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David Cameron uses dead disabled son to fend off all NHS/disability criticism

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    BanglaRoadBanglaRoad Posts: 57,590
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    KezM wrote: »
    Its not in another thread it is earlier on in this thread.

    Brown did it once Cameron uses his dead son not as a last resort but as a first response
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    rusty123rusty123 Posts: 22,872
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    Reading some of the comments in this thread all I can say is that some folk really are sad, bitter and twisted.
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    StykerStyker Posts: 49,863
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    rusty123 wrote: »
    Reading some of the comments in this thread all I can say is that some folk really are sad, bitter and twisted.

    And maybe you are in denial about what Cameron outrageously does and keeps on doing on this matter!
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    RelugusRelugus Posts: 12,044
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    ustarion wrote: »
    I've noticed this for a long time and he did it again during PMQs. In a way it's quite clever, Ed Miliband can't exactly turn around and say, "you can't use your son as an excuse for everything".

    Actually, he can, but Ed lacks the spine to do that. Cameron should not be allowed to hide behind his dead son, especially since his policies show him to be a cynical fraud.

    Ed Millband should have said something like this:
    "The Prime Minister coos and pouts, exhorting us to remember his dead son, while his ministers ruthlessly bully the disabled. These are the actions of a man who only cares about his own family, and indeed his own class of Etonian ponces, many of whom have never done a day's honest work other than PR and selling carpets.
    If the Prime Minister will not sack Lord Freud, then he is, in effect, endorsing his vile views. This, let us remember, is the same government that hands out freebies like Help to Buy to its poncey rich friends and dumps the tab on the taxpayer."
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    StykerStyker Posts: 49,863
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    Relugus wrote: »
    Actually, he can, but Ed lacks the spine to do that. Cameron should not be allowed to hide behind his dead son, especially since his policies show him to be a cynical fraud.

    Ed Millband should have said something like this:
    "The Prime Minister coos and pouts, exhorting us to remember his dead son, while his ministers ruthlessly bully the disabled. These are the actions of a man who only cares about his own family, and indeed his own class of Etonian ponces, many of whom have never done a day's honest work other than PR and selling carpets.
    If the Prime Minister will not sack Lord Freud, then he is, in effect, endorsing his vile views. This, let us remember, is the same government that hands out freebies like Help to Buy to its poncey rich friends and dumps the tab on the taxpayer."

    Why do I get the impression you're hoping that Ed Miliband would pull David Cameron up on this just so the pro Tory press can make him look bad and so could a lot of the radio phone in shows?

    If a Labour PM was doing what Cameron was doing then I think the press would have made an issue of it ages ago as would Cameron soon afterwards.
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    Pat_SmithPat_Smith Posts: 2,104
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    ustarion wrote: »
    I've noticed this for a long time and he did it again during PMQs. In a way it's quite clever, Ed Miliband can't exactly turn around and say, "you can't use your son as an excuse for everything".


    What a horrible person you must be. I feel sorry for you.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 32,379
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    ustarion wrote: »
    I've noticed this for a long time and he did it again during PMQs. In a way it's quite clever, Ed Miliband can't exactly turn around and say, "you can't use your son as an excuse for everything".

    He didn't mention his son. Just claimed he knew more about disability than Miliband.
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    CELT1987CELT1987 Posts: 12,358
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    Pat_Smith wrote: »
    What a horrible person you must be. I feel sorry for you.
    That coming from someone who is embarrassed seeing disabled people on TV.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    "I love Scotland. I love the National Health Service. I was born into the National Health Service. I grew up in the National Health Service," Mr Brown said.

    "When I lost the sight of my eye and faced the prospect of going blind, my sight was saved by the National Health Service.

    "When my daughter died, it was a result of not being able to do anything to save her life and my respect for the National Health Service grew as a result of the experience that Sarah and I had.

    "Do you think that I or anybody else who cares about the National Health Service would stand by and do nothing if we thought the National Health Service was going to be privatised in Scotland and its funds were going to be cut? Would we stand back and do nothing without a fight? Of course not!"

    Brown was defending the NHS, Cameron was defending himself
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    delegate zerodelegate zero Posts: 2,632
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    Brown was defending the NHS, Cameron was defending himself

    He wasn't defending the NHS, he was defending his own honour because the YES campaign were saying he was lying through his teeth about the NHS being safe in Tory hands.

    Sure enough, after the referendum, the NHS was back in danger
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    2shy20072shy2007 Posts: 52,579
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    How distasteful was that? he loves to drag out his sons disability when he can, he even likes to brag how they got local services to pay for his constant respite care, my son has the same condition and we cannot even access any respite care, he drained local services of badly needed funds when in fact he was perfectly able to pay for the care himself. For that he should feel ashamed , his actions robbed someone else of that respite care who could not afford it themselves.

    I would like to know how many hours a week he actually cared for the child without any outside help. he has no idea what it is like to care for a disabled person 24/7
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    Jenny_SawyerJenny_Sawyer Posts: 12,858
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    ustarion wrote: »
    I've noticed this for a long time and he did it again during PMQs. In a way it's quite clever, Ed Miliband can't exactly turn around and say, "you can't use your son as an excuse for everything".

    Cameron is a snake - although that is somewhat insulting to snakes.
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    LockesLockes Posts: 6,568
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    CELT1987 wrote: »
    That coming from someone who is embarrassed seeing disabled people on TV.

    wow that really is disgusting
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    GibsonSGGibsonSG Posts: 23,681
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    ustarion wrote: »
    I've noticed this for a long time and he did it again during PMQs. In a way it's quite clever, Ed Miliband can't exactly turn around and say, "you can't use your son as an excuse for everything".

    It's despicable to use his son in this way to justify making other disabled people to suffer at the hands of the Tories. One rule for them - one rule for the rest of the country. I am much reminded of that 90's sitcom "The New Statesman". Got the Tories down to a tee.
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    BanglaRoadBanglaRoad Posts: 57,590
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    Pat_Smith wrote: »
    What a horrible person you must be. I feel sorry for you.

    Maybe now you might understand the reaction to your posts about feeling embarrassed about watching disabled people on TV
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    CharlotteswebCharlottesweb Posts: 18,680
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    GibsonSG wrote: »
    It's despicable to use his son in this way to justify making other disabled people to suffer at the hands of the Tories. One rule for them - one rule for the rest of the country. I am much reminded of that 90's sitcom "The New Statesman". Got the Tories down to a tee.

    Its a representation of the standard of politician that now inhabits westminster. False, money and power mad hypocrites who are only interested in 'winning' and will say and do anything to do so, and why do they want to win? To keep the money and favours rolling in from the corporate world.

    Hes a shyster, a poor PR man promoted way, way beyond his ability, like Brown before him. An inept buffoon with the keys to the kingdom.

    The sad thing I could be talking about Cameron, Milliband, Clegg or Farage. Useless tossers, one and all.
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    RichievillaRichievilla Posts: 6,179
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    GibsonSG wrote: »
    I am much reminded of that 90's sitcom "The New Statesman". Got the Tories down to a tee.
    In the good old days...you were poor...you got ill...and you died!

    Yep, sounds about right for many of them ;-)
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    dosanjh1dosanjh1 Posts: 8,727
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    2shy2007 wrote: »
    How distasteful was that? he loves to drag out his sons disability when he can, he even likes to brag how they got local services to pay for his constant respite care, my son has the same condition and we cannot even access any respite care, he drained local services of badly needed funds when in fact he was perfectly able to pay for the care himself. For that he should feel ashamed , his actions robbed someone else of that respite care who could not afford it themselves.

    I would like to know how many hours a week he actually cared for the child without any outside help. he has no idea what it is like to care for a disabled person 24/7

    I'm not keen on Cameron exploiting his son to defend his handling of the NHS/welfare but the point of these services is that he has the same rights and access as anyone else.
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    Nessun DormaNessun Dorma Posts: 12,846
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    last month

    "I love Scotland. I love the National Health Service. I was born into the National Health Service. I grew up in the National Health Service," Mr Brown said.

    "When I lost the sight of my eye and faced the prospect of going blind, my sight was saved by the National Health Service.

    "When my daughter died, it was a result of not being able to do anything to save her life and my respect for the National Health Service grew as a result of the experience that Sarah and I had.

    "Do you think that I or anybody else who cares about the National Health Service would stand by and do nothing if we thought the National Health Service was going to be privatised in Scotland and its funds were going to be cut? Would we stand back and do nothing without a fight? Of course not!"

    How many ties since and before?

    This speech was not to counter criticism of his governance of the NHS, but to praise its magnificent work it carries out day after day. .
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    trevgotrevgo Posts: 28,241
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    I think Cameron has more decency in his little finger than the entire Labour front bench added together.

    If Labour stopped bleating about how "only they are the party of the NHS" then I'm sure he would never mention his son.

    Why, however, any party want to defend our pitiful health service I do not understand. The party that would get my vote on health would be the one who had the guts to scrap the thing and start again.
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    Nessun DormaNessun Dorma Posts: 12,846
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    trevgo wrote: »
    I think Cameron has more decency in his little finger than the entire Labour front bench added together.

    If Labour stopped bleating about how "only they are the party of the NHS" then I'm sure he would never mention his son.

    Why, however, any party want to defend our pitiful health service I do not understand. The party that would get my vote on health would be the one who had the guts to scrap the thing and start again.

    How about some comparative examples, because I can imagine some people can come up with a few that will not show Cameron in a very good light. The subject of this thread is a very good indication of his lack of integrity.
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    CRTHDCRTHD Posts: 7,602
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    MC_Satan wrote: »
    Every time. It is very distasteful and feels it exonerates him from any criticism. Like a racist saying he has a black friend.

    Or a socialist saying he knows poor people.
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    Nessun DormaNessun Dorma Posts: 12,846
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    Or a work and pensions minister who is basing his crusade on a morning's visit to a council estate fifteen years ago.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    No one should be beyond questioning, certainly not the PM, and use of this to block questions about important issues is simply wrong. He's there to be questioned.
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    2shy20072shy2007 Posts: 52,579
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    dosanjh1 wrote: »
    I'm not keen on Cameron exploiting his son to defend his handling of the NHS/welfare but the point of these services is that he has the same rights and access as anyone else.

    Yes he did, but there is only a certain amount given to these services and it is accessed through social services, a multi millionaire could afford such services themselves, most families with a disabled child cannot as

    We on benefits get told we should not expect to be 'entitled' yet he drains a services quite severely , as the care was constant. Anyone with any decency would not have drained those resources if they were in his financial position.

    Just because you are entitled, does not make it morally right.then again, he does not strike me as a man with morals.

    As with DLA, approx £500 a month, he claimed that too, would that really make any difference to him and his family? I very much doubt it, but he claimed because he was 'entitled'

    The difference with the respite was, there is only a limited amount and by taking the service he denied another family of the service.
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