Barbaric attitudes in the UK

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  • Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    The internet allows everyone to become a tough guy who could sort out anything from their keyboard. For the vast, vast majority, that's where it ends.
  • Slarti BartfastSlarti Bartfast Posts: 6,607
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    The internet allows everyone to become a tough guy who could sort out anything from their keyboard. For the vast, vast majority, that's where it ends.

    But why does it end there? That's what intrigues me. Does it end there because deep down their conscience says it is wrong? Or does it end there because the law does not allow it? If we lived under a different legal system, or even the absence of one, would all these people actually carry them out?
  • Speak-SoftlySpeak-Softly Posts: 24,737
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    It's just people mouthing off and it's been going on since time immemorial.

    What's worrying is that people are being judged more and more on what they say as opposed to what they do.

    Why are we obsessing more and more over what people think?
    It's not that important.
    It's what they do that matters.
  • Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    But why does it end there? That's what intrigues me. Does it end there because deep down their conscience says it is wrong? Or does it end there because the law does not allow it? If we lived under a different legal system, or even the absence of one, would all these people actually carry them out?

    No, they wouldn't. It actually takes effort, and guts to do what so many of these claim they'd do, but faced with it, they'd run a mile. It's easy to rant and rave online. it requires zero effort.
  • Speak-SoftlySpeak-Softly Posts: 24,737
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    But why does it end there? That's what intrigues me. Does it end there because deep down their conscience says it is wrong? Or does it end there because the law does not allow it? If we lived under a different legal system, or even the absence of one, would all these people actually carry them out?

    The rule of law exists because people have accepted the concept.
    We are policed by consent (eventhough it sometimes doesn't feel like that).

    The only danger is that having given up our power as individuals/groups, those that exercise it on our behalf fail.

    We are not ruled by force or threats, however much those in power want us to believe that, we are ruled by consent.
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,227
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    No, they wouldn't. It actually takes effort, and guts to do what so many of these claim they'd do, but faced with it, they'd run a mile. It's easy to rant and rave online. it requires zero effort.

    I had a good time winding up a troll the other day on YouTube. :D They were and utter moron, but fun all the same.
  • bluebladeblueblade Posts: 88,859
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    On Facebook yesterday I read some comments relating to the Anne Maguire murder and also a story about a father torturing his daughter's alleged rapist to death after inviting him round for dinner.

    By and large the comments were pretty barbaric, calling for various forms of torture and death to the murderer and alleged rapist, including beheading. It was pretty chilling actually.

    While I understand that some people post for effect, lots of the comments came from 'ordinary looking' middle aged people who don't fit the troll stereotype, and of course the vast majority are posting under their real names for all their friends, family and children to see.

    It makes me wonder if it is only the law that separates our supposedly civilised society from the more barbaric parts of the world like some areas of the middle east. In other words, if it were not illegal, would the majority of us be part of crowds stoning and hanging people or chopping their hands or heads off? It seems alien to me that people can join ISIS, for example, and be so cruel and brutal, but is that what is under the surface of civilised society?

    Agreed. Some of the remarks border on the horrific, and to my mind, place them on the same sort of level as those they seek to vilify. There are individuals in what are mainly public facebook threads, who ramp up each other's vile remarks such that the entire thread gets sucked down into a vortex of revenge porn of the most unpleasant kind.
  • Slarti BartfastSlarti Bartfast Posts: 6,607
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    No, they wouldn't. It actually takes effort, and guts to do what so many of these claim they'd do, but faced with it, they'd run a mile. It's easy to rant and rave online. it requires zero effort.

    Oh I dunno. People in Rwanda hacked their neighbours to death during the genocide because the authorities encouraged it. I would imagine most of them wanted to do something like that to someone and then the opportunity arose where they would not be prevented or punished.
  • skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,872
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    Even if that was here it's different you may not agree but you could understand a father not in his right state of mind after his daughter was raped trying to kill and hurt the person who did it that is why most places have a temporary insanity defence

    If it was a moment of utter rage and madness on seeing the person in the street or losing control on hearing of the rape and going straight to the persons house if they knew them then yes temporary insanity, but anything premeditated and planned would more than likely not come under that .
  • Slarti BartfastSlarti Bartfast Posts: 6,607
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    The rule of law exists because people have accepted the concept.
    We are policed by consent (eventhough it sometimes doesn't feel like that).

    The only danger is that having given up our power as individuals/groups, those that exercise it on our behalf fail.

    We are not ruled by force or threats, however much those in power want us to believe that, we are ruled by consent.

    Yes and no. For the most part we assent to the rule of law because it benefits us. An individual benefits from a law which prevents someone murdering him, but that doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have homicidal desires himself.

    And we most certainly are ruled by force and threats when it comes to legislation. That's the very essence of the criminal justice system.
  • Toby LaRhoneToby LaRhone Posts: 12,916
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    zx50 wrote: »
    I had a good time winding up a troll the other day on YouTube. :D They were and utter moron, but fun all the same.
    You seem to be attracted to morons.
    On the "What other forums did you used to post on?" thread:
    Originally Posted by zx50
    "The Channel 4 forums where some absolutely moronic and cretinous people used to post."
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