Does anybody think we need a one hour "personal and revealing tribute" to Alan Hansen presented by Lineker tonight? You would think a well loved personality had died. This is going to seem like nauseating navel gazing.
Yes we do! I'm really looking forward to it, he wrote his autobiography ages ago and I'll be fascinated to see what clips they unearth. There are lots of interesting things to talk about in regards of Heysel and Hillsborough and he's well placed to offer his observation on the changing face of the game. Given how rarely he's opened up over the years I want to hear more from him. I'm sure he's hugely embarrassed about the whole thing, but he's agreed to it otherwise it'll seem rude. It's not like it's part of the final coverage anyway. We had an hour-long documentary about Jimmy Hill when he left the Beeb.
One thing that will definitely make it worth doing is if they show the clip of him on The Frank Skinner Show where they spent ages discussing Ribena, and which irritatingly isn't on YouTube.
Yes we do! I'm really looking forward to it, he wrote his autobiography ages ago and I'll be fascinated to see what clips they unearth. There are lots of interesting things to talk about in regards of Heysel and Hillsborough and he's well placed to offer his observation on the changing face of the game. Given how rarely he's opened up over the years I want to hear more from him.
Well that's fair enough, but apart from one programme a few years ago - which I have forgotten the subject matter, was it depression in footballers? - he has done nothing along these lines, and this isn't really the time to start. I honestly think there isn't anything more that needs to be said about either of those disasters that hasn't already been said by most of the others that have previously chosen to speak, and can't imagine this is the appropriate place to reveal anything new anyway.
We'll have to wait and see whether it's just a tedious sugary golden handshake, although a tongue in cheek clip show of his favourite catch phrases might be amusing.
Does anybody think we need a one hour "personal and revealing tribute" to Alan Hansen presented by Lineker tonight? You would think a well loved personality had died. This is going to seem like nauseating navel gazing.
Sky should of done one for Keys and Gray. They would of smashed it.
I didn't see the coverage where Cannavaro said any of this, but I'd guess if he was asked an opinion he could only really give it from an Italian point of view. Italian viewers of the Brazil vs Germany game would have viewed Germany as unnecessary and even 'out of order' for continuing their assault on the Brazilian goal during the second half. .
As I recall he wasn't asked anything about it. He just chose to add that to the conversation and take it down that route, which as I say I found odd.
I thought Steve Wilson did well on Tuesday and his line right up after half-time was great, as referred to prominently on here. But not as good as my favourite commentator line in recent tournaments which was Jon Champion in Greece V Czech Republic amidst the Greek financial crisis - there was a shot of the latter's fans jumping up and down as their team were in the lead and Champion commented 'an incident involving Greece and bouncing Czechs'. Far clever than anything Peter Drury could come up when he did the Germany V Greece later on that summer in 2012.
I'll be a bit bemused if Jason Mohammad is at the stadium on Sunday night instead of Mark Chapman. As I've said before Mohammad has been too prominent for me this summer - I think Dan Walker should have done his job. (Obviously Walker doesn't work Sundays - though I guess here in the UK we did see he him in the early hours of Sunday morning during the England V Italy broadcast - and I think Chapman should be used for the final..)
I'd be very surprised if Sunday night's game isn't Mark Lawrenson's swan song as BBC chief co-commentator. They obviously want someone different, hence giving Phil Neville the England matches and the lack of Lawro at most of the big games since. If so, Sunday really will be the end of an era with it also being Hansen's last show.
I'll be a bit bemused if Jason Mohammad is at the stadium on Sunday night instead of Mark Chapman. As I've said before Mohammad has been too prominent for me this summer - I think Dan Walker should have done his job. (Obviously Walker doesn't work Sundays - though I guess here in the UK we did see he him in the early hours of Sunday morning during the England V Italy broadcast - and I think Chapman should be used for the final..)
I presume Chapman will be doing something for 5 live, but it does seem to be a bit too big a job for Mohammed, who is after all the most junior member of the presenting team.
I said in the other thread Walker has been pretty busy doing a very wide range of stuff this tournament though, a lot of it probably hasn't been noticed. He's been doing many of the highlights shows, reports for the main show, a bit of 5 live presenting, Football Focus for BBC World News, the occasional reporting from grounds including Manaus and he's also presented MOTD Kickabout for CBBC.
One of the big changes to the BBC team this World Cup was the disappearance of 'roving reporters'. In 2010 you had Manish Bhasin, Garth Crooks, Damian Johnson and Roger Johnson. You also had Rob Walker and Dan Walker on a BBC bus. I have to say they've managed very well without - Dan Walker has been well utilised, I've heard reports from Patrick Gearey and Ben Smith and really I don't think it's been much of a loss.
I'd be very surprised if Sunday night's game isn't Mark Lawrenson's swan song as BBC chief co-commentator. They obviously want someone different, hence giving Phil Neville the England matches and the lack of Lawro at most of the big games since. If so, Sunday really will be the end of an era with it also being Hansen's last show.
Yes it's the end of an era. I think Lawrenson will be totally phased out, they needed to make sure they had a suitable replacement first and that is Murphy in my opinion. Neville I hope stays involved as a pundit and co commentator for the BBC.
He will apparently know next week. So certainly the possibility of him being an MOTD regular, which I'd be very happy about (I think he was good in the studio), but I think his main ambition is coaching.
He will apparently know next week. So certainly the possibility of him being an MOTD regular, which I'd be very happy about (I think he was good in the studio), but I think his main ambition is coaching.
I'm sure they can work guest appearances around that. In the studio he was excellent, offered great insight.
Ferdinand has surprised me, I've quite enjoyed his input, when he retires I wonder if the BBC can make he a regular. I wouldn't mind that either.
I think we're moving into an era of much greater variety on MOTD - ie there will be a much increased use of a variety of pundits working on a "daily basis" - so Hansen (and if he goes Lawrenson) won't be replaced by anyone on "fixed contracts" but rather the BBC will make much greater use of people on a "daily basis".
This will provide more variety and it will also be much cheaper and therefore ties in with DQF. If they have a reasonably wide pool of people they can keep the daily rate pretty low - if anyone doesn't like it they use someone else.
I guess Shearer is already contracted but he may become the only "regular".
I think we're moving into an era of much greater variety on MOTD - ie there will be a much increased use of a variety of pundits working on a "daily basis" - so Hansen (and if he goes Lawrenson) won't be replaced by anyone on "fixed contracts" but rather the BBC will make much greater use of people on a "daily basis".
This will provide more variety and it will also be much cheaper and therefore ties in with DQF. If they have a reasonably wide pool of people they can keep the daily rate pretty low - if anyone doesn't like it they use someone else.
I guess Shearer is already contracted but he may become the only "regular".
Thats probably correct, but I think they should try and make so recent retired players Semi regular, especially with FA Cup football next season.
They will be replaced by new people added to the people they use. But what you say is right.
I'd be very surprised if Sunday night's game isn't Mark Lawrenson's swan song as BBC chief co-commentator. They obviously want someone different, hence giving Phil Neville the England matches and the lack of Lawro at most of the big games since. If so, Sunday really will be the end of an era with it also being Hansen's last show.
I presume Chapman will be doing something for 5 live, but it does seem to be a bit too big a job for Mohammed, who is after all the most junior member of the presenting team.
I said in the other thread Walker has been pretty busy doing a very wide range of stuff this tournament though, a lot of it probably hasn't been noticed. He's been doing many of the highlights shows, reports for the main show, a bit of 5 live presenting, Football Focus for BBC World News, the occasional reporting from grounds including Manaus and he's also presented MOTD Kickabout for CBBC.
One of the big changes to the BBC team this World Cup was the disappearance of 'roving reporters'. In 2010 you had Manish Bhasin, Garth Crooks, Damian Johnson and Roger Johnson. You also had Rob Walker and Dan Walker on a BBC bus. I have to say they've managed very well without - Dan Walker has been well utilised, I've heard reports from Patrick Gearey and Ben Smith and really I don't think it's been much of a loss.
They have taken a lot less people this time and their coverage has not declined at all. I've actually prefered it to last time. Everyone who was taken was 100% needed, last time that wasn't the case.
They've taken 14 fewer people (out of more than 280). That's not a lot less.
They still have 150 more people than ITV.
and rightly so, ITV do not have a radio station to cater for, and even their website coverage does not appear as extensive and wide ranging as the BBC equivalent.
MOTD will miss him. His absence during the first week or so of the World Cup left a bit of a gaping hole on the pundits bench!
Good for him to be retiring when he decides. Shall miss his insight and classic analysis
I genuinely can't tell if you're being serious or not. The BBC's punditry at this World Cup went severely downhill imo when Hansen arrived and if "They're average and eminently beatable" is classic analysis then I give up.
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Just wonder how long it will be before he signs up for another channel or maybe even radio work.
Yes we do! I'm really looking forward to it, he wrote his autobiography ages ago and I'll be fascinated to see what clips they unearth. There are lots of interesting things to talk about in regards of Heysel and Hillsborough and he's well placed to offer his observation on the changing face of the game. Given how rarely he's opened up over the years I want to hear more from him. I'm sure he's hugely embarrassed about the whole thing, but he's agreed to it otherwise it'll seem rude. It's not like it's part of the final coverage anyway. We had an hour-long documentary about Jimmy Hill when he left the Beeb.
One thing that will definitely make it worth doing is if they show the clip of him on The Frank Skinner Show where they spent ages discussing Ribena, and which irritatingly isn't on YouTube.
We'll have to wait and see whether it's just a tedious sugary golden handshake, although a tongue in cheek clip show of his favourite catch phrases might be amusing.
Sky should of done one for Keys and Gray. They would of smashed it.
As I recall he wasn't asked anything about it. He just chose to add that to the conversation and take it down that route, which as I say I found odd.
I thought Steve Wilson did well on Tuesday and his line right up after half-time was great, as referred to prominently on here. But not as good as my favourite commentator line in recent tournaments which was Jon Champion in Greece V Czech Republic amidst the Greek financial crisis - there was a shot of the latter's fans jumping up and down as their team were in the lead and Champion commented 'an incident involving Greece and bouncing Czechs'. Far clever than anything Peter Drury could come up when he did the Germany V Greece later on that summer in 2012.
I'll be a bit bemused if Jason Mohammad is at the stadium on Sunday night instead of Mark Chapman. As I've said before Mohammad has been too prominent for me this summer - I think Dan Walker should have done his job. (Obviously Walker doesn't work Sundays - though I guess here in the UK we did see he him in the early hours of Sunday morning during the England V Italy broadcast - and I think Chapman should be used for the final..)
I'd be very surprised if Sunday night's game isn't Mark Lawrenson's swan song as BBC chief co-commentator. They obviously want someone different, hence giving Phil Neville the England matches and the lack of Lawro at most of the big games since. If so, Sunday really will be the end of an era with it also being Hansen's last show.
I presume Chapman will be doing something for 5 live, but it does seem to be a bit too big a job for Mohammed, who is after all the most junior member of the presenting team.
I said in the other thread Walker has been pretty busy doing a very wide range of stuff this tournament though, a lot of it probably hasn't been noticed. He's been doing many of the highlights shows, reports for the main show, a bit of 5 live presenting, Football Focus for BBC World News, the occasional reporting from grounds including Manaus and he's also presented MOTD Kickabout for CBBC.
One of the big changes to the BBC team this World Cup was the disappearance of 'roving reporters'. In 2010 you had Manish Bhasin, Garth Crooks, Damian Johnson and Roger Johnson. You also had Rob Walker and Dan Walker on a BBC bus. I have to say they've managed very well without - Dan Walker has been well utilised, I've heard reports from Patrick Gearey and Ben Smith and really I don't think it's been much of a loss.
Yes it's the end of an era. I think Lawrenson will be totally phased out, they needed to make sure they had a suitable replacement first and that is Murphy in my opinion. Neville I hope stays involved as a pundit and co commentator for the BBC.
No Hansen or Lawrenson on MOTD next season.
Has his future with Man U been decided yet?
He will apparently know next week. So certainly the possibility of him being an MOTD regular, which I'd be very happy about (I think he was good in the studio), but I think his main ambition is coaching.
I'm sure they can work guest appearances around that. In the studio he was excellent, offered great insight.
Ferdinand has surprised me, I've quite enjoyed his input, when he retires I wonder if the BBC can make he a regular. I wouldn't mind that either.
No, but the assumption is that he won't be staying.
This will provide more variety and it will also be much cheaper and therefore ties in with DQF. If they have a reasonably wide pool of people they can keep the daily rate pretty low - if anyone doesn't like it they use someone else.
I guess Shearer is already contracted but he may become the only "regular".
Seems like Gary and Lee are having a bit of a twitter spat
Thats probably correct, but I think they should try and make so recent retired players Semi regular, especially with FA Cup football next season.
They will be replaced by new people added to the people they use. But what you say is right.
They have taken a lot less people this time and their coverage has not declined at all. I've actually prefered it to last time. Everyone who was taken was 100% needed, last time that wasn't the case.
Des Lynam, Jamie Carragher, Gary Neville (both from the MNF studio), Jamie Redknapp, Ray Wilkins, Graeme Souness, etc.
Hasn't he pretty much retired now? He took a coaching job at QPR after all.
Also Martin Tyler, Barry Davies, Sir Trevor Brooking and John Motson.
They've taken 14 fewer people (out of more than 280). That's not a lot less.
They still have 150 more people than ITV.
and rightly so, ITV do not have a radio station to cater for, and even their website coverage does not appear as extensive and wide ranging as the BBC equivalent.
Nicely presented documentary on Hansen.
MOTD will miss him. His absence during the first week or so of the World Cup left a bit of a gaping hole on the pundits bench!
Good for him to be retiring when he decides. Shall miss his insight and classic analysis.
On the credits it stated ..... 'Written by Edward Butler', is that the rugby union Eddie Butler??
I genuinely can't tell if you're being serious or not. The BBC's punditry at this World Cup went severely downhill imo when Hansen arrived and if "They're average and eminently beatable" is classic analysis then I give up.