Anyone else appreciate the irony of the Doctors having a big red button to press and by not pressing it they effectively are pressing the Reset button?
Well, now that he has saved the whole of Gallifray (yay!) he can go back and save Amy and Rory from the Weeping Angels
He can't go back and change the fate of the Ponds. What we saw last night wasn't the Doctor changing history, but merely what happened all along - only the Doctor wasn't aware until this point in his timeline that he saved Gallifrey, therefore we believed the same fallacy as he did. John Hurt's Doctor NEVER pressed the button to destroy Gallifrey and the Time Lords. Matt Smith's Doctor didn't change history, only became aware of its true course.
He can't go back and change the fate of the Ponds. What we saw last night wasn't the Doctor changing history, but merely what happened all along - only the Doctor wasn't aware until this point in his timeline that he saved Gallifrey, therefore we believed the same fallacy as he did. John Hurt's Doctor NEVER pressed the button to destroy Gallifrey and the Time Lords. Matt Smith's Doctor didn't change history, only became aware of its true course.
So who's to say the 13th Doctor can't go back and save the Ponds and the 12th Doctor (Matt) has no memory of it????
So who's to say the 13th Doctor can't go back and save the Ponds and the 12th Doctor (Matt) has no memory of it????
If they really wanted to in the future then they could think of a reason
But even if he could go back and save them why would he he got the message from Amy they had a very happy life together and died as a old couple who knows going back they may die young on their first (new) adventure
The problem is, I understand how apart from the Matt Smith Doctor, The Doctor can forget the events of the episode, and be led to believe that the Timelords and Daleks have been wiped out.
But surely there needs to be something put in place there where The Doctor remembers wiping out everything.
Why would The Doctor think that he himself wiped everything out?
The Doctor either remembers pressing the moment weapon button or he doesn't. If The Doctor has been made to forget the events in this episode, then how can he remember pressing that red button if it never happened now?
So the Chris Ecclestone Doctor and David Tennant Doctor will have no recollection of the events of this episode and will still be wracked with guilt.
But why, if they no longer have a memory of being responsible for destroying everything?
Now that things have changed why would The Doctor still think that he wiped out the Timelords and The Daleks in the Timewar if he has no memory of doing so?
It was clearly explained in the episode that the timelines are out of sync due to the 3 of them being together, so they will forget that happened when they were together. So the War Doctor will remember going to use the moment, then regenerates, leaving him to think he used it and it caused his regeneration. 11 will remember it all as it is his present timeline.
It was clearly explained in the episode that the timelines are out of sync due to the 3 of them being together, so they will forget that happened when they were together. So the War Doctor will remember going to use the moment, then regenerates, leaving him to think he used it and it caused his regeneration. 11 will remember it all as it is his present timeline.
That's all fine and well, but surely I can't be the only one who remembers what Ecclestone said in 'Dalek'...
[Paraphrased]
"10 million Dalek ships all burned. I WATCHED IT HAPPEN...I MADE IT HAPPEN"
Obviously we'll have to chuck this line under a bus from now on as the Doctor never did see the Dalek ships burning - he just assumed they did.
He may have seen the result of them firing on themselves after Gallifrey was frozen and assumed it was him that did it to them.
Not possible. We've already established that the Doctor's last memory before regenerating into Ecclestone would be him about to push the big red button - after that the other Doctors show up, corrupting the time line and meaning he forgets everything after that.
He never actually saw Galifrey disappear or the destruction of the Daleks. So why Ecclestone told the Dalek that he did see this will have to be chalked down as either a continuity error or Ecclestone simply lying to the Dalek to make it feel even worse!
Not possible. We've already established that the Doctor's last memory before regenerating into Ecclestone would be him about to push the big red button - after that the other Doctors show up, corrupting the time line and meaning he forgets everything after that.
He never actually saw Galifrey disappear or the destruction of the Daleks. So why Ecclestone told the Dalek that he did see this will have to be chalked down as either a continuity error or Ecclestone simply lying to the Dalek to make it feel even worse!
No when he went back he will have gone back to just after Galifrey disappeared but in the same place just about so Ecclestone's first memory would be looking out and just seeing 1000's of Dalek ships burning and assuming he was the one who did it
It was clearly explained in the episode that the timelines are out of sync due to the 3 of them being together, so they will forget that happened when they were together. So the War Doctor will remember going to use the moment, then regenerates, leaving him to think he used it and it caused his regeneration. 11 will remember it all as it is his present timeline.
Ooooh, just had a thought. What if it didn't take place in 11's present timeline?
What if this adventure took place in "Curator" Who's present timeline. 11 wouldn't remember saving Gallifrey either ....
No when he went back he will have gone back to just after Galifrey disappeared but in the same place just about so Ecclestone's first memory would be looking out and just seeing 1000's of Dalek ships burning and assuming he was the one who did it
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He can't go back and change the fate of the Ponds. What we saw last night wasn't the Doctor changing history, but merely what happened all along - only the Doctor wasn't aware until this point in his timeline that he saved Gallifrey, therefore we believed the same fallacy as he did. John Hurt's Doctor NEVER pressed the button to destroy Gallifrey and the Time Lords. Matt Smith's Doctor didn't change history, only became aware of its true course.
So who's to say the 13th Doctor can't go back and save the Ponds and the 12th Doctor (Matt) has no memory of it????
If they really wanted to in the future then they could think of a reason
But even if he could go back and save them why would he he got the message from Amy they had a very happy life together and died as a old couple who knows going back they may die young on their first (new) adventure
It was clearly explained in the episode that the timelines are out of sync due to the 3 of them being together, so they will forget that happened when they were together. So the War Doctor will remember going to use the moment, then regenerates, leaving him to think he used it and it caused his regeneration. 11 will remember it all as it is his present timeline.
That's all fine and well, but surely I can't be the only one who remembers what Ecclestone said in 'Dalek'...
[Paraphrased]
"10 million Dalek ships all burned. I WATCHED IT HAPPEN...I MADE IT HAPPEN"
Obviously we'll have to chuck this line under a bus from now on as the Doctor never did see the Dalek ships burning - he just assumed they did.
He may have seen the result of them firing on themselves after Gallifrey was frozen and assumed it was him that did it to them.
Exactly.
He doesn't think he must of been the one who did it for no reason.
He would remember planning to do it and stealing the weapon and taking it to the place he was going to use it.
Then he wakes up on the tardis regenerated with Galifrey and the daleks seeming to have been destroyed.
Why the hell would he think anything other than he done it.
Not possible. We've already established that the Doctor's last memory before regenerating into Ecclestone would be him about to push the big red button - after that the other Doctors show up, corrupting the time line and meaning he forgets everything after that.
He never actually saw Galifrey disappear or the destruction of the Daleks. So why Ecclestone told the Dalek that he did see this will have to be chalked down as either a continuity error or Ecclestone simply lying to the Dalek to make it feel even worse!
No when he went back he will have gone back to just after Galifrey disappeared but in the same place just about so Ecclestone's first memory would be looking out and just seeing 1000's of Dalek ships burning and assuming he was the one who did it
Rather like the weeping Angels locked when they were in a ring, Doctor and companions ducked leaving the Angels looking at themselves.
Ooooh, just had a thought. What if it didn't take place in 11's present timeline?
What if this adventure took place in "Curator" Who's present timeline. 11 wouldn't remember saving Gallifrey either ....
Spot on