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Thousands sent letters by HMRC accusing them of being tax cheats

Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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You didn't think they were going after the rich cheats did you?
Thousands of people on low incomes are being sent letters by an American outsourcing company accusing them of cheating on their tax credits and warning them that they may have their benefits stopped.

Concentrix, part of a multi-billion pound US business services company, has been accused of going on a vast “fishing expedition” as part of a controversial contract with HM Revenue and Customs to outsource its fraud and error detection...

...Many said they believed the letters to be hoaxes as they asked for personal financial information such as bank and mortgage statements to be sent to the company within 30 days.

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    steveh31steveh31 Posts: 13,516
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »

    If you only knew the amount of money HMRC loses in incorrect tax credit claims and false claims.

    I used to laugh when I worked in tax credits investigation and people were given deals of paying back tax credits at a £1 a week in some cases when they owed thousands and some people it would take hundreds of years to pay it back.

    Tax Credits is and always will be a financial disaster and Gordon Brown should be made to account for the mess of it.

    Gordon Brown when he invented tax credits didn't take into account people changed jobs and partners he actually didn't believe some men and women change their partners like their pants and it is these people who get into a mess with tax credits because they have so many change in circumstances in a year their tax credits are never right.
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    If you want justice and fairness you will never get it from a private firm.

    I think it's hilarious, in a sick sort of way. The very people (low-paid workers) who cheered on the abuse of those wholly reliant on welfare, are now to be on the receiving end of the self-same ideology.

    And this is just the beginning...


    Hail our glorious fascist overlords, five more years!
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    steveh31steveh31 Posts: 13,516
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    The public never supported HMRC staff when they were being made redundant, slowly HMRC introduced private IT which has cost a fortune and is going to cost a lot more next year (google HMRC IT contract) and they now have introduced private baliffs.

    Last year they closed the enquiry centres and asked charities and CAB to take some of it and paid them.

    Gordon Brown sold HMRC estates to the tax dodgers Mapeley based in an offshore country with no tax - anyone care to mention that when talking about tax dodging

    If the public stopped seeing civil servants as a joke and realised what was happened there wouldn't be private companies now.
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    spiney2spiney2 Posts: 27,058
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    hmmm ..... well, "nudge theory" was highly fashionable about 6 months ago. So i take it that this doesn't work, despite all the money paid to managemenr consultants ......
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    I think the idea is to have a sort-of "welfare state", but one that is so horrible to use that only the desperate would ever use it.

    So it's a deliberate act to make the whole process akin to abuse, even sadism. Making people jump through hoops and engage in wholly pointless activities if they wish to continue receiving the money.

    Tax Credits are just another benefit.
    Of course the NHS is next.
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    steveh31steveh31 Posts: 13,516
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    Tassium wrote: »
    I think the idea is to have a sort-of "welfare state", but one that is so horrible to use that only the desperate would ever use it.

    So it's a deliberate act to make the whole process akin to abuse, even sadism. Making people jump through hoops and engage in wholly pointless activities if they wish to continue receiving the money.

    Tax Credits are just another benefit.
    Of course the NHS is next.

    I have seen tax credits right from the beginning when people were supergluing their hands to tax offices desks, to seeing people trying to defraud them by all claiming to live in the same address to seeing people in tears when told they have to pay it all back to people screaming about not being able to get them and people claiming them and taking the money off abroad.

    The whole system is and was a total mess and HMRC pays more trying to sort out the overpayments and fraud than it does giving out the money, in effect tax credits actually cost more for the taxpayer because of the amount of fraud.
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    Doctor_WibbleDoctor_Wibble Posts: 26,580
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    steveh31 wrote: »
    ... Tax Credits is and always will be a financial disaster ...
    I had wondered what TF the logic was meant to be, but it seems to be nothing more than budget laundering. How long does the government hold the money taken before it is given back, where does it sit, do they get any interest on it or is it needed as 'slush'? You end up with a load of impressive 'tax take' figures and if I recall, tax credits don't get added to the welfare/DWP cost (even if technically benefits), instead are listed as HMRC expenses, hurrah we have reduced welfare costs?
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    ErlangErlang Posts: 6,619
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    HMRC don't even manage PAYE well enough to keep up with changes in peoples circumstances they were never going to keep up with Tax Credit changes as well.

    When TC came in we were eligible, they cocked it up so badly, we stopped claiming from then on, despite still being eligible, we just shredded the letters and carried on as before it was introduced. (we repayed their cock-up over the next two years). Just glad when the quadruple letters finally stopped.
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    GibsonSGGibsonSG Posts: 23,681
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    Tassium wrote: »
    If you want justice and fairness you will never get it from a private firm.

    I think it's hilarious, in a sick sort of way. The very people (low-paid workers) who cheered on the abuse of those wholly reliant on welfare, are now to be on the receiving end of the self-same ideology.

    And this is just the beginning...


    Hail our glorious fascist overlords, five more years!

    Indeed, and thank you to steveh31 for making me laugh like a drain. Of course there may be a few people in the position described I don't deny that, but to make such sweeping statements is absurd.
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    GibsonSGGibsonSG Posts: 23,681
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    Tassium wrote: »
    I think the idea is to have a sort-of "welfare state", but one that is so horrible to use that only the desperate would ever use it.

    So it's a deliberate act to make the whole process akin to abuse, even sadism. Making people jump through hoops and engage in wholly pointless activities if they wish to continue receiving the money.

    Tax Credits are just another benefit.
    Of course the NHS is next.

    Bring back the workhouses! Give the Tories another five years and that is where we will be. As soon as the full horrors are realised they will attempt to blame someone else, anyone else except themselves. Of course they are the most socially responsible political party around - you do realise that?
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    Doctor_WibbleDoctor_Wibble Posts: 26,580
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    GibsonSG wrote: »
    Bring back the workhouses! Give the Tories another five years and that is where we will be.
    So... everyone will be employed and have a roof over their heads whilst gaining valuable experience of the obligations and responsibilities of living within a close community?
    Hurrah we are saved :p
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    steveh31steveh31 Posts: 13,516
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    GibsonSG wrote: »
    Indeed, and thank you to steveh31 for making me laugh like a drain. Of course there may be a few people in the position described I don't deny that, but to make such sweeping statements is absurd.

    :confused:
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    bspacebspace Posts: 14,303
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    So... everyone will be employed and have a roof over their heads whilst gaining valuable experience of the obligations and responsibilities of living within a close community?
    Hurrah we are saved :p

    Although we might have a bit of a problem sourcing all the oakum.
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    Doctor_WibbleDoctor_Wibble Posts: 26,580
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    bspace wrote: »
    Although we might have a bit of a problem sourcing all the oakum.
    Apologies, a slight whooshing noise there as I went to look up wtf 'oakum' was...
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    Socialists would perhaps hope for a Conservative victory in May.

    By 2020 the country would be crying out for a socialist government. Nationalising the utilities and everything else, maybe without reimbursement to the owners.

    It's the usual way of things.
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    Erlang wrote: »
    HMRC don't even manage PAYE well enough to keep up with changes in peoples circumstances they were never going to keep up with Tax Credit changes as well.

    When TC came in we were eligible, they cocked it up so badly, we stopped claiming from then on, despite still being eligible, we just shredded the letters and carried on as before it was introduced. (we repayed their cock-up over the next two years). Just glad when the quadruple letters finally stopped.

    The problems started when Brown merged Inland Revenue and HM Customs.
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