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The Need to change clocks back and fourth

brain_higgybrain_higgy Posts: 500
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This weekend the clocks go forward for BST so end of winter and hello spring and maybe summer but why do we do this every yr

also do we need to change clocks every yr i mean really what the use or point cant we stick to one time change also other countries in the east dont do it only the western world
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    Hugh JboobsHugh Jboobs Posts: 15,316
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    I think you're the first person to ever raise this issue on this forum.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,720
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    I change my clocks back and forth, I change my clocks back and forth.
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,609
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    Because its nice to have long, light evenings in Summer, but if we didn't change back in the Autumn, we'd have not nice long dark mornings in the Winter.
    Some Asian countries do use daylight saving eg Turkey but many don't, probably as the nearer the equator you are, the less difference there is in Summer and Winter daylight.
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    TeddybleadsTeddybleads Posts: 6,814
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    Isn't it for farmers? I thought we did it so the farmers didn't have to work so long in the dark.
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    d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,531
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    Shrike wrote: »
    Because its nice to have long, light evenings in Summer, but if we didn't change back in the Autumn, we'd have not nice long dark mornings in the Winter.
    Some Asian countries do use daylight saving eg Turkey but many don't, probably as the nearer the equator you are, the less difference there is in Summer and Winter daylight.
    But it doesn't save any daylight at all, it just shuffles it from one end of the day to the other.

    It's pointless and arbitrary, and is entirely down to personal preference and circumstances which end of the day you prefer your limited Winter daylight to be. Changing the clocks is an anachronism long overdue for abolition but I don't really care what they do beyond keeping it the same all year round. BST 24/7/365 would be fine with me.
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    gasheadgashead Posts: 13,822
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    Meilie wrote: »
    I change my clocks back and forth, I change my clocks back and forth.
    Aaarghh, earworms, earworms !! :o
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,609
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    But it doesn't save any daylight at all, it just shuffles it from one end of the day to the other.

    It's pointless and arbitrary, and is entirely down to personal preference and circumstances which end of the day you prefer your limited Winter daylight to be. It's an anachronism long overdue for abolition!

    I must admit when typing that I thought what a silly term "Daylight Saving" is :D

    I wouldn't say its anachronistic though - many, if not most, of us don't get to choose our working hours so a nationwide change is still needed.
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    d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,531
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    Shrike wrote: »
    I must admit when typing that I thought what a silly term "Daylight Saving" is :D

    I wouldn't say its anachronistic though - many, if not most, of us don't get to choose our working hours so a nationwide change is still needed.

    What I meant is that the clock changing was originally to help farmers wasn't it? In this day and age that's no longer necessary so we are left with personal preference and the population will never agree.

    So Government should pick an adjustment based on some statistic or other and stick to that all year round. BST would do me fine.
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,609
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    What I meant is that the clock changing was originally to help farmers wasn't it? In this day and age that's no longer necessary so we are left with personal preference and the population will never agree.

    So Government should pick an adjustment based on some statistic or other and stick to that all year round. BST would do me fine.

    BST would suit most of us. But our friends in the North get upset at the idea of dawn at 10am;-) The problem is that not only is Scotland north, its also a fair way west so dispreportionatly affected by year round BST.
    Still, if that nice Alex Salmond gets his way...
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    rbdcayrbdcay Posts: 12,041
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    Back and fourth? So we are turning our clocks to the fourth number forward...I am mightily confused.
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    venusinflaresvenusinflares Posts: 4,194
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    BST all year round wouldn't suit us in the north of England. It would still be dark at 9am in the winter. I don't think it would be good for those in the west either so that just leaves the south east who it would suit. There's a surprise.
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    irishfeenirishfeen Posts: 10,025
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    Its for farmers and children going to school - if the clocks were left alone it would be about 09.30am before significant sunlight in the heart of winter... its fine the way it is really.
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    emptyboxemptybox Posts: 13,917
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    Shrike wrote: »
    BST would suit most of us. But our friends in the North get upset at the idea of dawn at 10am;-) The problem is that not only is Scotland north, its also a fair way west so dispreportionatly affected by year round BST.
    Still, if that nice Alex Salmond gets his way...

    There are no proposals to do away with the clocks changing though.
    There's a proposal to move to BST in the winter and BST+1 in the summer.
    But that involves just as much clock changing as now.
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    SpotSpot Posts: 25,126
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    BST all year round wouldn't suit us in the north of England. It would still be dark at 9am in the winter. I don't think it would be good for those in the west either so that just leaves the south east who it would suit. There's a surprise.

    There are many people in the south east who don't want to see any change either.
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    0...00...0 Posts: 21,111
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    Meilie wrote: »
    I change my clocks back and forth, I change my clocks back and forth.

    :D Haha
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    skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,874
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    This weekend the clocks go forward for BST so end of winter and hello spring and maybe summer but why do we do this every yr

    also do we need to change clocks every yr i mean really what the use or point cant we stick to one time change also other countries in the east dont do it only the western world

    We experimented with this before and it ended early as it was a failure and deeply unpopular, I recall going to nursery school in the dark and it wasn't nice, it feels more natural to be going home at dusk in the winter than to school in the dark

    Many who want the change just want us to be inline with many countries in Europe which is not a natural time zone for us at all, and those who say it will increase tourism I feel are really clutching at straws , I work in the tourism industry and any such change would have no affect at all, tourists get on and do their thing anyway so the change of time wouldn't bother them, they don't all rush back to their hotel rooms the minute it gets dark.

    I say leave it as it is, there are plenty of other things need dealing with so lets leave time alone.
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    cnbcwatchercnbcwatcher Posts: 56,681
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    Shrike wrote: »
    BST would suit most of us. But our friends in the North get upset at the idea of dawn at 10am;-) The problem is that not only is Scotland north, its also a fair way west so dispreportionatly affected by year round BST.
    Still, if that nice Alex Salmond gets his way...

    Well if Scotland becomes independent maybe they can have their own time zone. Would that work?
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    venusinflaresvenusinflares Posts: 4,194
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    emptybox wrote: »
    There are no proposals to do away with the clocks changing though.
    There's a proposal to move to BST in the winter and BST+1 in the summer.
    But that involves just as much clock changing as now.

    That would be awful. The sun wouldn't rise until well after 9am in winter and it would still be daylight at 11pm in June, and for those further north than here it would be even worse.
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    SpotSpot Posts: 25,126
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    That would be awful. The sun wouldn't rise until well after 9am in winter and it would still be daylight at 11pm in June, and for those further north than here it would be even worse.

    ..and not only would it be dark at 9 a.m. (or later) in mid-winter, this would also be the case in October, just before we put the clocks back. Sunrise in the UK would move beyond 7 a.m. in the second half of August, meaning it would still be dark at 7 a.m. by mid-September.

    Let's make sure this never happens.
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    venusinflaresvenusinflares Posts: 4,194
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    Spot wrote: »
    ..and not only would it be dark at 9 a.m. (or later) in mid-winter, this would also be the case in October, just before we put the clocks back. Sunrise in the UK would move beyond 7 a.m. in the second half of August, meaning it would still be dark at 7 a.m. by mid-September.

    Let's make sure this never happens.

    It would be of no benefit to anyone apart from those who seem to think we should be on CET 'for business reasons'. If they all got to work an hour earlier then that is their problem solved without upsetting the rest of us.
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    JB3JB3 Posts: 9,308
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    I don't mind going forth, but I resent going back.Edit: I meant the other way about.
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    JB3JB3 Posts: 9,308
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    Well, that was a mess.
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    shackfanshackfan Posts: 15,461
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    I feel for the op. I mean, twice a year he has to change a few knobs or buttons, which must take at least a couple of minutes.
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    skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,874
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    It would be of no benefit to anyone apart from those who seem to think we should be on CET 'for business reasons'. If they all got to work an hour earlier then that is their problem solved without upsetting the rest of us.

    Which is ridiculous, would they say the same if it was the USA who we did most business with
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