Zoe Quinn and the corruption in video games media/journalism....

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  • tghe-retfordtghe-retford Posts: 26,449
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    I think this whole issue seems to show that the fight to ensure ethics, transparency and impartiality in video game journalism should go beyond those said journalists to the rest of the media. The broadcast media in the last 24-48 hours have been more than happy to cover Brianna Wu's side of the story and paint GamerGate as a terrorist organisation without evidence or facts but refuse to cover the other side of the story or at best, a paragraph of tweets unhappy at the media coverage. You'll not see the media cover an interview about GamerGate with Adam Baldwin for example. The UK newspapers appear to have learned nothing from the Leveson Inquiry.

    I also aim those allegations of bias toward the UK public service broadcaster, the BBC. Rory Cellan Jones, BBC technology correspondent was more than happy to tweet a story that GamerGate was being alleged to be a terror organisation without any fact-checking or proof. MSNBC and CNN were more than happy to cover one side of a story alleging GamerGate is a misogynistic movement, again without any fact-checking or proof other than someone's word for it.

    No wonder why people are posting so many YouTube links, aside from a few relatively unknown media outlets, its the only place you can hear the other side of the debate!
  • darkjedimasterdarkjedimaster Posts: 18,621
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    Anita Sarkeesian, a feminist cultural critic who has become a target of harassment by gamers, canceled a public speech scheduled for Wednesday after the college holding the event received threats of violence.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/technology/gamergate-women-video-game-threats-anita-sarkeesian.html?_r=0
  • NefratiNefrati Posts: 558
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    I think this whole issue seems to show that the fight to ensure ethics, transparency and impartiality in video game journalism should go beyond those said journalists to the rest of the media. The broadcast media in the last 24-48 hours have been more than happy to cover Brianna Wu's side of the story and paint GamerGate as a terrorist organisation without evidence or facts but refuse to cover the other side of the story or at best, a paragraph of tweets unhappy at the media coverage. You'll not see the media cover an interview about GamerGate with Adam Baldwin for example. The UK newspapers appear to have learned nothing from the Leveson Inquiry.

    I also aim those allegations of bias toward the UK public service broadcaster, the BBC. Rory Cellan Jones, BBC technology correspondent was more than happy to tweet a story that GamerGate was being alleged to be a terror organisation without any fact-checking or proof. MSNBC and CNN were more than happy to cover one side of a story alleging GamerGate is a misogynistic movement, again without any fact-checking or proof other than someone's word for it.

    No wonder why people are posting so many YouTube links, aside from a few relatively unknown media outlets, its the only place you can hear the other side of the debate!


    Yep

    The Lie Heard Around the World #GamerGate #NotYourShield
    Sargon of Akkad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaAJBKmi5I
    Just looking at the latest "coverage" on "mainstream" press its just disturbing. That was MSNBC a few a days ago, which amounted to little more than a hit piece.

    The entire thing is just revealing so much about how corrupt and unreliable the media is.

    Even the bbc's had Anita on uncritical several times.


    Anita Sarkeesian, a feminist cultural critic who has become a target of harassment by gamers, canceled a public speech scheduled for Wednesday after the college holding the event received threats of violence.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/technology/gamergate-women-video-game-threats-anita-sarkeesian.html?_r=0

    "“Utah State University police is coordinating the threat information with other local, state and federal agencies, including the Utah Statewide Information and Analysis Center, the FBI Cyber Terrorism Task Force, and the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit,” said a statement issued by the university police department at 4 p.m. on October 14 on the website of the school’s newspaper, Utah State Today. “After a careful assessment of the threat it has been determined it is similar to other threats that Sarkeesian has received in the past, and all university business will be conducted as scheduled tomorrow.”"
    Sarkeesian "Threat Not Real" Says Utah State University Official
    Paul Elam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igpfbZ81zcU

    As usual, its more about her victimhood than anything she has to say. The threat wasn't real, as was immediately obvious from anyone who had read the content, it read like something a feminist would have wrote. They are the ones who regularly bring up lepine in arguments where they need to smear groups as shooters. Anyways, Anita doesn't care, job done, attention received and discussion derailed for a day. But their shots are always short term, and this has been 2 months of gamergate not letting up no matter what these people throw our way.
  • NefratiNefrati Posts: 558
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    A Conversation with #GamerGate and #NotYourShield
    Sargon of Akkad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzW9EkyP1c4


    Anita Sarkeesians 'MASSACRE' threats, real, or FAKE?
    Thunderf00t
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgHmTmUjFF0

    Anita Sarkeesian Cancels Appearance at Utah State University
    jordanowen42
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra2eKUvhfzM
  • MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    Depression Quest is appallingly bad. Ill informed and badly written.

    The rest of it is people who like the sound of their own voices yelling at each other from entrenched positions. It's a pointless squabble amongst a distinct sub group.
  • NefratiNefrati Posts: 558
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    MC_Satan wrote: »
    Depression Quest is appallingly bad. Ill informed and badly written.

    The rest of it is people who like the sound of their own voices yelling at each other from entrenched positions. It's a pointless squabble amongst a distinct sub group.

    Difference is that gamers are a diverse group numbering in the hundreds of millions.

    I'm sure one can cherry pick some dirtbags out of that huge group.

    But on the other hand, the anti gamer gate people in question are professionals with power, acting like children.

    Erin Gloria Ryan Jezebel "news editor"
    https://twitter.com/Int_Aristocrat/status/522837365765578753
    http://imgur.com/eXeFESS

    Sam Biddle gawker "writer" smash a nerd day
    https://twitter.com/jordanowen42/status/523017809522339841
    http://imgur.com/vc81unV
  • stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    Wow. Finally watched a Sargon Of Akkad video. Man, that dude is tiresome.

    Interestingly, it was a video from last year in which he talks about Sarkeesian. LONG before GamerGate. It's almost as if his thing all along has been criticising her, and the issue of journalistic ethics is inconsequential.
  • CryolemonCryolemon Posts: 8,670
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    stoatie wrote: »
    Wow. Finally watched a Sargon Of Akkad video. Man, that dude is tiresome.

    Interestingly, it was a video from last year in which he talks about Sarkeesian. LONG before GamerGate. It's almost as if his thing all along has been criticising her, and the issue of journalistic ethics is inconsequential.

    The ethics thing got tacked on later, after the whole "five guys" bollocks. People have been trolling Saarkesion and Quinn for a long time.

    I'm actually somewhat surprised that Patricia Hernandez has escaped most of the trolling, especially since she is implicated in some of the ethics issues (allegedly reviewing a game made by a woman she was living with, for example)
  • DinkyDoobieDinkyDoobie Posts: 17,786
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    stoatie wrote: »
    Wow. Finally watched a Sargon Of Akkad video. Man, that dude is tiresome.

    Interestingly, it was a video from last year in which he talks about Sarkeesian. LONG before GamerGate. It's almost as if his thing all along has been criticising her, and the issue of journalistic ethics is inconsequential.

    Was that because a while ago she used kickstarter to get something like $100,000 to challenge the roles of women in video games or something and has hardly done anything with the money?
  • stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    Was that because a while ago she used kickstarter to get something like $100,000 to challenge the roles of women in video games or something and has hardly done anything with the money?

    Dunno, the stuff I watched seemed to be more about how she didn't know as much about comics as he did. Although I await with interest the results of his Patreon funding campaign.
  • DinkyDoobieDinkyDoobie Posts: 17,786
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    stoatie wrote: »
    Dunno, the stuff I watched seemed to be more about how she didn't know as much about comics as he did. Although I await with interest the results of his Patreon funding campaign.

    She is an idiot though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PJ0JPLg_-8&list=UU7Edgk9RxP7Fm7vjQ1d-cDA

    I dont even know what to make of this, apparently she doesn't like tanks in video games because they're phallic and driven by muscular men... or something.
  • MoggioMoggio Posts: 4,289
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    #gamergate are a bunch of losers. Whatever value there may have been to begin with has been polluted by anime-avatar toting neckbeards bitter that no-one loves them.

    The whole thing is a lost cause.
  • CryolemonCryolemon Posts: 8,670
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    Moggio wrote: »
    #gamergate are a bunch of losers.

    Indeed, but what that does is poison the debate to the point that it becomes impossible to criticize people like Quinn and Sarkeesion because anyone who does gets associated with GG.
  • NefratiNefrati Posts: 558
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    Moggio wrote: »
    #gamergate are a bunch of losers. Whatever value there may have been to begin with has been polluted by anime-avatar toting neckbeards bitter that no-one loves them.

    The whole thing is a lost cause.

    So I guess you'd be fine with calling feminists a bunch of fat ugly women who can't get a date then right?

    That is the level of argument you've just resorted to.

    And frankly its the perfect example of why gamers are angry, and why gamergate is about the lack of integrity in not just media but in reasoning in general.

    A Conversation with #GamerGate and #NotYourShield
    Sargon of Akkad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzW9EkyP1c4


    Oliver Campbell stream #gamergate Threedog's news radio
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8SG7QuxqD4


    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0GzE_pIQAAZt6Y.jpg:large
    That's the truth of the matter, one one side you have hundreds of millions of gamers, vs a small clique of white hipster sjws who should be conducting themselves as professional adults who represent the companies they work for, but instead are just acting worse than anything they can point at.
    Cryolemon wrote: »
    Indeed, but what that does is poison the debate to the point that it becomes impossible to criticize people like Quinn and Sarkeesion because anyone who does gets associated with GG.


    Again, the assumption behind your aversion to GG is based on what exactly other than easily dismissed smears of the corrupt media which have been carpet bombing all media outlets with dishonest smears against the community. What poisons the debate? Its them. Have you actually looked at what gamergate is, or did you only get your ideas from kotaku, or one of the other corrupt outlets, or wikipedia which is in turn corrupted by the constant flood of dishonest articles which become sources for citation. Or the bbc and other news outlets which are too lazy and also lack the journalistic integrity to do actual fair reporting on the issue. Which is again, why gamers are legitimately angry.

    The Lie Heard Around the World #GamerGate #NotYourShield
    Sargon of Akkad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaAJBKmi5I
    As I said before, that's video from just a few days ago where you see just how one sided the coverage is, and how blatantly these people lie.
  • NefratiNefrati Posts: 558
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    Cryolemon wrote: »
    The ethics thing got tacked on later, after the whole "five guys" bollocks. People have been trolling Saarkesion and Quinn for a long time.

    I'm actually somewhat surprised that Patricia Hernandez has escaped most of the trolling, especially since she is implicated in some of the ethics issues (allegedly reviewing a game made by a woman she was living with, for example)

    Its the other way around. Sarkeesian has trolled the gaming community for a long long time. She is the female version of Jack Thompson or the contemporary of Mary Whitehouse except that she has the full protection of the press and all criticism is simply dismissed as misogyny. Even Jack Thompson received death threats, but people didn't take him seriously because he was a man and because his ideas were supportable and clownish, but Anita and the corrupt media have somehow made it a thought crime to dare criticize the woman, and its led to what we have now.

    Gamergate came after Anita, but Anita was only allowed to become this big because the games media has been infested and corrupted for so long. Gamergate was the point where the lid finally got blown off.

    There was no trolling of Anita, it was entirely the other way around. You don't say stupid things and then shut off all discussion and smirk and pretend you've done nothing.

    As justicar explains
    "Dear NoelPlum99: Anita Sarkeesian and Trolling"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m_zV3K3KNQ&list=UUeFlOi54kYIgbJHt_1ApDpg

    Imagine someone speaking against Scottish independence claiming they were a scot, but it turns out they were lying...
  • NefratiNefrati Posts: 558
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    stoatie wrote: »
    Wow. Finally watched a Sargon Of Akkad video. Man, that dude is tiresome.

    Interestingly, it was a video from last year in which he talks about Sarkeesian. LONG before GamerGate. It's almost as if his thing all along has been criticising her, and the issue of journalistic ethics is inconsequential.

    Again it wasn't inconsequential. The problem of Anita existed before the lid was blown off the situation. How and why the press was basically stonewalling for Sarkeesian was not really known before this point, it was just kind of chalked up to massive levels of political correctness. The pieces of the puzzle weren't all out yet at that point, Anita came out with her nonsense, and people were outraged and started to debunk it. They then noticed that discussion on her was shut down whenever possible, and the discussion was always steered into it being about misogyny and about her supposed harassment. Almost no coverage of her was critical or about her work even, basically if you google up all the countless articles and stories done on her, even by the bbc, its all about her victimhood narrative, her work is not part of the picture.

    Thunderf00t has a great series of videos on Anita, she tried to sink him by flagging his twitter account, she silenced him for 3 weeks in the last month thanks to this false flag based on no substantive evidence at all, she just claimed that some threat sent from england or whatever must have meant that thunderf00t was the one who sent it. Either she's not very smart or she's malicious to make a complaint based on so little. But twitter being cowed by feminists took it and ran with it, and she being a woman isn't held to account for her actions.

    Anyways



    Anita Sarkeesian Debunked in Under a Minute
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734

    Anita Sarkeesian, Teleseminar Success Story
    Sargon of Akkad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpw3wHn9Sk


    On Anita and her masters thesis, you can see the level of "academic" work that goes into being a feminist
    Anita Sarkeesian Part 1: The College Graduate
    Instig8iveJournalism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI


    Anita Sarkeesian Part 2: Burqa Beach Party
    Instig8iveJournalism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpFk5F-S_hI

    Thunderf00ts series debunking her
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQJW3WMsx1q3BAZh3XsK1cSwCiaqjSulc

    Thunderf00ts series explaining how these same sjw's and feminists destroyed atheism conferences
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQJW3WMsx1q1OkWXNYx0Oozq6fpNCvvKZ
    Its interesting because the same tactics were used then, its just that gamers actually fought back a lot harder.

    And yet another one of her lies.
    She knew about 4chan long before she claimed to be surprised they would come after her
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fyF3xWz8vA


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MQuEjiU2KQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqJCCnued6c
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwwFx-tz9TY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lERF9q40iS0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hie1UFUdSRk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAHt7RG67Ok

    And theres so much more out there.

    I'm sure I already linked most of sargons other videos ....they delve into feminist infiltration of academia and the rest...digra and all that. Not all sargons videos are concise, the streams are long, but that's due to no editing and youtube streams being a mess to work with in the first place. But tell me where he's wrong, because he's not. Sarkeesian simply can't be defended, the dishonesty is just too blatant, the evidence against her too stark, which only makes the stone wall defense of her in the media all the more perplexing. From her narrative which doesn't hold up to simple scrutiny, there is literally video of her saying she isn't a gamer when she claimed she had been a life long gamer when it suited her kickstarter. To her arguments which are on the level of a creationist, all baseless assertions, no concern for evidence or reason.

    If you want more concise arguments from edited videos, then thunderf00t and the other links will do better. But sargon as he's shown with his digra series also does concise presentations well. So to call him tiresome is not really fair, I mean did you really know everything already?
  • NefratiNefrati Posts: 558
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    https://twitter.com/oliverbcampbell/status/523598999886897152
    http://www.mediafire.com/download/1zyjznam05qybuk/Threedog%27s+%23Gamergate+News+Radio+Ep+4.mp3
    Threedog's #Gamergate News Radio Ep 4 mp3!

    Mp3 version to listen to on the go, a worthy listen, industry insider provides insight.
  • stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    Nefrati wrote: »
    If you want more concise arguments from edited videos, then thunderf00t and the other links will do better. But sargon as he's shown with his digra series also does concise presentations well. So to call him tiresome is not really fair, I mean did you really know everything already?

    To be honest I gave up when he started implying he understood more about comics than Gail Simone. Gail Simone, FFS! Yeah, tiresome. Also calls himself Sargon Of Akkad, which is another not-exactly-plus point.
  • tghe-retfordtghe-retford Posts: 26,449
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    Moggio wrote: »
    #gamergate are a bunch of losers. Whatever value there may have been to begin with has been polluted by anime-avatar toting neckbeards bitter that no-one loves them.

    The whole thing is a lost cause.
    Its funny how critics of GamerGate seem to only be able to respond with ad-hominem attacks instead of logical and rational debate. I sent this to CBC, the Canadian equivalent of the BBC, when their news division published a divisive flowchart to smear pro-GGers:

    https://twitter.com/tgheretford/status/523794781546487808
  • MoggioMoggio Posts: 4,289
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    It's cute that there are people still clinging on to #gamergate as if it isn't dying a quick death.

    People need a tribe though, I guess. Hopefully they'll grow up soon.
  • tghe-retfordtghe-retford Posts: 26,449
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    Moggio wrote: »
    It's cute that there are people still clinging on to #gamergate as if it isn't dying a quick death.

    People need a tribe though, I guess. Hopefully they'll grow up soon.
    “Behind this mask there is more than just flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea... and ideas are bulletproof.” - Alan Moore, V For Vendetta

    There's a reason why GamerGate isn't dying - behind it is an idea and that idea is bulletproof, no matter what Quinn, Wu and Sarkeesian throw at them with the help of the mainstream media. That idea is the clean-up of immorality, unethical behaviour and misinformation from the gaming industry.
  • Tony TigerTony Tiger Posts: 2,254
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    Excellent posts from Nefrati.
  • Tal'shiarTal'shiar Posts: 2,290
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    “Behind this mask there is more than just flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea... and ideas are bulletproof.” - Alan Moore, V For Vendetta

    There's a reason why GamerGate isn't dying - behind it is an idea and that idea is bulletproof, no matter what Quinn, Wu and Sarkeesian throw at them with the help of the mainstream media. That idea is the clean-up of immorality, unethical behaviour and misinformation from the gaming industry.

    BIB: I just vomited in my mouth....

    Do all the gamergate people wear long black trenchcoats and listen to Dope all day? or is this just a biased attack from a sniveling Quinn worshiper?
  • tghe-retfordtghe-retford Posts: 26,449
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    Tony Tiger wrote: »
    Excellent posts from Nefrati.
    Agreed. I'd also recommend watching the videos and researching the other side of the debate the mainstream media refuses to cover. Its ironic that when there are complaints about corruption and unethical practices in gaming media, mainstream media take them at face value without doing their job of actually investigating and being impartial.
    Tal'shiar wrote: »
    Do all the gamergate people wear long black trenchcoats and listen to Dope all day?
    No and no.
    Tal'shiar wrote: »
    or is this just a biased attack from a sniveling Quinn worshiper?
    Um... I don't understand.
  • Tal'shiarTal'shiar Posts: 2,290
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    Agreed. I'd also recommend watching the videos and researching the other side of the debate the mainstream media refuses to cover. Its ironic that when there are complaints about corruption and unethical practices in gaming media, mainstream media take them at face value without doing their job of actually investigating and being impartial.

    No and no.

    Um... I don't understand.

    It was a joke, much like gamergate, and the entire gaming media (I refuse to call it journalism, as that is a silly joke)

    Why people are getting all pissed off by it is both amusing and depressing. Are you telling me that gamespot has a vested interest in giving the very same games it receives money to advertise good review scores? Are you hinting that the cosy relationship of the game publishers and game reviews has rendered the entire industry suspect? are you also implying that once money because the motivating factor, most "journos" are content to give hype up everything, and even at best its an opinion, but for the most part its their job to help sell games? OH MY WORD, HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE!!

    Its like a bunch of children all of a sudden woke up to some VERY VERY VERY basic facts of life, and are all butt hurt about the fact that people out their, shock horror, have a finical interest in duping them!

    Whatever next! Porn is just an industry that sells fantasies and smut, and it isnt actually what real life is like?! Maybe, just maybe, the rapid influx of mass media is a easy way to keep the masses contented with never bothering to question what goes on in the world. Hmm, I am starting to think maybe reality TV is staged somewhat, you know, in order to get more views.

    Do news papers tell lies? oh my word, what revelation!
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