How can they get benefits here anyway unless they're working? In France you either have to be resident for five years or in tax-paying employment before you can get any benefits.
By your own admission your occupation as a `Day Dreamer` is apparent thus making it clear that your thoughts are not in the real world. However as you hold the Britishpeople in such low esteem, you have our blessing to migrate to such a place that appreciate `Day Dreamers'. The benefit of residing in Britain is that that the exit door will always be open to you as `benefit tourist` of any denomination are not welcome
I don't know what you are talking about,"Daydreamer" ( the occupation on my forum profile is of course not my occupation and not how I pay my mortgage,but I guess you haven't got much of a counter opinion if thats the best you can come up with.
There are lots of forum names that are clearly not the peoples real name either,do you often use those as your point?
Point in case,as far as I can see ur forum name is a "cake"
I completely believe in a 2 tier British citizen system of entitlement that has different rules for British born citizens and new British citizens that were not born in Britain.However I know how equal opportunities works and the twisted logic behind it,so I came up with a equal and fair system that benefits the people born in Britain,but it makes new arrivals have to qualify for the same rights to benefits.
It is perfectly fair,but it benefits British born citizens over newcomers.
I don't hold British people in such low esteem at all,I am one,and proud of it and I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that I do.
Please tell me why/how you came to that conclusion?
Try walking into any other country and get free housing, healthcare, education, money to live on.
Public services, are buckling under the strain of over population.
The Labour party admit they recruited immigrants to come here, but made no preparation to accommodate them, so this is hypocritical. The numbers are too high.
That is none of your business and holds no relevance whatsoever to this discussion.
Well, it kinda does; as an immigrant, you're clearly in favour of immigrants. I was curious, as you were clearly so passionate about it, firing off seven straight posts back to back.
So why make the distinction? Why separate the two? Surely, those who pay the same amount of tax are entitled to the same benefits from that system. Or, is it because they happen to be foreigners, they should be treated as second class humans?
It was just that the discussion was about immigrants, not the native born.
Because they don't, not any more than those who were born here. So, why are you not calling for the same sanctions for those who were born here, who damage society?
I thought you meant immigrants who damaged society, not the native-born. Yes, I'd be in favour of the same sanctions agianst both.
What is is you cannot understand about a time served residential qualifying period for benefits?
It is perfectly fair for all,British born or not.
British born citizens begin their time period as children,they fulfill their time residence period by just existing as children for the specified time.
Children cannot work,so its pretty obvious they cant pay tax.
Hence a residential time qualification,rather than a tax contribution one.
It essentially means a new adult immigrant has to work to fully support themselves and will receive no benefits until they have lived in Britain for the specified qualification period of time to qualify for them.
A new adult immigrant would find it rather impossible to live in Britain for 10 years with no employment and no money,so presumably they wouldn't come, if that's what they had in mind,why on earth would any country need/want people of that mindset.
But this started off as an argument regarding contribution. Surely it is more about economics, because nationalist fervour, in this context, is illogical. It began as not allowing people, who had apparently contributed less, getting more, but it has since been established that they don't. With the loss of that argument, the right-wing are now trying to use nationalism as an excuse.
As for your other comments about me being some sort of right wing extremist national socialist nazi ,that's laughable,hysterical and the sort of nonsense that has shut down any rational debate many times.
These disgusting insinuations have been thrown at ordinary working class British people who are not members of far right groups in any way,but they have views which the Liberal left don't want to hear about.
New Labour treated British working class people that had worked hard and bettered themselves like traitors,taxed them to the hilt and shouted them down with cries of "racist" whenever they had the "nerve" to question their ever changing communities.
The rise of UKIP suggests that many are unhappy with the current set up,but you would prefer to think that people are racists/misled/unenlightened/uneducated and you try to belittle,shame and bully them into agreeing with your views.
National (within your own border) socialism (helping those that need help) to me means a government helping it own people,it does not mean invading Europe or persecuting non citizens.
The left are a strange mindset
I really am sure that you are more intelligent than you are pretending to be. You must surely be fully aware of what National Socialism is really about and your back-pedalling is not doing you any favours. Pretending that you think National Socialism is about looking after those in need within the country they reside, is at best disingenuous and at worst, insulting to those who have been victims of such régimes.
Scottish people who want to be separate from the UK are freedom fighters who want to escape "cruel" English control
Scottish nationalism is so far away from National Socialism, it is beyond comparison.
British people who want to be separate from the EU's control are racists/little Englanders,xenophobic
No they are not, just the xenophobic racist ones and I thin kit is bit strong of you to imply otherwise.
How can they get benefits here anyway unless they're working? In France you either have to be resident for five years or in tax-paying employment before you can get any benefits.
In Spain you are not eligible to benefits unless you have previously been in work and paid tax . I think this is common in Europe and should be the same here . It's for this reason we have people flocking here from all over Europe , to get some thing here that they cannot get in their own countries . Also this is why we have people queuing up to climb on lorries at Calais .
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I don't know what you are talking about,"Daydreamer" ( the occupation on my forum profile is of course not my occupation and not how I pay my mortgage,but I guess you haven't got much of a counter opinion if thats the best you can come up with.
There are lots of forum names that are clearly not the peoples real name either,do you often use those as your point?
Point in case,as far as I can see ur forum name is a "cake"
I completely believe in a 2 tier British citizen system of entitlement that has different rules for British born citizens and new British citizens that were not born in Britain.However I know how equal opportunities works and the twisted logic behind it,so I came up with a equal and fair system that benefits the people born in Britain,but it makes new arrivals have to qualify for the same rights to benefits.
It is perfectly fair,but it benefits British born citizens over newcomers.
I don't hold British people in such low esteem at all,I am one,and proud of it and I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that I do.
Please tell me why/how you came to that conclusion?
Public services, are buckling under the strain of over population.
The Labour party admit they recruited immigrants to come here, but made no preparation to accommodate them, so this is hypocritical. The numbers are too high.
Well, it kinda does; as an immigrant, you're clearly in favour of immigrants. I was curious, as you were clearly so passionate about it, firing off seven straight posts back to back.
It was just that the discussion was about immigrants, not the native born.
I thought you meant immigrants who damaged society, not the native-born. Yes, I'd be in favour of the same sanctions agianst both.
But this started off as an argument regarding contribution. Surely it is more about economics, because nationalist fervour, in this context, is illogical. It began as not allowing people, who had apparently contributed less, getting more, but it has since been established that they don't. With the loss of that argument, the right-wing are now trying to use nationalism as an excuse.
I really am sure that you are more intelligent than you are pretending to be. You must surely be fully aware of what National Socialism is really about and your back-pedalling is not doing you any favours. Pretending that you think National Socialism is about looking after those in need within the country they reside, is at best disingenuous and at worst, insulting to those who have been victims of such régimes.
Scottish nationalism is so far away from National Socialism, it is beyond comparison.
No they are not, just the xenophobic racist ones and I thin kit is bit strong of you to imply otherwise.
In Spain you are not eligible to benefits unless you have previously been in work and paid tax . I think this is common in Europe and should be the same here . It's for this reason we have people flocking here from all over Europe , to get some thing here that they cannot get in their own countries . Also this is why we have people queuing up to climb on lorries at Calais .