The 'urrrgh, adults look like kids without body hair' brigade do make me laugh, because you could probably guarantee they'd be the first to turn round and go 'ewwww' at the sight of, say, a big untended bushy beard, or even slightly prominent nasal/earlobe hair, on an otherwise reasonably 'attractive' man. Either bodily hair and/or 'fur' as they like to call it is attractive to you or it isn't!
Personally I like to be able to appreciate the muscular definition, ridges, contours, contrasting surfaces etc on a finely honed adult male body, so for the purposes of that kind of eroticisation, shaved/waxed is fine with me. Likewise, a modest coating of 'natural' hair isn't a problem. It's when you get into thick, black, densely curly territory that I really get turned off - like Steve Martin said in The Man With Two Brains, "I can't f**k a gorilla!!"
I think there is inherent 'judgement' in this thread that having natural pubes is 'unhygenic' and 'unpleasant'.
And I do think that fashion and porn have had an influence on many.
If the attitude towards 'natural' is pejorative and it seems to be quite common, then this is sort of 'self enforcing' - the young think they 'must' shave.
Choice is fine, but it's obviously not as simple as that.
ITA. A full 70s style forest is now a niche market but even a neat trim is viewed with horror by many these days. Your bits - shave, wax, trim, create a topiary cockeral if you like. I just dislike the implication that hair is unhygenic and that shaven is considered the norm amongst the younger generation creating pressure to conform. For teens who are still developing sexual confidence it's a shame that they feel they must be hair free. Nobody should have to endure shaving rash or infected ingrowing hairs for fear that they'll be sexually rejected. For those prone to ingrown hairs surely a neat trim is more attractive than a spotty puss-y pussy.
I would think that shaving, especially for a woman was less hygenic rather than more. The small cuts necessarily made are sites for infection, and shaving the labia would often cause more serious cuts.
Immac and the like must often produce irritation, and therefore again open skin that is vulnerable to infection.
Perhaps people think it just 'looks' cleaner. But then again, why should it 'look' dirty? Do you cut your hair off your head to be 'more hygenic'? No, you just wash it, and you can wash your pubes as well, it's far less of a problem than shaving.
If people like the 'look' of it - fine. But it isn't more hygenic, and 'attractive' is in the eye of the beholder.
I think it's a shame to lose the pheremone hit an' all. But I suppose that's considered 'smelly' or something, even when such areas are perfectly clean.
I don't know. I feel sorry for the many that have to go through this boring and tiresome and possibly irritating rigmarole all the time - what a bore, because of the latest 'perception' and fashion.
Although for those who actually do prefer it I suppose it's worth the misery.
ITA. A full 70s style forest is now a niche market but even a neat trim is viewed with horror by many these days. Your bits - shave, wax, trim, create a topiary cockeral if you like. I just dislike the implication that hair is unhygenic and that shaven is considered the norm amongst the younger generation creating pressure to conform. For teens who are still developing sexual confidence it's a shame that they feel they must be hair free. Nobody should have to endure shaving rash or infected ingrowing hairs for fear that they'll be sexually rejected. For those prone to ingrown hairs surely a neat trim is more attractive than a spotty puss-y pussy.
Immac and the like must often produce irritation, and therefore again open skin that is vulnerable to infection.
I think it's down to the individual and you literally have to 'know your own skin' as it were. I've used Nair on a few occasions on, ahem, certain regions, and with a slight 'finishing touch' trim here or there with the razor, all has been fine with no detrimental after-effects.
I would think that shaving, especially for a woman was less hygenic rather than more. The small cuts necessarily made are sites for infection, and shaving the labia would often cause more serious cuts.
Immac and the like must often produce irritation, and therefore again open skin that is vulnerable to infection.
Perhaps people think it just 'looks' cleaner. But then again, why should it 'look' dirty? Do you cut your hair off your head to be 'more hygenic'? No, you just wash it, and you can wash your pubes as well, it's far less of a problem than shaving.
If people like the 'look' of it - fine. But it isn't more hygenic, and 'attractive' is in the eye of the beholder.
I think it's a shame to lose the pheremone hit an' all. But I suppose that's considered 'smelly' or something, even when such areas are perfectly clean.
I don't know. I feel sorry for the many that have to go through this boring and tiresome and possibly irritating rigmarole all the time - what a bore, because of the latest 'perception' and fashion.
Although for those who actually do prefer it I suppose it's worth the misery.
Why are you letting it bother you that much? You've posted several times saying you don't get why people shave or wax. You prefer to trim and leave some hair, brilliant. Let everyone else get on with shaving/waxing, or whatever they do.
I think it's down to the individual and you literally have to 'know your own skin' as it were. I've used Nair on a few occasions on, ahem, certain regions, and with a slight 'finishing touch' trim here or there with the razor, all has been fine with no detrimental after-effects.
For many, and I would say 'most' even, women, hair depilatory cream would cause some level of irritation - you're very sensitive down there, more so than your face. I can't even use the damned stuff on my pits - bright red and angry is not a good look.
Why are you letting it bother you that much? You've posted several times saying you don't get why people shave or wax. You prefer to trim and leave some hair, brilliant. Let everyone else get on with shaving/waxing, or whatever they do.
I'm as bothered as I choose to be.
As many of those who shave are bothered too, mainly by the unhygenic nature and of course how unpleasant it is.
As many of those who shave are bothered too, mainly by the unhygenic nature and of course how unpleasant it is.
And I'll post exactly as I choose Sarah.
That's all well and fine, but you've stated your point. Why carry on chastising people for what they choose to do with their own bodies? I don't understand.
For many, and I would say 'most' even, women, hair depilatory cream would cause some level of irritation - you're very sensitive down there, more so than your face. I can't even use the damned stuff on my pits - bright red and angry is not a good look.
That's all well and fine, but you've stated your point. Why carry on chastising people for what they choose to do with their own bodies? I don't understand.
Don't be so sensitive:p
I'm stating the other side of the 'argument' - you don't have to take it personally. I'm not trying to make it 'personal'.
I'm stating the other side of the 'argument' - you don't have to take it personally. I'm not dishing it 'personally'.
I'm not sensitive, I think I might be a bit on edge today as people are having a go at me left right and center.
Nothing personal to you, of course.
I just think everyone's different, what's rosy for person A might be hell for person B, there's not a right or wrong answer. But I also don't see the point in debating it, because no one is ever going to agree lol.
I'm not sensitive, I think I might be a bit on edge today as people are having a go at me left right and center.
Nothing personal to you, of course.
I just think everyone's different, what's rosy for person A might be hell for person B, there's not a right or wrong answer. But I also don't see the point in debating it, because no one is ever going to agree lol.
Aww don't worry Sarah, and you're right that for many it's a personal choice, except that I honestly think there's a lot of pressure out there (for boys as well as girls, but girls particularly) to conform and the arguments about hygiene I just don't agree with.
And it is a pain in the ....parts for many I would think.
And mine is an unfashionable view I know, but I think it should be out there.
ITA. A full 70s style forest is now a niche market but even a neat trim is viewed with horror by many these days. Your bits - shave, wax, trim, create a topiary cockeral if you like. I just dislike the implication that hair is unhygenic and that shaven is considered the norm amongst the younger generation creating pressure to conform. For teens who are still developing sexual confidence it's a shame that they feel they must be hair free. Nobody should have to endure shaving rash or infected ingrowing hairs for fear that they'll be sexually rejected. For those prone to ingrown hairs surely a neat trim is more attractive than a spotty puss-y pussy.
I remember going swimming back in the 70s and early 80s and female underarm hair was still a common sight back then. Now, it's rare indeed. It's a shame that some women are made to feel uncomfortable in this way. Women are meant to have body hair, it's completely natural.
Aww don't worry Sarah, and you're right that for many it's a personal choice, except that I honestly think there's a lot of pressure out there (for boys as well as girls, but girls particularly) to conform and the arguments about hygiene I just don't agree with.
And it is a pain in the ....parts for many I would think.
And mine is an unfashionable view I know, but I think it should be out there.
I do agree with the BIB, it's worrying to think what age young girls are starting to wax and shave now. Quite mind boggling actually, they won't just stay as kids will they lol
I do agree with the BIB, it's worrying to think what age young girls are starting to wax and shave now. Quite mind boggling actually, they won't just stay as kids will they lol
I don't know. I feel sorry for the many that have to go through this boring and tiresome and possibly irritating rigmarole all the time - what a bore, because of the latest 'perception' and fashion.
Although for those who actually do prefer it I suppose it's worth the misery.
But because it doesn't appeal to you why do you make the assumption for those who chose to do it find it a "boring and tiresome and possibly irritating rigmarole all the time", and a "misery"?
I would have thought if people did find it how you describe they would stop, unless they were masochists. Certainly none of my friends who choose to shave have ever told me they find it a boring, tiresome, or a miserable, experience.
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Personally I like to be able to appreciate the muscular definition, ridges, contours, contrasting surfaces etc on a finely honed adult male body, so for the purposes of that kind of eroticisation, shaved/waxed is fine with me. Likewise, a modest coating of 'natural' hair isn't a problem. It's when you get into thick, black, densely curly territory that I really get turned off - like Steve Martin said in The Man With Two Brains, "I can't f**k a gorilla!!"
ITA. A full 70s style forest is now a niche market but even a neat trim is viewed with horror by many these days. Your bits - shave, wax, trim, create a topiary cockeral if you like.
Immac and the like must often produce irritation, and therefore again open skin that is vulnerable to infection.
Perhaps people think it just 'looks' cleaner. But then again, why should it 'look' dirty? Do you cut your hair off your head to be 'more hygenic'? No, you just wash it, and you can wash your pubes as well, it's far less of a problem than shaving.
If people like the 'look' of it - fine. But it isn't more hygenic, and 'attractive' is in the eye of the beholder.
I think it's a shame to lose the pheremone hit an' all. But I suppose that's considered 'smelly' or something, even when such areas are perfectly clean.
I don't know. I feel sorry for the many that have to go through this boring and tiresome and possibly irritating rigmarole all the time - what a bore, because of the latest 'perception' and fashion.
Although for those who actually do prefer it I suppose it's worth the misery.
Spot on Waspy:D
I think it's down to the individual and you literally have to 'know your own skin' as it were. I've used Nair on a few occasions on, ahem, certain regions, and with a slight 'finishing touch' trim here or there with the razor, all has been fine with no detrimental after-effects.
Why are you letting it bother you that much? You've posted several times saying you don't get why people shave or wax. You prefer to trim and leave some hair, brilliant. Let everyone else get on with shaving/waxing, or whatever they do.
For many, and I would say 'most' even, women, hair depilatory cream would cause some level of irritation - you're very sensitive down there, more so than your face. I can't even use the damned stuff on my pits - bright red and angry is not a good look.
I'm as bothered as I choose to be.
As many of those who shave are bothered too, mainly by the unhygenic nature and of course how unpleasant it is.
And I'll post exactly as I choose Sarah.
That's all well and fine, but you've stated your point. Why carry on chastising people for what they choose to do with their own bodies? I don't understand.
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Perhaps it's different for men then?..
Don't be so sensitive:p
I'm stating the other side of the 'argument' - you don't have to take it personally. I'm not trying to make it 'personal'.
I think it probably is.:D
Mind some women might have tough enough skin down there to cope.
I'm not sensitive, I think I might be a bit on edge today as people are having a go at me left right and center.
Nothing personal to you, of course.
I just think everyone's different, what's rosy for person A might be hell for person B, there's not a right or wrong answer. But I also don't see the point in debating it, because no one is ever going to agree lol.
Indeed. I somehow doubt that the human race would suddenly die out if women refused to shave.
Aww don't worry Sarah, and you're right that for many it's a personal choice, except that I honestly think there's a lot of pressure out there (for boys as well as girls, but girls particularly) to conform and the arguments about hygiene I just don't agree with.
And it is a pain in the ....parts for many I would think.
And mine is an unfashionable view I know, but I think it should be out there.
I remember going swimming back in the 70s and early 80s and female underarm hair was still a common sight back then. Now, it's rare indeed. It's a shame that some women are made to feel uncomfortable in this way. Women are meant to have body hair, it's completely natural.
I do agree with the BIB, it's worrying to think what age young girls are starting to wax and shave now. Quite mind boggling actually, they won't just stay as kids will they lol
Makes me a bit sad.:(
But because it doesn't appeal to you why do you make the assumption for those who chose to do it find it a "boring and tiresome and possibly irritating rigmarole all the time", and a "misery"?
I would have thought if people did find it how you describe they would stop, unless they were masochists. Certainly none of my friends who choose to shave have ever told me they find it a boring, tiresome, or a miserable, experience.