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They were on the radio, complaining about how awful their courses were, and how they did not get enough lectures or contact with tutors. Are they entitled to "value for money", now that university courses are so expensive ?
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    annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    petertard wrote: »
    They were on the radio, complaining about how awful their courses were, and how they did not get enough lectures or contact with tutors. Are they entitled to "value for money", now that university courses are so expensive ?

    yes of course and they were before too.
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    spiney2spiney2 Posts: 27,058
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    since the coalition moved all further/higher education into the private sector under worse conditions (200,000 "new jobs" magically appeared from nowhere), i dare say many staff are now somewhat disillusioned ........
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    MonsterMunch99MonsterMunch99 Posts: 2,475
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    petertard wrote: »
    They were on the radio, complaining about how awful their courses were, and how they did not get enough lectures or contact with tutors. Are they entitled to "value for money", now that university courses are so expensive ?

    Yes. Of course.
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    What a daft question. If you spend money on anything, you are entitled to value for money.
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    dd68dd68 Posts: 17,841
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    Of course they have a right to address problems with courses
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 29,701
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    Must be having an off day. I actually took the OP seriously, then I realised Petertard started it.
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    Bex_123Bex_123 Posts: 10,783
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    petertard wrote: »
    They were on the radio, complaining about how awful their courses were, and how they did not get enough lectures or contact with tutors. Are they entitled to "value for money", now that university courses are so expensive ?

    Erm, yes.

    Why wouldn't they be?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,811
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    maurice45 wrote: »
    Must be having an off day. I actually took the OP seriously, then I realised Petertard started it.

    I didn't notice that....I won't bother now either.
    I shall peel potatoes instead.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,830
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    But they is getting an education, wot a lot of people don't get. Shouldn't they just be grateful for what they got ?
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    annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    petertard wrote: »
    But they is getting an education, wot a lot of people don't get. Shouldn't they just be grateful for what they got ?

    if you paid for fillet steak and got mince how grateful would you be?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,830
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    annette kurten wrote: »
    if you paid for fillet steak and got mince how grateful would you be?

    If I went to a foodbank, I would be grateful for what I got.
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    annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    petertard wrote: »
    If I went to a foodbank, I would be grateful for what I got.

    great.

    so, if you paid for fillet steak and got mince how grateful would you be?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,830
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    In my day, we didn't pay nothing for education, and we was grateful for wot we got. I wouldn't touch no fillet steak, coz it is cow and the mad cow disease put me off the beef.
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    annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    petertard wrote: »
    In my day, we didn't pay nothing for education, and we was grateful for wot we got. I wouldn't touch no fillet steak, coz it is cow and the mad cow disease put me off the beef.

    so now that one DOES have to PAY towards their degree they shouldn`t moan about the quality of education they are receiving?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,830
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    annette kurten wrote: »
    so now that one DOES have to PAY towards their degree they shouldn`t moan about the quality of education they are receiving?

    That is the question. Does paying lead to an entitlement ?
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    AddisonianAddisonian Posts: 16,377
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    petertard wrote: »
    In my day, we didn't pay nothing for education, and we was grateful for wot we got. I wouldn't touch no fillet steak, coz it is cow and the mad cow disease put me off the beef.
    Bloody hell, it's Ali G.
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    JacobArtoisJacobArtois Posts: 36
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    University is to some extent about learning to learn independently, anyway.
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    CravenHavenCravenHaven Posts: 13,953
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    The value for money in higher education is in keeping the dozy duffertards off the unemployment statistics and into Golf Course Business Management Studies. A bit like how the value of DS is in keeping the petertard out of the way of the Real World.
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    annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    petertard wrote: »
    That is the question. Does paying lead to an entitlement ?

    it certainly reinforces it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,830
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    But these students, see, they is undergraduates, and they don't know as much as their lecturers, who is professors, who would know more, they the students is criticizing them, so it is all a bit sort of not quite right.
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    AddisonianAddisonian Posts: 16,377
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    petertard wrote: »
    But these students, see, they is undergraduates, and they don't know as much as their lecturers, who is professors, who would know more, they the students is criticizing them, so it is all a bit sort of not quite right.
    Do you think they are playing dumb for attention? I mean, who in their right mind would want to resort to that?
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    CravenHavenCravenHaven Posts: 13,953
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    do you know what euthanasia is, peter?
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    annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    petertard wrote: »
    But these students, see, they is undergraduates, and they don't know as much as their lecturers, who is professors, who would know more, they the students is criticizing them, so it is all a bit sort of not quite right.

    you aren`t funny, just really cringey, i`m actually blushing for you.
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    Jen-BJen-B Posts: 3,412
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    Go on. I'll take the bait, despite everything else in me telling me not to.

    The 'learning' element of a course is only part of it. It could be that there aren't enough books in the library; assignments regularly aren't marked in an acceptable timeframe, with very little, if any, feedback; course admin and paperwork aren't up to scratch. I could go on before actually getting to the quality of lectures. Pay around £9000 a year, and experience things like that, and you may be left wondering what you're actually paying for.
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    SaddlerSteveSaddlerSteve Posts: 4,325
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    There are times that students have valid complaints about how courses are run and their interaction throughout studying. But those complaints were valid even before they had to pay increased fees.

    The problem is some students interpret the fact they have to pay more as meaning they should get more for the increased fee. From the Universities point of view though, they are not getting more money, it's just coming from a different source. Course content is the same because it's always costed that much to produce however in the past the government have funded most of the cost with students contributing a little. Now students are paying the entire cost.

    It also depends on the nature of the complaint. Many complaints that are just disagreeing with their final result generally have no merit but some students think because they've paid a lot of money then it should guarantee a good pass. Unfortunately that's not how academia works!
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