Right. So it's just a guess, a wild stab in the dark, that people won't be able to see pixels on a 300+ PPI display held 10" or so away.
A very lucky guess as it turns out, seeing as people can't make out pixels on such a device at that sort of distance.
I mean really - what were the odds?
But i did see pixel boundaries at that distance. Are you not following this or what? Do not mention aliased images btw, because these science articles you've posted do NOT say the colours are close, but the retina noticing detail.
Have you actually read and understood the articles you've been posting?
Pretty much - if you could talk me through the parts that are wrong, that might help though.
Thanks in advance.
If you've understood it then where do they say that the eye can not see a change of colour in the arcminute of an angle? Because this is all an aliased line is basically. They say the eye CAN see this detail which comes from the basic historical eye test. According to these articles the human eye can see aliased lines.
In the same vein as the op, there's now a page for the iPad.
II think my favourite outlandish claim is the description of being able to edit photos on a tablet as
"even more remarkable " http://www.apple.com/ipad/why-ipad-retina/
I was focusing on what the article said, rather than what it didn't say.
As I've said before, I don't know why you feel the need to go out of your way to come up with examples that don't typically apply to typical use of a phone or tablet.
I, along with most people, don't really care about aliased lines, because I don't tend to use a phone to look at 1px diagonal aliased lines.
In the same vein as the op, there's now a page for the iPad.
II think my favourite outlandish claim is the description of being able to edit photos on a tablet as
"even more remarkable " http://www.apple.com/ipad/why-ipad-retina/
I've just had a look. Same sort of thing as with the iPhone page, isn't it?
I think they're right to highlight battery life, which is very good on the iPad. I recently got four days of standby and ten hours of use out of mine. And iCloud too. And probably the customer satisfaction stuff. After all, it's a sales page. The apps thing can be argued both ways, I suppose.
I was focusing on what the article said, rather than what it didn't say.
As I've said before, I don't know why you feel the need to go out of your way to come up with examples that don't typically apply to typical use of a phone or tablet.
I, along with most people, don't really care about aliased lines, because I don't tend to use a phone to look at 1px diagonal aliased lines.
My point is it breaks the entire foundation that the retina "science" is based on. It is nothing more than marketing. And to say it is anything more than that is a lie or ignorance. I am happy to discuss the science behind it as long as you are.
Initially in this thread you were banging on about how scientific retina was but i was not willing to discuss it because i knew it would turn in to this.
I wanted to just say its a marketing term that is useless to the customer because the competition aren't allowed to use the term, which makes it valueless to many customers that would even look at what retina even means.
I think they're right to highlight battery life, which is very good on the iPad. I recently got four days of standby and ten hours of use out of mine. And iCloud too. And probably the customer satisfaction stuff. After all, it's a sales page. The apps thing can be argued both ways, I suppose.
That is very good. About the same i get from my Nexus 10.
I've got some stories to post about iCloud if you really want them... They aren't good.
That is very good. About the same i get from my Nexus 10.
I've got some stories to post about iCloud if you really want them... They aren't good.
Yeah, with the iPad the battery is massive, flexible and just glued around the other components. Not sure if it's the same on the Nexus 10.
Ha, I've heard some horror stories about iCloud, but it's always worked fine for me. I restored everything to my iPhone 5 from the backup, and it backs up my devices without me having to remember to do it. It syncs my calendar entries, contacts etc, and Photo Stream works really well. I often use it for editing photos on my iPad that I took on my iPhone.
Actually, on Photo Stream, I didn't realise until recently how well it integrates with Windows. I knew that on the Mac, it keeps photos permanently, but I assumed this was reserved just for Macs. But it does it with Windows now. So the photos I take on my iPhone (I would say iPad too, but I don't take pictures with my iPad because I'm not a tool) are just uploaded to my laptop automatically. (I'm not saying this is unique to Apple. I know that Android does the same with Dropbox and G+ auto-uploading.)
Actually, on Photo Stream, I didn't realise until recently how well it integrates with Windows. I knew that on the Mac, it keeps photos permanently, but I assumed this was reserved just for Macs. But it does it with Windows now. So the photos I take on my iPhone (I would say iPad too, but I don't take pictures with my iPad because I'm not a tool) are just uploaded to my laptop automatically. (I'm not saying this is unique to Apple. I know that Android does the same with Dropbox and G+ auto-uploading.)
I never even realised how well Photo Stream integrated with windows till i got rid of my iPhone, though it was a change since i got rid of it.
My bro-in-law shared a stream with me by email and since then i've still got a photo stream location in "My Computer".
I never even realised how well Photo Stream integrated with windows till i got rid of my iPhone, though it was a change since i got rid of it.
My bro-in-law shared a stream with me by email and since then i've still got a photo stream location in "My Computer".
Yeah, I actually couldn't believe it when I realised I could add photos and share a Photo Stream from my Windows computer. I honestly thought that would be a Mac only feature.
presumably itunes does all the work for syncing Windows photo streams?
No, it doesn't use iTunes at all. It's a Windows shell extension so there's just a Photo Stream icon accessible from My Computer, and a Photo Stream folder within the standard Pictures folder.
My point is it breaks the entire foundation that the retina "science" is based on. It is nothing more than marketing. And to say it is anything more than that is a lie or ignorance. I am happy to discuss the science behind it as long as you are.
Initially in this thread you were banging on about how scientific retina was but i was not willing to discuss it because i knew it would turn in to this.
I wanted to just say its a marketing term that is useless to the customer because the competition aren't allowed to use the term, which makes it valueless to many customers that would even look at what retina even means.
Its not "just" a marketing term though.
And its not useless to the customer, assuming the customer isn't an idiot.
From the article:
" Firstly, although Apple invented the term out of whole cloth, it does offer a definition: "the Retina display's pixel density is so high, your eye is unable to distinguish individual pixels." That has meaning."
Regarding "where do they say that the eye can not see a change of colour in the arcminute of an angle?", where is any such claim made?
The claim isn't about that, the claim is about what people can see of the sort of things they are looking at on these types of screens.
And single pixel aliased lines are atypical of that.
Looking at this article, does this mean you've been clever enough to spot something a retinal neuroscientist missed?
Or, as my money would be on, you've only spotted something that missed the point, and am happy to accept his conclusion that:
"I'd find Apple’s claims stand up to what the human eye can perceive."
In the same vein as the op, there's now a page for the iPad.
II think my favourite outlandish claim is the description of being able to edit photos on a tablet as
"even more remarkable " http://www.apple.com/ipad/why-ipad-retina/
They are clearly trying to bullshit people into buying inferior Apple products.
I've just had a look. Same sort of thing as with the iPhone page, isn't it?
I think they're right to highlight battery life, which is very good on the iPad. I recently got four days of standby and ten hours of use out of mine. And iCloud too. And probably the customer satisfaction stuff. After all, it's a sales page. The apps thing can be argued both ways, I suppose.
iCloud? iCloud has been a disaster from the word go. Along with Apple Maps.
It was supposed to be an improved version of MobileMe...
So what - It has multitasking where it matters. I am forever inadvertently flattening the battery on my Nexus 4 but never on my iPhone. I put this down to the wonderful all singing all dancing multitasking on Android. It's definitely a two edged sword, I get all the multitasking I need from IOS, but because it's tightly controlled by the O/S it's less likely to run away with the battery.
You won't find me arguing about Maps, but I disagree completely about iCloud. For me, it works perfectly. What's your problem with it, exactly?
I personally don't use it but have heard constant reports of downtime (so much Apple created a status page) and Apple's censoring of potentially 'pornographic' emails was also a step too far.
So what - It has multitasking where it matters. I am forever inadvertently flattening the battery on my Nexus 4 but never on my iPhone. I put this down to the wonderful all singing all dancing multitasking on Android. It's definitely a two edged sword, I get all the multitasking I need from IOS, but because it's tightly controlled by the O/S it's less likely to run away with the battery.
It doesn't have multitasking where it matters. For example, start to load a page in Safari and then return to the home screen before the page has loaded. Return 5 minutes later and the page will be exactly how you left it (unloaded). Apple's method is unintuitive.
Android on the over hand allows apps to run simultaneously in the background. This is true multitasking and is far less restrictive. Apps can also make use of running processes in the background, when the user leaves the app (something which couldn't be done on iOS).
It doesn't have multitasking where it matters. For example, start to load a page in Safari and then return to the home screen before the page has loaded. Return 5 minutes later and the page will be exactly how you left it (unloaded). Apple's method is unintuitive.
Android on the over hand allows apps to run simultaneously in the background. This is true multitasking and is far less restrictive. Apps can also make use of running processes in the background, when the user leaves the app (something which couldn't be done on iOS).
The browser on both my android phone and iPad mini will reload the page when you return to the app.
iOS also allows apps to run in the background so I don't understand what you are saying.
It is true (in my experience) that you have to spend more time managing apps on android as they tend to eat battery and memory a lot more than iOS.
The browser on both my android phone and iPad mini will reload the page when you return to the app.
iOS also allows apps to run in the background so I don't understand what you are saying.
It is true (in my experience) that you have to spend more time managing apps on android as they tend to eat battery and memory a lot more than iOS.
I don't think you understand.
When you leave a page loading in Safari it won't be loaded until you reopen the app. Whereas Android allow applications to run processes even if the user isn't actively using the app. You say that this method uses more battery life but this isn't true. iOS uses just as much battery (and with iOS 6's problems, if not more)...
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Where does Apple state 10"? Also, I asked you for an official Apple definition previously. Which you haven't provided.
Why can't you accept Retina is pure crap?
But i did see pixel boundaries at that distance. Are you not following this or what? Do not mention aliased images btw, because these science articles you've posted do NOT say the colours are close, but the retina noticing detail.
Have you actually read and understood the articles you've been posting?
Thanks in advance.
The 10" is from Jobs' original quote.
I don't really understand why you need an Official Definition to understand what it refers to.
If you've understood it then where do they say that the eye can not see a change of colour in the arcminute of an angle? Because this is all an aliased line is basically. They say the eye CAN see this detail which comes from the basic historical eye test. According to these articles the human eye can see aliased lines.
II think my favourite outlandish claim is the description of being able to edit photos on a tablet as
"even more remarkable "
http://www.apple.com/ipad/why-ipad-retina/
As I've said before, I don't know why you feel the need to go out of your way to come up with examples that don't typically apply to typical use of a phone or tablet.
I, along with most people, don't really care about aliased lines, because I don't tend to use a phone to look at 1px diagonal aliased lines.
I've just had a look. Same sort of thing as with the iPhone page, isn't it?
I think they're right to highlight battery life, which is very good on the iPad. I recently got four days of standby and ten hours of use out of mine. And iCloud too. And probably the customer satisfaction stuff. After all, it's a sales page. The apps thing can be argued both ways, I suppose.
My point is it breaks the entire foundation that the retina "science" is based on. It is nothing more than marketing. And to say it is anything more than that is a lie or ignorance. I am happy to discuss the science behind it as long as you are.
Initially in this thread you were banging on about how scientific retina was but i was not willing to discuss it because i knew it would turn in to this.
I wanted to just say its a marketing term that is useless to the customer because the competition aren't allowed to use the term, which makes it valueless to many customers that would even look at what retina even means.
That is very good. About the same i get from my Nexus 10.
I've got some stories to post about iCloud if you really want them...
Yeah, with the iPad the battery is massive, flexible and just glued around the other components. Not sure if it's the same on the Nexus 10.
Ha, I've heard some horror stories about iCloud, but it's always worked fine for me. I restored everything to my iPhone 5 from the backup, and it backs up my devices without me having to remember to do it. It syncs my calendar entries, contacts etc, and Photo Stream works really well. I often use it for editing photos on my iPad that I took on my iPhone.
Actually, on Photo Stream, I didn't realise until recently how well it integrates with Windows. I knew that on the Mac, it keeps photos permanently, but I assumed this was reserved just for Macs. But it does it with Windows now. So the photos I take on my iPhone (I would say iPad too, but I don't take pictures with my iPad because I'm not a tool) are just uploaded to my laptop automatically. (I'm not saying this is unique to Apple. I know that Android does the same with Dropbox and G+ auto-uploading.)
I never even realised how well Photo Stream integrated with windows till i got rid of my iPhone, though it was a change since i got rid of it.
My bro-in-law shared a stream with me by email and since then i've still got a photo stream location in "My Computer".
Yeah, I actually couldn't believe it when I realised I could add photos and share a Photo Stream from my Windows computer. I honestly thought that would be a Mac only feature.
No, it doesn't use iTunes at all. It's a Windows shell extension so there's just a Photo Stream icon accessible from My Computer, and a Photo Stream folder within the standard Pictures folder.
EDIT: I've added a few screenshots to Dropbox.
Here's what it looks like in My Computer:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lcyw4uid8xe2dbq/Photo%20Stream.jpg
And the actual Photo Stream window:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gd43ciba9pryits/Photo%20Stream%202.jpg
If you right click and select New Stream, this happens:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1s2dteijxbv9hvo/Photo%20Stream%203.jpg
Then you choose who you're going to send it to, and just add photos to it from your computer.
Its not "just" a marketing term though.
And its not useless to the customer, assuming the customer isn't an idiot.
From the article:
" Firstly, although Apple invented the term out of whole cloth, it does offer a definition: "the Retina display's pixel density is so high, your eye is unable to distinguish individual pixels." That has meaning."
Regarding "where do they say that the eye can not see a change of colour in the arcminute of an angle?", where is any such claim made?
The claim isn't about that, the claim is about what people can see of the sort of things they are looking at on these types of screens.
And single pixel aliased lines are atypical of that.
Looking at this article, does this mean you've been clever enough to spot something a retinal neuroscientist missed?
Or, as my money would be on, you've only spotted something that missed the point, and am happy to accept his conclusion that:
"I'd find Apple’s claims stand up to what the human eye can perceive."
They are clearly trying to bullshit people into buying inferior Apple products.
iOS doesn't have true multitasking either.
iCloud? iCloud has been a disaster from the word go. Along with Apple Maps.
It was supposed to be an improved version of MobileMe...
So what - It has multitasking where it matters. I am forever inadvertently flattening the battery on my Nexus 4 but never on my iPhone. I put this down to the wonderful all singing all dancing multitasking on Android. It's definitely a two edged sword, I get all the multitasking I need from IOS, but because it's tightly controlled by the O/S it's less likely to run away with the battery.
You won't find me arguing about Maps, but I disagree completely about iCloud. For me, it works perfectly. What's your problem with it, exactly?
I personally don't use it but have heard constant reports of downtime (so much Apple created a status page) and Apple's censoring of potentially 'pornographic' emails was also a step too far.
It doesn't have multitasking where it matters. For example, start to load a page in Safari and then return to the home screen before the page has loaded. Return 5 minutes later and the page will be exactly how you left it (unloaded). Apple's method is unintuitive.
Android on the over hand allows apps to run simultaneously in the background. This is true multitasking and is far less restrictive. Apps can also make use of running processes in the background, when the user leaves the app (something which couldn't be done on iOS).
The browser on both my android phone and iPad mini will reload the page when you return to the app.
iOS also allows apps to run in the background so I don't understand what you are saying.
It is true (in my experience) that you have to spend more time managing apps on android as they tend to eat battery and memory a lot more than iOS.
I have never had any issues with iCloud.
I don't think you understand.
When you leave a page loading in Safari it won't be loaded until you reopen the app. Whereas Android allow applications to run processes even if the user isn't actively using the app. You say that this method uses more battery life but this isn't true. iOS uses just as much battery (and with iOS 6's problems, if not more)...