Didn't Take Hopkins Long 2 Put KP Down re Disabled Son

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  • ee-ayee-ay Posts: 3,963
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    Her son's treatment not the issue. Katie H said she should pay for travel costs which is fair if she can afford it she should . I live in a rural area where you are expected to make own arrangements to travel 150 mile round trip to region's hospital for routine check ups or follow ups. NHS treatment free at point of contact but travel unless an emergency admission is up to individuals where they have own/public transport :o

    Harvey's taxi is to his special school, nothing to with doctor/hospital visits.
  • Mrs TeapotMrs Teapot Posts: 124,896
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    What on earth is this NHS discussion! This is nothing to do with NHS, I am astounded at people's ignorance at this debate and I rarely say that. You really really need to research what this is all about, the comments being put on here are bloody disgraceful.
  • muggins14muggins14 Posts: 61,844
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    Mrs Teapot wrote: »
    What on earth is this NHS discussion! This is nothing to do with NHS, I am astounded at people's ignorance at this debate and I rarely say that. You really really need to research what this is all about, the comments being put on here are bloody disgraceful.
    Indeed.
  • milliejomilliejo Posts: 2,230
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    Michelle is turning out to be so right-wing I would be surprised if she was a fully paid up member of the Tea Party.

    Obama and Hillary are to the right of David Cameron, which tells you how far to the right the Tea Party is....In the US, Harvey would have been excluded from health insurance until Obama Care happened.
  • Lou17Lou17 Posts: 30,900
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    Disabled children have the access to carer/facilities/transport etc in this country. Why should Harvey be any different.

    And if we're discussing taxes kp pays enough into the kitty, more than many of us to have the same access as the rest of us. Not only is it understandable regarding her non fixed income to make such a commitment but why aren't people questioning his father's financial responsibility regarding his son? Oh but it all kp.......she's the devil to some.:D

    I'm aware of many people young and old that are disabled and have government support with vehicles, travelling etc yes too school also.
  • milliejomilliejo Posts: 2,230
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    I'm not a huge fan of Katie Price but I wonder if part of her drive to make money comes from knowing how much care Harvey needs and worrying about what might happen to him in the event of her death.

    She did say "what if something happen to me?", he isn't just blind or autistic, he is severally disabled and she knows that she will have look after him for life and Jett and Bunny too, if the relationship breaks down, she will be on her own again with five children.
  • daisydeedaisydee Posts: 39,581
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    Bagshot85 wrote: »
    I didn't mention children....
    I think we should strive to offer children the best care possible, adults too for that matter.
    Over 70s should stand at the back of the line....

    Btw, I loathe both UKIP and KH, my views are my own.
    :o You'll be old yourself one day, I hope you won't have to find out what it's like at the back of the queue. >:(
    Bagshot85 wrote: »
    Not really.
    The point is: That KP, along with others who probably contribute more in a year than most would do in a lifetime...are fully entitled to reap the benefits that are offered to the rest of the country. Amongst whom there are ppl who have never lifted a finger to contribute to the country, yet no one seems to mind them taking advantage of what is offered.

    Actually I don't think that's true, we get very upset about those who coast through life on the backs of the taxpayer.
    But this shouldn't be an entitlement issue, it should be a moral one, and someone who is worth around £40 million really ought, in this instance, fund a taxi .
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 72
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    Mrs Teapot wrote: »
    What on earth is this NHS discussion! This is nothing to do with NHS, I am astounded at people's ignorance at this debate and I rarely say that. You really really need to research what this is all about, the comments being put on here are bloody disgraceful.

    This.

    Having worked in social services before, my threshold for being surprised by people's lack of information awareness on these types of issues is quite high. However, it worries me that people are more interested in applying context for the sake of titillating a situation, rather than actually have a sensible discussion in which facts are at the forefront of debate.

    It's this type of media titillation that contributes to people's general ignorance when it comes to community care services, and it worries me how many people don't reach out for support when needed because their understanding of it has been warped by misinformation, particularly from the media sources being discussed in this thread.

    For what it's worth, I don't agree with Hopkins' stance. However, it worries me that people seem more interested in deceiving others and making up facts just for the sake of making a point to support their opinion.
  • feckitfeckit Posts: 4,303
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    Mrs Teapot wrote: »
    What on earth is this NHS discussion! This is nothing to do with NHS, I am astounded at people's ignorance at this debate and I rarely say that. You really really need to research what this is all about, the comments being put on here are bloody disgraceful.

    Spot on.

    A statement of special educational needs is very hard to get and is provided by the local authority.

    The County council's run the school transport contracts.

    Taxi companies put in a tender to take special needs children to school in an adapted disability vehicle or car if a child can walk. Whichever taxi company puts in the lowest tender gets the contract. No one I know gets £1,000 a week. The average is £500 and that is for 1 car or minibus with up to 7 kids and a school escort.

    Some parents rich or poor can get a car under the mobility scheme and use that to take a child to/from school.

    https://www.gov.uk/apply-school-transport-for-child-with-special-educational-needs-sen
  • Mrs TeapotMrs Teapot Posts: 124,896
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    muggins14 wrote: »
    Indeed.

    I thought that to some extent people realised what parents or guardians of children with special needs or indeed severe special needs had to put up with or at least emphasized (s) with such. I fear I am wrong :(

    And off to bed, again far too late. :)
  • Mrs TeapotMrs Teapot Posts: 124,896
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    LPK wrote: »
    This.

    Having worked in social services before, my threshold for being surprised by people's lack of information awareness on these types of issues is quite high. However, it worries me that people are more interested in applying context for the sake of titillating a situation, rather than actually have a sensible discussion in which facts are at the forefront of debate.

    It's this type of media titillation that contributes to people's general ignorance when it comes to community care services, and it worries me how many people don't reach out for support when needed because their understanding of it has been warped by misinformation, particularly from the media sources being discussed in this thread.

    For what it's worth, I don't agree with Hopkins' stance. However, it worries me that people seem more interested in deceiving others and making up facts just for the sake of making a point to support their opinion.
    feckit wrote: »
    Spot on.

    A statement of special educational needs is very hard to get and is provided by the local authority.

    The County council's run the school transport contracts.

    Taxi companies put in a tender to take special needs children to school in an adapted disability vehicle or car if a child can walk. Whichever taxi company puts in the lowest tender gets the contract. No one I know gets £1,000 a week. The average is £500 and that is for 1 car or minibus with up to 7 kids and a school escort.

    Some parents rich or poor can get a car under the mobility scheme and use that to take a child to/from school.

    https://www.gov.uk/apply-school-transport-for-child-with-special-educational-needs-sen

    People need to learn and understand.

    My apologies for a short reply to you both as shattered and need to be up early :)
  • milliejomilliejo Posts: 2,230
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    Randysback wrote: »
    I bet when KP said she uses an NHS carer you all said "OH that`s not on, Millionaire using the NHS as a Taxi" But then when KH said it TO HER FACE. Half of you think she`s out of order.
    Grow a pair people.. wrong is wrong and KH was brave to let her know

    No some of use are bright enough to understand what KP is talking about and why she needs an NHS carer and a specialist driver for her child. And that she will be paying for his care for life....Katie was not brave, she had her minions with her and she actually showed us how ignorant she is...KH is rich too, how about next time she has a fit, she should go to a private hospital and pay for the treatment (BTW she drinks, which does not go well with her medication.)

    Katie Price has paid a great deal for Harvey and without much help from Dwight. The fact that Harvey has so many problems means that he is entitled to help....

    BTW: Stephen Hawkings is rich too, but he still gets treated on the NHS, because they can provide the specialist care he needs and Private Hospitals don't always offer the care he would require.
  • OldnboldOldnbold Posts: 1,318
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    milliejo wrote: »
    No some of use are bright enough to understand what KP is talking about and why she needs an NHS carer and a specialist driver for her child. And that she will be paying for his care for life....Katie was not brave, she had her minions with her and she actually showed us how ignorant she is...KH is rich too, how about next time she has a fit, she should go to a private hospital and pay for the treatment (BTW she drinks, which does not go well with her medication.)

    Katie Price has paid a great deal for Harvey and without much help from Dwight. The fact that Harvey has so many problems means that he is entitled to help....

    BTW: Stephen Hawkings is rich too, but he still gets treated on the NHS, because they can provide the specialist care he needs and Private Hospitals don't always offer the care he would require.

    There are a lot of poorer people than Katie Price who have disabled children and get the same help. In this age of austerity why should a millionairess be getting help. KP's excuse was she pays a lot in tax, Everybody in this country pays tax one way or the other, I was rather disgusted that someone with her millions gets help .
  • Bagshot85Bagshot85 Posts: 8,248
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    daisydee wrote: »
    :o You'll be old yourself one day, I hope you won't have to find out what it's like at the back of the queue. >:(


    Actually I don't think that's true, we get very upset about those who coast through life on the backs of the taxpayer.
    But this shouldn't be an entitlement issue, it should be a moral one, and someone who is worth around £40 million really ought, in this instance, fund a taxi .

    If it came down to it, and there was only one bed in a hospital....would you give it to a child or someone who has lived for over 70 years? There are queues waiting in line for NHS treatment, and imo, those who are older shouldn't take the place of someone much younger.
    Also, higher earners pay more tax, but aren't entitled to certain credits, and I find that rather unfair tbh.
  • OldnboldOldnbold Posts: 1,318
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    Bagshot85 wrote: »
    If it came down to it, and there was only one bed in a hospital....would you give it to a child or someone who has lived for over 70 years? There are queues waiting in line for NHS treatment, and imo, those who are older shouldn't take the place of someone much younger.
    Also, higher earners pay more tax, but aren't entitled to certain credits, and I find that rather unfair tbh.

    To answer your question if it was a choice between me and a younger child fighting for the bed - I would throw the child out and get the bed. You are talking survival and my life is more important to me. Yes there are queues of people waiting in line for NHS treatment, and a 70y/o who has worked most of their lives is more entitled to treatment from the NHS than a child who has contributed nothing. Am I meant to feel guilty that my life means more to me than some child I have never met. Get real.
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    mitacond wrote: »
    I wonder if Michelle knows she is being used.;-):)



    Of course he is a person in his own right Katie H should be ashamed of herself.;-):)



    Omg that must have really upset Katie P.;-):)

    No what upset Katie P was a horse faced hypocrite spouting bile in her direction. It did upset Katie P AND some viewers who find her insensitivity insulting. KH feeds off predjudice and encourages ignorance from what I can see.
  • muggins14muggins14 Posts: 61,844
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    Mrs Teapot wrote: »
    I thought that to some extent people realised what parents or guardians of children with special needs or indeed severe special needs had to put up with or at least emphasized (s) with such. I fear I am wrong :(

    And off to bed, again far too late. :)
    I'm afraid empathy is in short supply these days, the new rules are to bash those below us because we can't reach those above ;)

    Goodnight ... got to sleep too, Jr's having new leg splints cast in the morning and won't want to get up with her heavy cold :(

    Sleep tight!
  • hendollhendoll Posts: 5,646
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    Oldnbold wrote: »
    To answer your question if it was a choice between me and a younger child fighting for the bed - I would throw the child out and get the bed. You are talking survival and my life is more important to me. Yes there are queues of people waiting in line for NHS treatment, and a 70y/o who has worked most of their lives is more entitled to treatment from the NHS than a child who has contributed nothing. Am I meant to feel guilty that my life means more to me than some child I have never met. Get real.
    Wow. I'm just glad that you're not in charge. Of anything, hopefully.
  • Bagshot85Bagshot85 Posts: 8,248
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    Oldnbold wrote: »
    To answer your question if it was a choice between me and a younger child fighting for the bed - I would throw the child out and get the bed. You are talking survival and my life is more important to me. Yes there are queues of people waiting in line for NHS treatment, and a 70y/o who has worked most of their lives is more entitled to treatment from the NHS than a child who has contributed nothing. Am I meant to feel guilty that my life means more to me than some child I have never met. Get real.

    You're kinda' channeling Jeremy there. :blush:

    Besides, the choice wouldn't be in your hands.
    Dems da rules.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,373
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    Hopkins is utterly repugnant ...however she thrives on negativity.Poor cow >:(
  • hendollhendoll Posts: 5,646
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    :There have been some very interesting and informative posts in this thread. I don't know much about disability allowance or how things work so I've learned something. Thanks to all :)

    The funny thing is, though, that I can just imagine KH getting bored after a few posts and calling everyone 'magnolia' because they have the brains to see that life can be quite complex. I read somewhere that she was contemplating getting into politics, not sure it it's true but honestly, she wouldn't last five minutes.
  • Nollaig79Nollaig79 Posts: 1,265
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    Katie H, was just looking for another victim to pick on..because Perez left
    Glad Katie P. didn't rise to the bait.
  • FanntastikFanntastik Posts: 12,310
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    Oldnbold wrote: »
    To answer your question if it was a choice between me and a younger child fighting for the bed - I would throw the child out and get the bed. You are talking survival and my life is more important to me. Yes there are queues of people waiting in line for NHS treatment, and a 70y/o who has worked most of their lives is more entitled to treatment from the NHS than a child who has contributed nothing. Am I meant to feel guilty that my life means more to me than some child I have never met. Get real.
    Wow. I hope you're not serious. :o How is a child meant to contribute to the NHS? Is it their fault they are not older?
  • FanntastikFanntastik Posts: 12,310
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    Oldnbold wrote: »
    There are a lot of poorer people than Katie Price who have disabled children and get the same help. In this age of austerity why should a millionairess be getting help. KP's excuse was she pays a lot in tax, Everybody in this country pays tax one way or the other, I was rather disgusted that someone with her millions gets help .
    So just because she's rich she shouldn't get help? She pays into the system; she is entitled to help for her son.

    Why are people acting as if she's claiming unemployment benefits or something?
  • SULLASULLA Posts: 149,789
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    I agree with Ms Hopkins. Millionaires should not be claiming benefits.
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