Should benefit claimants have to earn their money?

Mark1974Mark1974 Posts: 4,162
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Do you think long-term JSA claimants should have to, say after 12 months, work for their money? For example, civic duties that councils are increasingly struggling to fund.
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  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    no i don`t.
  • Hugh JboobsHugh Jboobs Posts: 15,316
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    If they're physically and mentally able to work, yes.
  • Mark1974Mark1974 Posts: 4,162
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    no i don`t.

    Why not?
  • SJ_MentalSJ_Mental Posts: 16,138
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    If there are jobs that need doing they should be funded and given to benefit claimants to get them off of benefits.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    Mark1974 wrote: »
    Why not?

    because if there are jobs need doing they should be properly employed and paid to do them, not used as some sort of underclass of slaves.
  • CELT1987CELT1987 Posts: 12,355
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    If they have paid into the system, then no.
  • PrincessTTPrincessTT Posts: 4,300
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    SJ_Mental wrote: »
    If there are jobs that need doing they should be funded and given to benefit claimants to get them off of benefits.
    because if there are jobs need doing they should be properly employed and paid to do them, not used as some sort of underclass of slaves.

    Agree with these.

    If there's a job that needs doing then help people off benefits by hiring someone to do it and paying them a proper wage.
  • tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    SJ_Mental wrote: »
    If there are jobs that need doing they should be funded and given to benefit claimants to get them off of benefits.

    I agree.
  • Dare DevilDare Devil Posts: 118,737
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    What's with all the benefit threads over the last couple of weeks?

    They went fairly quiet over the last year or so, but recently it's been non stop.
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    No.

    If there's a job to be done, then pay someone a proper wage to do it.
  • Bex_123Bex_123 Posts: 10,783
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    As I said in the other thread, I don't have a problem with long term JSA claimants having to do some form of work experience but I completely disagree with how it is currently being done. I don't think it should be free labour for large companies for a start.

    Also, of course the time they work should not exceed what they get in benefits, taking into consideration minimum wage.
  • CLL DodgeCLL Dodge Posts: 115,802
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    No, of course not. Benefits are like life support.
  • Philip WalesPhilip Wales Posts: 6,373
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    While I agree that if there is need for work then it should be done by an employed person.

    But in this time of belt tightening etc and councils having to cut back etc, I see no problem with getting the long termed unemployed to help out, we've all had to make sacrifices etc, so why shouldn't they. They should only be unskilled jobs litter picking, graffiti removal etc and for the betterment of their community. Any technical jobs should of course be used to employ people.
  • tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    While I agree that if there is need for work then it should be done by an employed person.

    But in this time of belt tightening etc and councils having to cut back etc, I see no problem with getting the long termed unemployed to help out, we've all had to make sacrifices etc, so why shouldn't they. They should only be unskilled jobs litter picking, graffiti removal etc and for the betterment of their community. Any technical jobs should of course be used to employ people.

    But these jobs are already being done by paid staff, which if you make the unemployed do these jobs will, put these paid workers out of a job.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    While I agree that if there is need for work then it should be done by an employed person.

    But in this time of belt tightening etc and councils having to cut back etc, I see no problem with getting the long termed unemployed to help out, we've all had to make sacrifices etc, so why shouldn't they. They should only be unskilled jobs litter picking, graffiti removal etc and for the betterment of their community. Any technical jobs should of course be used to employ people.

    so community service for people who`ve committed no crime.
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,267
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    If benefit claimants are to be working, they should be given a minimum wage job. Having to work for your benefits is disgusting.
  • Mountain_RunnerMountain_Runner Posts: 1,927
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    Yes for either benefits paid at NMW rate or do the work for so many hours that they would have worked at NMW.

    So for £72 Jobseeker's Allowance they should not have to work more than 11 hrs a week.
  • Philip WalesPhilip Wales Posts: 6,373
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    tim59 wrote: »
    But these jobs are already being done by paid staff, which if you make the unemployed do these jobs will, put these paid workers out of a job.

    But they're not, how often do we hear that a council can't clean this or that because they lack the funds.

    All I'm saying is that maybe the unemployed could help out. Many working people have had to take a large hit in terms of pay raises even pay cuts etc.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    But they're not, how often do we hear that a council can't clean this or that because they lack the funds.

    All I'm saying is that maybe the unemployed could help out. Many working people have had to take a large hit in terms of pay raises even pay cuts etc.

    and many unemployed have had to take a bigger one when they lost their jobs and quite possibly their homes.
  • Philip WalesPhilip Wales Posts: 6,373
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    so community service for people who`ve committed no crime.

    Well yes and these jobs are/were done, don't think the people that did them would like those jobs to be thought of as community service. But my point was that councils shouldn't use a scheme like this to get skilled people doing a skilled job for nothing.
  • Philip WalesPhilip Wales Posts: 6,373
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    and many unemployed have had to take a bigger one when they lost their jobs and quite possibly their homes.

    True, but lets be honest we're not talking about them, we're talking about the long term dole hangers as they used to be called. People who have basically never worked, seem to breed like rabbits and offer society nothing in return.
  • Bex_123Bex_123 Posts: 10,783
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    They should only be unskilled jobs litter picking, graffiti removal etc and for the betterment of their community. Any technical jobs should of course be used to employ people.

    The problem with this is it sounds a lot like the community service criminals have to do! I could understand why people on benefits may not wish to be forced to do the same things we make criminals do.

    This is where I find it difficult to think how it could be practical, even though I don't really disagree with the initial idea. It shouldn't be for large companies who are profiting from it and it shouldn't be the type of community work that is otherwise reserved for criminals...
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    Well yes and these jobs are/were done, don't think the people that did them would like those jobs to be thought of as community service. But my point was that councils shouldn't use a scheme like this to get skilled people doing a skilled job for nothing.

    those are the jobs that people on community service are doing.

    so as long as we only enslave the unskilled that`s ok?
    True, but lets be honest we're not talking about them, we're talking about the long term dole hangers as they used to be called. People who have basically never worked, seem to breed like rabbits and offer society nothing in return.

    "we" are if they have been unable to find work.
  • Philip WalesPhilip Wales Posts: 6,373
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    Agree, even though I'm not sure I've ever seen people do community service so wouldn't know what they look like.

    There must be nicer jobs that unemployed people could do, that maybe aren't so demeaning.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    Agree, even though I'm not sure I've ever seen people do community service so wouldn't know what they look like.

    There must be nicer jobs that unemployed people could do, that maybe aren't so demeaning.

    i don`t think doing those jobs is wrong necessarily just that a proper wage should be paid.

    claimants are expected to do 35 hours of job searching a week too, if they`re "working" for their benefits where are they expected to fit that and interviews in?
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