you do know the man say no to come over to her bed for a cuddle? Firstly she goes over to Daley asking if he wants a cuddle, ye says 'yeah' and they cuddle in his bed; she didn't like it as the roof slopes down over his bed and wanted to move to her bed when he refused she started on all the pillowno, she laid down to sleep in her bed and he threw a pillow at her and taking away his cover. yes she took away his cover, and kept it for way too long in the meanwhile bb is watching their every move .but did not stop it. hazel did choke him first and took a pilliow over his face these are two separate incidents. She sat on top of him, he was laughing, she held the pillow on his face, he's laughing the whole time; she choked him... she was beneath him, she is reaching up, he's heavier, she's in a position of least strengthy . bb did not stop it . what part of a man refusing to cuddle with a female ,makes a person think he was rude.?him getting an erection with her from before refuse to cuddle her . he was trying to to do the right thing in his drunk state. but the female kept on hammering him again and again.I want a cuddle. come here give me a cuddle. the guy refuse. and all hell broke lose cause the female felt offended the man will not cuddle her. this is really not why things escalated. They had a conversation about the Irish flag after the cuddle stuff, when he got aggressive she tried to deflate things first, and then bravado it out by not showing intimidation.
to the bit in bold. no she should have left the room or bb should have called her in the DR or call the guy in the DR. but even when it was told to her by him. the woman kept on and on and on nagging him for a cuddle. what sane woman will want a cuddle from an angry man? as a mother I recall very clearly trying to cuddle and humour my tantruming child to defuse the situation and make them calm down, laugh, anything to distract her from her tantrum
I'm fascinated by how many threads there are about Hazel being disliked because she's attractive and strong.
Personally I think that way of thinking is deeply flawed and untrue.
Yet what I'm most interested in is why people think that Attractive strong people should do well. What should attraction have to do with popularity?
It seems just as silly to say why Ginger left-handers haven't won lots. Also hate-figures have been pretty diverse, looks-wise from Adele-Tim-Carol-Maxwell-Makosi etc.
Is it because people are so used to attractive people winning out in life, that they can't compute it not happening in BB.
Big Brother IS a popularity contest, the winners in all the series have actually been an incredibly diverse strata, and I would say there have been some attractive strong winners, yet there have been many other types. Well that's almost literally life, TBH.
I'm fascinated by how many threads there are about Hazel being disliked because she's attractive and strong.
Personally I think that way of thinking is deeply flawed and untrue.
Yet what I'm most interested in is why people think that Attractive strong people should do well. What should attraction have to do with popularity?
It seems just as silly to say why Ginger left-handers haven't won lots. Also hate-figures have been pretty diverse, looks-wise from Adele-Tim-Carol-Maxwell-Makosi etc.
Is it because people are so used to attractive people winning out in life, that they can't compute it not happening in BB.
Big Brother IS a popularity contest, the winners in all the series have actually been an incredibly diverse strata, and I would say there have been some attractive strong winners, yet there have been many other types. Well that's almost literally life, TBH.
I too am fascinated by the differing opinions about Hazel. Im wondering why?
there is of course a bit of bias being thrown at Hazel by BB with the way they have portrayed her. But I think there are loads of other issues coming into play here..
things like this ''girl code'' that its wrong to be too overt when flirting with a guy who is taken.
And I still think Hazel was being extremely fake and manipulating the situation with Daley for showmance purposes....but its really hard to know this for certain based on such limited evidence...
and to add a counterpoint to this, I think Gina is also attractive and strong, and she is liked for it?
I think a lot of the hm this year, have very fake backgrounds.....Im really not liking Dexter and this silly love triangle, which is absurd as it just isn't happening....
I don't like Dexter and Gina's backstories, but within the house, Gina has been fairly consistent, and stayed true to her personality. She like bright expensive glittery things, and is outspoken and says what she thinks. But she is willing to throw herself into tasks and generally to try to get along with everyone. and she hasn't done anything that has really upset anyone either in the house, or for the viewers to see.
I too am fascinated by the differing opinions about Hazel. Im wondering why?
there is of course a bit of bias being thrown at Hazel by BB with the way they have portrayed her. But I think there are loads of other issues coming into play here..
things like this ''girl code'' that its wrong to be too overt when flirting with a guy who is taken.
And I still think Hazel was being extremely fake and manipulating the situation with Daley for showmance purposes....but its really hard to know this for certain based on such limited evidence...
Well, I was trying to avoid Hazel herself, but the fact is as you say there are reasons you may dislike her.
Making anyone a hate-figure on BB is of course ridiculous, but it happens every series, and then they get the people strongly going in the other way defending them.
It seems to be mainly Gina V hazel on here ATM, but these duos are always fascinatingly awful and generate the most hate. It's like really insane Football fans.
KatevAlex, AisvNikki, VictorvNadia, MakosivMaxwell. Often it's leaders of groups, it gets very over-wrought. Yet I think it's what some love from BB, personally I could do without
They're humans, some I like lot more than others, some I do dislike, but not everyone is a devil or saint, because they're human beings, not scripted characters.
I'm fascinated by how many threads there are about Hazel being disliked because she's attractive and strong.
Personally I think that way of thinking is deeply flawed and untrue.
Yet what I'm most interested in is why people think that Attractive strong people should do well. What should attraction have to do with popularity?
It seems just as silly to say why Ginger left-handers haven't won lots. Also hate-figures have been pretty diverse, looks-wise from Adele-Tim-Carol-Maxwell-Makosi etc.
Is it because people are so used to attractive people winning out in life, that they can't compute it not happening in BB.
Big Brother IS a popularity contest, the winners in all the series have actually been an incredibly diverse strata, and I would say there have been some attractive strong winners, yet there have been many other types. Well that's almost literally life, TBH.
I have not seen these threads so not commenting on them directly. Although I do not think Hazel did herself any favours by flirting with Daley when there was still some question about his on/off relationship with his gf - I am on the other hand surprised at how much hate she is getting directed at her. I tend to think that maybe her "attractiveness" could be playing a part. I have seen in the past BB's many female hm's flirt with male hm's some with gf some without - some crossed the line for me with their flirty sexual advances, were the other half clearly was trying to avoid those advances. However they never seemed to get this hatred directed at them that Hazel gets. So what is the difference???? Infact one female hm who was very flirty with another male hm got high fived and worshipped - so exactly what is the difference - just the gf??? or is there something deeper.
I have not seen these threads so not commenting on them directly. Although I do not think Hazel did herself any favours by flirting with Daley when there was still some question about his on/off relationship with his gf - I am on the other hand surprised at how much hate she is getting directed at her. I tend to think that maybe her "attractiveness" could be playing a part. I have seen in the past BB's many female hm's flirt with male hm's some with gf some without - some crossed the line for me with their flirty sexual advances, were the other half clearly was trying to avoid those advances. However they never seemed to get this hatred directed at them that Hazel gets. So what is the difference???? Infact one female hm who was very flirty with another male hm got high fived and worshipped - so exactly what is the difference - just the gf??? or is there something deeper.
There was some anti-Hazel feeling pre the SH incident, but I do think that bringing Daley's girlfriend/ex-girlfriend (who knows ) onto BOTS changed everything, it made many a person sympathetic towards Katie and increased any animosity people may already have felt towards Hazel for her flirting, notching it up to a fever pitch of bile and nastiness that has, in some cases, gone completely over the top.
There was some anti-Hazel feeling pre the SH incident, but I do think that bringing Daley's girlfriend/ex-girlfriend (who knows ) onto BOTS changed everything, it made many a person sympathetic towards Katie and increased any animosity people may already have felt towards Hazel for her flirting, notching it up to a fever pitch of bile and nastiness that has, in some cases, gone completely over the top.
Right I did watch that myself and did feel extremely sorry for her myself. Hazel made an error of judgement and I suspect she could even have interviews on the outside along side Daley if she gets the right coverage for it - she admits its how she makes her living. I just would have hoped that more people could see what she did and what Daley did as two very different situations.
Right I did watch that myself and did feel extremely sorry for her myself. Hazel made an error of judgement and I suspect she could even have interviews on the outside along side Daley if she gets the right coverage for it - she admits its how she makes her living. I just would have hoped that more people could see what she did and what Daley did as two very different situations.
I agree.
Unfortunately there are so many Daley headlines at the moment, all in the Star of course lol... including one that he wants to go into the house and tell Hazel how much he loves her and another that he was abused as a child, is seeking therapy, etc., meanwhile people are reading this dross and it adds more fuel to the Hazel hatred. There's Hazel, having had that tennis ball saying Daley's crucifying her in the press, not knowing what on earth has been said about her and having no control whatsoever over the situation.
I do wonder, especially wondered last night during this stupid argument, whether Hazel would leave the house by the back door. If I were her I'd be wondering what I had to gain by staying, apart from an eviction night where the crowd are going to crucify her and biased Emma is going to interrogate her (I feel). If I were her I'd want to be out there seeing what's going on and perhaps managing some damage limitation.
I'm not saying I want her to leave, but I do wonder whether she wants to.
Right I did watch that myself and did feel extremely sorry for her myself. Hazel made an error of judgement and I suspect she could even have interviews on the outside along side Daley if she gets the right coverage for it - she admits its how she makes her living. I just would have hoped that more people could see what she did and what Daley did as two very different situations.
As I said before some BB fans often do just see them as characters in a TV show, and they just decide early that one of the cast is horrible, so decide to have no sympathy.
You still get people excusing the bullying of Shilpa or Deana as being their fault. It shouldn't matter if they're horrid, you don't counter that with bullying or abusive behaviour, it really is that simple.
For What it's worth, I think Hazel will be the biggest star of the c5 era from all this. Once she starts getting the interviews going, and then the lad-mags, and no doubt relationship talks after.
As I said before some BB fans often do just see them as characters in a TV show, and they just decide early that one of the cast is horrible, so decide to have no sympathy.
You still get people excusing the bullying of Shilpa or Deana as being their fault. It shouldn't matter if they're horrid, you don't counter that with bullying or abusive behaviour, it really is that simple.
For What it's worth, I think Hazel will be the biggest star of the c5 era from all this. Once she starts getting the interviews going, and then the lad-mags, and no doubt relationship talks after.
Unfortunately there are so many Daley headlines at the moment, all in the Star of course lol... including one that he wants to go into the house and tell Hazel how much he loves her and another that he was abused as a child, is seeking therapy, etc., meanwhile people are reading this dross and it adds more fuel to the Hazel hatred. There's Hazel, having had that tennis ball saying Daley's crucifying her in the press, not knowing what on earth has been said about her and having no control whatsoever over the situation.
I do wonder, especially wondered last night during this stupid argument, whether Hazel would leave the house by the back door. If I were her I'd be wondering what I had to gain by staying, apart from an eviction night where the crowd are going to crucify her and biased Emma is going to interrogate her (I feel). If I were her I'd want to be out there seeing what's going on and perhaps managing some damage limitation.
I'm not saying I want her to leave, but I do wonder whether she wants to.
I was saying on another thread that I hoped she would walk but I've a feeling she is a strong willed girl who knows her own mind and is not a quitter. I do fear for her though because her eviction is going to make for some uncomfortable viewing.
Emma I'm afraid I've lost all respect for following her "it takes two to tango" comment. And BBOTS has become a Hazel bashing forum so I refuse to watch that pile of shite anymore.
I was saying on another thread that I hoped she would walk but I've a feeling she is a strong willed girl who knows her own mind and is not a quitter. I do fear for her though because her eviction is going to make for some uncomfortable viewing.
Emma I'm afraid I've lost all respect for following her "it takes two to tango" comment. And BBOTS has become a Hazel bashing forum so I refuse to watch that pile of shite anymore.
i'm afraid me too Pots and I really liked Emma but the two/tango sentence was a step too far for me. What are they telling young boys/girls is acceptable - scary.
I have not seen these threads so not commenting on them directly. Although I do not think Hazel did herself any favours by flirting with Daley when there was still some question about his on/off relationship with his gf - I am on the other hand surprised at how much hate she is getting directed at her. I tend to think that maybe her "attractiveness" could be playing a part. I have seen in the past BB's many female hm's flirt with male hm's some with gf some without - some crossed the line for me with their flirty sexual advances, were the other half clearly was trying to avoid those advances. However they never seemed to get this hatred directed at them that Hazel gets. So what is the difference???? Infact one female hm who was very flirty with another male hm got high fived and worshipped - so exactly what is the difference - just the gf??? or is there something deeper.
Every time I feel like supporting Hazel I see all the vitriol and hatred spewed forth from her worshippers and then I remember that she's just a classic mean girl who talks nothing but smack behind her targets back and smiles in their face. If it wasn't for the hatred I see about Gina from her biggest supporters I would be able to feel more sympathy for the girl. As it is I have lost total respect for those people.
Anyone who thinks that pornographic activity between Daley and Hazel was flirting should make sure they have the number for sex crimes on them next time they plan to do same. They, like Hazel, will most likely be in for a nasty surprise if they consider that flirting. :mad:
i'm afraid me too Pots and I really liked Emma but the two/tango sentence was a step too far for me. What are they telling young boys/girls is acceptable - scary.
So Hazel did nothing at all really? She didn't give him any reason to think she was into him or wanted that kind of attention from him? Really? He just went there without any encouragement at all. Her aggressiveness with him has no bearing on any of it? Really? SHOCKING!
So Hazel did nothing at all really? She didn't give him any reason to think she was into him or wanted that kind of attention from him? Really? He just went there without any encouragement at all. Her aggressiveness with him has no bearing on any of it? Really? SHOCKING!
No none at all - no behaviour should result in a man's hands around your neck at the same time saying he will NUT you unless you do as you are told.
Did she flirt with him - Yes
Did she suggest she was into him - Yes
Did any of her behaviour ALLOW him to be physically and mentally aggressive - HELL NO!
No none at all - no behaviour should result in a man's hands around your neck at the same time saying he will NUT you unless you do as you are told.
Did she flirt with him - Yes
Did she suggest she was into him - Yes
Did any of her behaviour ALLOW him to be physically and mentally aggressive - HELL NO!
And the fact that she did that to him earlier, means nothing? She mounted him, slapped him around the face with a pillow. That was all just fine was it? She slapped his ass first, she also depants him. She also encouraged him to continue and to go there when he was quite clear about how bad he got when he went there.
Please don't tell me that your response to do you want to see me get mad it's scary when I get mad would be "go for it". :mad:
She didn't suggest she offered herself to him at least twice that I saw. He is not responsible for her lack of self respect. He's only responsible for his own lack of self respect.
And the fact that she did that to him earlier, means nothing? She mounted him, slapped him around the face with a pillow. That was all just fine was it? She slapped his ass first, she also depants him. She also encouraged him to continue and to go there when he was quite clear about how bad he got when he went there.
Please don't tell me that your response to do you want to see me get mad it's scary when I get mad would be "go for it". :mad:
She didn't suggest she offered herself to him at least twice that I saw. He is not responsible for her lack of self respect. He's only responsible for his own lack of self respect.
I saw hazel flirt but did not see her being aggressive. I would not have questioned Daley's behaviour if he had been play fighting with a pillow - its was the action of placing his hands round her neck and talking about nutting her i am referring to. Should she have pulled his pants down - NO not at all and in my book I would have found that also unacceptable behaviour.
I saw hazel flirt but did not see her being aggressive. I would not have questioned Daley's behaviour if he had been play fighting with a pillow - its was the action of placing his hands round her neck and talking about nutting her i am referring to. Should she have pulled his pants down - NO not at all and in my book I would have found that also unacceptable behaviour.
And I'm saying he wouldn't have gone there without encouragement. FYI she did put her hands around his neck earlier in the night. That was not so much flirting more like foreplay. There is a difference.
And I'm saying he wouldn't have gone there without encouragement. FYI she did put her hands around his neck earlier in the night. That was not flirting that was foreplay. There is a difference.
I think were we differ is I do not accept there ever is any provocation for physical aggression.
You are suggesting his behaviour was a form of foreplay - was Hazel aware of that though - she seemed visibly shaken when she sat on the chair next to the bed.
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There are and you are one of them.
Personally I think that way of thinking is deeply flawed and untrue.
Yet what I'm most interested in is why people think that Attractive strong people should do well. What should attraction have to do with popularity?
It seems just as silly to say why Ginger left-handers haven't won lots. Also hate-figures have been pretty diverse, looks-wise from Adele-Tim-Carol-Maxwell-Makosi etc.
Is it because people are so used to attractive people winning out in life, that they can't compute it not happening in BB.
Big Brother IS a popularity contest, the winners in all the series have actually been an incredibly diverse strata, and I would say there have been some attractive strong winners, yet there have been many other types. Well that's almost literally life, TBH.
I too am fascinated by the differing opinions about Hazel. Im wondering why?
there is of course a bit of bias being thrown at Hazel by BB with the way they have portrayed her. But I think there are loads of other issues coming into play here..
things like this ''girl code'' that its wrong to be too overt when flirting with a guy who is taken.
And I still think Hazel was being extremely fake and manipulating the situation with Daley for showmance purposes....but its really hard to know this for certain based on such limited evidence...
I think a lot of the hm this year, have very fake backgrounds.....Im really not liking Dexter and this silly love triangle, which is absurd as it just isn't happening....
I don't like Dexter and Gina's backstories, but within the house, Gina has been fairly consistent, and stayed true to her personality. She like bright expensive glittery things, and is outspoken and says what she thinks. But she is willing to throw herself into tasks and generally to try to get along with everyone. and she hasn't done anything that has really upset anyone either in the house, or for the viewers to see.
Well, I was trying to avoid Hazel herself, but the fact is as you say there are reasons you may dislike her.
Making anyone a hate-figure on BB is of course ridiculous, but it happens every series, and then they get the people strongly going in the other way defending them.
It seems to be mainly Gina V hazel on here ATM, but these duos are always fascinatingly awful and generate the most hate. It's like really insane Football fans.
KatevAlex, AisvNikki, VictorvNadia, MakosivMaxwell. Often it's leaders of groups, it gets very over-wrought. Yet I think it's what some love from BB, personally I could do without
They're humans, some I like lot more than others, some I do dislike, but not everyone is a devil or saint, because they're human beings, not scripted characters.
I have not seen these threads so not commenting on them directly. Although I do not think Hazel did herself any favours by flirting with Daley when there was still some question about his on/off relationship with his gf - I am on the other hand surprised at how much hate she is getting directed at her. I tend to think that maybe her "attractiveness" could be playing a part. I have seen in the past BB's many female hm's flirt with male hm's some with gf some without - some crossed the line for me with their flirty sexual advances, were the other half clearly was trying to avoid those advances. However they never seemed to get this hatred directed at them that Hazel gets. So what is the difference???? Infact one female hm who was very flirty with another male hm got high fived and worshipped - so exactly what is the difference - just the gf??? or is there something deeper.
Unfortunately there are so many Daley headlines at the moment, all in the Star of course lol... including one that he wants to go into the house and tell Hazel how much he loves her
I do wonder, especially wondered last night during this stupid argument, whether Hazel would leave the house by the back door. If I were her I'd be wondering what I had to gain by staying, apart from an eviction night where the crowd are going to crucify her and biased Emma is going to interrogate her (I feel). If I were her I'd want to be out there seeing what's going on and perhaps managing some damage limitation.
I'm not saying I want her to leave, but I do wonder whether she wants to.
As I said before some BB fans often do just see them as characters in a TV show, and they just decide early that one of the cast is horrible, so decide to have no sympathy.
You still get people excusing the bullying of Shilpa or Deana as being their fault. It shouldn't matter if they're horrid, you don't counter that with bullying or abusive behaviour, it really is that simple.
For What it's worth, I think Hazel will be the biggest star of the c5 era from all this. Once she starts getting the interviews going, and then the lad-mags, and no doubt relationship talks after.
Indeed, it certainly needs freshening up. I'm getting bored of that person. Yet they all fade away so quickly now.
I was saying on another thread that I hoped she would walk but I've a feeling she is a strong willed girl who knows her own mind and is not a quitter. I do fear for her though because her eviction is going to make for some uncomfortable viewing.
Emma I'm afraid I've lost all respect for following her "it takes two to tango" comment. And BBOTS has become a Hazel bashing forum so I refuse to watch that pile of shite anymore.
i'm afraid me too Pots and I really liked Emma but the two/tango sentence was a step too far for me. What are they telling young boys/girls is acceptable - scary.
Anyone who thinks that pornographic activity between Daley and Hazel was flirting should make sure they have the number for sex crimes on them next time they plan to do same. They, like Hazel, will most likely be in for a nasty surprise if they consider that flirting. :mad:
No none at all - no behaviour should result in a man's hands around your neck at the same time saying he will NUT you unless you do as you are told.
Did she flirt with him - Yes
Did she suggest she was into him - Yes
Did any of her behaviour ALLOW him to be physically and mentally aggressive - HELL NO!
Please don't tell me that your response to do you want to see me get mad it's scary when I get mad would be "go for it". :mad:
She didn't suggest she offered herself to him at least twice that I saw. He is not responsible for her lack of self respect. He's only responsible for his own lack of self respect.
I think were we differ is I do not accept there ever is any provocation for physical aggression.
You are suggesting his behaviour was a form of foreplay - was Hazel aware of that though - she seemed visibly shaken when she sat on the chair next to the bed.