As has been said Mohammed is a Phrophet , the Muslim for God is Allah.
I know that. Its just that Rhum's post seemed to be suggesting that there was a GOD who might not be up for ridicule.
If he were alive today, he'd be called a terrorist, in all probability.
I don't doubt that the unqualified apologies are genuine but it's not a question of apologies; its a question of Muslims accepting that it's Islam as a faith, rather than (i) the tooth fairy or (ii) jews (shopping for the sabbath or otherwise) That are ultimately responsible for radical Islamism.
Of course, The Roman Catholic Church authorised the Crusades which was merely an extension of that which ISIS, Al quaeda or whoever seek but that was, literally, in the Middle Ages. Humanity has (or should have) moved on.
That is good news no doubt some people will not be happy with that sentence.
It really was up to you to post that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4uivPpzCGo
If it's a robbery, it's probably not the cleverest thing to do, when the city's full of special forces.
They're not are they.
Ummah and muslim youth forums aren't working either.
Call me a cynic but I think somebody doesn't want Muslim hotheads on forums putting them in a very bad light.
Has anybody got a link to any Muslim forum that hasn't shut up shop, where they are discussing the days events?
probably just an opportunistic robbery - they thought all the police would be distracted and elsewhere
Indeed. Hope we never hear of him again.
One blogger made the, I believe valid point, that however tragic this is, it's small fry compared to the amount of civilian muslim casualties bombed and shot by western troops over the years, and another pointed out that usually when some provocative image is published and sparks uproar it's usually muslims that die in the subsequent riots. The point being that if you're going to exercise your freedom of expression and know that the consequences may well lead to loss of life, is that really about free speech or making a point responibly.
On the other hand I cannot get my head around the idea that any cultural, religious, societal icon, no matter how deeply revered, can be used to justify cold blooded murder.
That's it, I don't have an opinion, just tons of conflicting thoughts and feelings going around in my head.
I wonder if it's DDOS attacks. Hackers said they were going to target Islamist sites.
Why would Montpellier be full of special forces?
Surely she's either been killed or captured?
I'd be astonished if she escaped, but there's literally nothing news wise on her, strange
D'oh! I thought it was Montmartre. Ignore me
Apparently "During the sentencing, his lawyers asked the judge to take into account his missing hands and eye."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30754959
I wonder what sort of difference they expected that to make? Maybe he will be exempt from sewing mail bags but might make a good mugtree for the prison kitchen.