Well if they knock on this Labour voters door they will get a slightly more polite response than the one I reserve for the BNP, they will be invited to PO, unlike the BNP (or Tories) who get invited to FO,
Eh? expressing my personal opinion makes me intolerant now?
The Tories, the BNP, and UKIP are perfectly entitled to hold and to express opinions and views that I would never share, and unlike most of them, I support their right not agree with me,
But, should they knock on my door and attempt to preach their poison to me, I reserve the right to tell them to "do one"
Think maybe the realistic target is 5 % short term and 10 % long term UKIP could take from Labour. Being from the north I know many people vote out of traditional loyalty and Labour didnt do a lot for the north of England to say they were in power for 13 yrs. Analysing it, the things Labour did for Scotland and Wales were greater and even London got a regional assembly.
The north got .... no devolution at all... Also under Labour, London got the Olympics plus the new Wembley stadium & the millenium dome was built in London. I cant think of anything Labour did for the north like these examples to say its their heartlands.
Eh? expressing my personal opinion makes me intolerant now?
The Tories, the BNP, and UKIP are perfectly entitled to hold and to express opinions and views that I would never share, and unlike most of them, I support their right not agree with me,
But, should they knock on my door and attempt to preach their poison to me, I reserve the right to tell them to "do one"
and should they knock on your door and preach common sense to you?
there's like £500bn worth of purchases there. plus some increased spending.
how are they going to fund that?
Well I have some suggestions:
1: Crack down on all tax evasion and avoidance properly
2: Stop all overseas aid
3: Revalue Council Taxes
4: Raise Income Taxes for higher earners
Those are some of the solutions, problem is that UKIP would only accept No.2, the rest they will strongly refuse and that is the problem for UKIP, they cannot take too many Labour voters without damaging their support amoug Tories...
They should focus on being a "Unite the Right" sort of party based on the values of Thatcher if they want to become anything like a major poltical party, but that will mean giving up Scotland/Northern England/Wales...
Well who loses most from cheap labour/immigration - the working class. The well off get cheap plumbers - they get lower wages, more competition for social housing, overcrowded schools (cos migrants move generally to poorer areas), more benefits cuts as there are more benefit claimants or even for migrants in work a huge tax credit bill etc etc. There are some primary schools in areas of London with over 1,000 pupils - due almost entirely to high migrant birth rates.
Its quite natural that many Labour voters should want out of the EU - so that British workers can be prioritised for jobs that become available and wages can be held up without state intervention via minimum wage rises!
Cos no one has done more to destroy the working class in this country in the last 15 years than the Labour party who were happy to leave their core supporters to rot on the dole while encouraging mass migration from elsewhere to take the jobs those Brits should have been doing!
And there was me thinking that divide and conquer policies of the right create most of that destruction time and time again.
Well who loses most from cheap labour/immigration - the working class. The well off get cheap plumbers - they get lower wages, more competition for social housing, overcrowded schools (cos migrants move generally to poorer areas), more benefits cuts as there are more benefit claimants or even for migrants in work a huge tax credit bill etc etc. There are some primary schools in areas of London with over 1,000 pupils - due almost entirely to high migrant birth rates.
Its quite natural that many Labour voters should want out of the EU - so that British workers can be prioritised for jobs that become available and wages can be held up without state intervention via minimum wage rises!
Cos no one has done more to destroy the working class in this country in the last 15 years than the Labour party who were happy to leave their core supporters to rot on the dole while encouraging mass migration from elsewhere to take the jobs those Brits should have been doing!
No, it really wasn't. Because it's not exactly true.
In the height of the Blair government, unemployment was at its lowest since the last Labour government in the late 70s.
The highest unemployment figures of the last 40 years came under Tory governments...
My take on it is the Tories aim is to make the rich richer and everyone else poorer, and Labour professes to help the poor and tax the rich more...though it certainly all went awry under Blair & Brown & New Labour. As per usual, the middle class continually get pulled in both directions....
As long as UKIP take enough voters away from the Tories, then that will do for me :-)
Though it'll be the LibDems who suffer the most.
The only way they can regain some of their lost support is to pull out of the coalition within the next 2 months and force a General Election in May 2014.
If they hold up the coalition, making us suffer another 15 months of the Tories, then they're going to lose even more support (if that's even possible).
Yup, the Tories & LibDems need to worry more about UKIP than Labour.
Besides, if Labour wins the next election by a minority, they'll never form a coalition with either Tory or UKIP. They'd rather form one with LibDem, Green, & Independents, if it means it keeps the Tories out.
The worst thing possible though would be a Tory & UKIP coalition.
It doesn't even bear thinking about.... *shudder*
No, it really wasn't. Because it's not exactly true.
In the height of the Blair government, unemployment was at its lowest since the last Labour government in the late 70s.
The highest unemployment figures of the last 40 years came under Tory governments...
Totally agree, but the Tory governments took over an economy bankrupted by a Labour administration. In the case of 1979 the IMF was in charge and the family silver was sold off to balance the books.
Totally agree, but the Tory governments took over an economy bankrupted by a Labour administration. In the case of 1979 the IMF was in charge and the family silver was sold off to balance the books.
Though aren't those just the standard Tory excuses used to bring in their policies... privatisation, cuts, etc?
"We're a rich country. Money is no object".
Think maybe the realistic target is 5 % short term and 10 % long term UKIP could take from Labour. Being from the north I know many people vote out of traditional loyalty and Labour didnt do a lot for the north of England to say they were in power for 13 yrs. Analysing it, the things Labour did for Scotland and Wales were greater and even London got a regional assembly.
The north got .... no devolution at all... Also under Labour, London got the Olympics plus the new Wembley stadium & the millenium dome was built in London. I cant think of anything Labour did for the north like these examples to say its their heartlands.
The North of England got no devolution at all because we voted against it. We recognised that Prescott's Regional Assemblies would be just an expensive talking shop for time-serving politicians, with no benefits at all for the local tax payer.
Though aren't those just the standard Tory excuses used to bring in their policies... privatisation, cuts, etc?
"We're a rich country. Money is no object".
When Thatcher took over we were one of the poorest countries in the EEC.
When she left, we were one of the richest.
It happens time and again, Labour get in and wreck the country and the Tories have to start from scratch again to build it back up.
Stop wrecking things, just leave the country or something.
The North of England got no devolution at all because we voted against it. We recognised that Prescott's Regional Assemblies would be just an expensive talking shop for time-serving politicians, with no benefits at all for the local tax payer.
Exactly right. The north got offered a talking shop amounting to an expensive waste of time , whilst Scotland got real devolution and Wales a lesser but assembly with powers all the same.
A terrible way to treat your northern heartland most people would say.
This is why Labour doesnt deserve any loyalty from northern voters and UKIP can make gains
Hmmm, getting rid of any employment protection, abolishing maternity pay, banning strikes in certain sectors, reducing jobs in the public sector by 50% that's REALLY going to get the blue collar workers voting for them, isn't it ?
People who have no idea what they are talking about keep repeating this Daily Mail myth that Labour bankrupted the country, and not the bankers casino banking system - that the Conservatives wanted to deregulate
even more.
No, the UKIP are not at all racist (ooh look, a flying pig), they're not about to send anyone back to "Bongo Bongo land", nor claim immigration is the root of all evil.
PS Giving us links to the Times is pretty useless, most of us are not stupid to pony up any money to Murdoch's pathetic useless paywall.
No, it really wasn't. Because it's not exactly true.
In the height of the Blair government, unemployment was at its lowest since the last Labour government in the late 70s.
The highest unemployment figures of the last 40 years came under Tory governments...
My take on it is the Tories aim is to make the rich richer and everyone else poorer, and Labour professes to help the poor and tax the rich more...though it certainly all went awry under Blair & Brown & New Labour. As per usual, the middle class continually get pulled in both directions....
As long as UKIP take enough voters away from the Tories, then that will do for me :-)
Though it'll be the LibDems who suffer the most.
The only way they can regain some of their lost support is to pull out of the coalition within the next 2 months and force a General Election in May 2014.
If they hold up the coalition, making us suffer another 15 months of the Tories, then they're going to lose even more support (if that's even possible).
Yup, the Tories & LibDems need to worry more about UKIP than Labour.
Besides, if Labour wins the next election by a minority, they'll never form a coalition with either Tory or UKIP. They'd rather form one with LibDem, Green, & Independents, if it means it keeps the Tories out.
The worst thing possible though would be a Tory & UKIP coalition.
It doesn't even bear thinking about.... *shudder*
I agree and don't understand how people on here can continually blame the Labour party for mass immigration from Europe, its not as if the Tories have done anything about it either.
Labour do need to reconnect with the working class of this country, they need more people in the party who come from ordinary backgrounds.
No, it really wasn't. Because it's not exactly true.
In the height of the Blair government, unemployment was at its lowest since the last Labour government in the late 70s.
Public sector job increases doesn't really lower the unemployment level.
Public sector job increases doesn't really lower the unemployment level.
Neither does forcing the sick/unemployed to work for £20 more than they'd get on benefits, or forcing them into government training/work experience schemes, or into zero-hour contracts, etc, just to fiddle the unemployment figues...
At least public sector jobs are real jobs (though it sounds as though you disagree?)
Hey, I'm not saying either side are right, but the (authentically employable) unemployed need proper jobs, paying proper decent wages.
The Tories will NEVER deliver that goal.
They'll just try their damndest to get them off benefits so they're spending money on making the rich richer, like everyone else.
Thats what the IMF was there for, to bail out insolvent countries.
Labour is just another name for debt.
Hmmm, those 2 massive recessions under the Conservatives and the risible 'green shoots of recovery" that never actually happened until Labour took power in 1997 - I just completely imagined those, did I ?
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typical labour voter. so tolerant.:D
He has a smile like a great white shark, and all the charm and charisma of a dodgy second hand car salesman,
In MY opinion of course,
Eh? expressing my personal opinion makes me intolerant now?
The Tories, the BNP, and UKIP are perfectly entitled to hold and to express opinions and views that I would never share, and unlike most of them, I support their right not agree with me,
But, should they knock on my door and attempt to preach their poison to me, I reserve the right to tell them to "do one"
The north got ....
and should they knock on your door and preach common sense to you?
Well I have some suggestions:
1: Crack down on all tax evasion and avoidance properly
2: Stop all overseas aid
3: Revalue Council Taxes
4: Raise Income Taxes for higher earners
Those are some of the solutions, problem is that UKIP would only accept No.2, the rest they will strongly refuse and that is the problem for UKIP, they cannot take too many Labour voters without damaging their support amoug Tories...
They should focus on being a "Unite the Right" sort of party based on the values of Thatcher if they want to become anything like a major poltical party, but that will mean giving up Scotland/Northern England/Wales...
What? Are UKIP undergoing a fundamental change in policies then?
Just the odd one or two.
Its always 'them' to blame.
:rolleyes:
This is a great point.
At a guess, mainly just to keep the Tories out.
No, it really wasn't. Because it's not exactly true.
In the height of the Blair government, unemployment was at its lowest since the last Labour government in the late 70s.
The highest unemployment figures of the last 40 years came under Tory governments...
Callaghan 1979 = 1.1m
Thatcher 1982 = 3.1m
Major 1994 = 2.6m
Blair 1999 = 1.7m
Blair 2005 = 1.4m
Brown 2010 = 2.5m
Cameron 2012 = 2.7m
My take on it is the Tories aim is to make the rich richer and everyone else poorer, and Labour professes to help the poor and tax the rich more...though it certainly all went awry under Blair & Brown & New Labour. As per usual, the middle class continually get pulled in both directions....
As long as UKIP take enough voters away from the Tories, then that will do for me :-)
Though it'll be the LibDems who suffer the most.
The only way they can regain some of their lost support is to pull out of the coalition within the next 2 months and force a General Election in May 2014.
If they hold up the coalition, making us suffer another 15 months of the Tories, then they're going to lose even more support (if that's even possible).
Yup, the Tories & LibDems need to worry more about UKIP than Labour.
Besides, if Labour wins the next election by a minority, they'll never form a coalition with either Tory or UKIP. They'd rather form one with LibDem, Green, & Independents, if it means it keeps the Tories out.
The worst thing possible though would be a Tory & UKIP coalition.
It doesn't even bear thinking about.... *shudder*
Totally agree, but the Tory governments took over an economy bankrupted by a Labour administration. In the case of 1979 the IMF was in charge and the family silver was sold off to balance the books.
"We're a rich country. Money is no object".
The North of England got no devolution at all because we voted against it. We recognised that Prescott's Regional Assemblies would be just an expensive talking shop for time-serving politicians, with no benefits at all for the local tax payer.
When Thatcher took over we were one of the poorest countries in the EEC.
When she left, we were one of the richest.
It happens time and again, Labour get in and wreck the country and the Tories have to start from scratch again to build it back up.
Stop wrecking things, just leave the country or something.
Ranking of the World's Richest Countries by GDP
Labour: 1978 (UK 5th)
http://en.classora.com/reports/t24369/general/ranking-of-the-worlds-richest-countries-by-gdp?edition=1978
Tory/Thatcher: 1986-1992 (UK 6th)
http://en.classora.com/reports/t24369/general/ranking-of-the-worlds-richest-countries-by-gdp?edition=1986
Labour/Blair: 1997 (UK 5th)
http://en.classora.com/reports/t24369/general/ranking-of-the-worlds-richest-countries-by-gdp?edition=1997
Labour/Blair: 1999 (UK 4th)
http://en.classora.com/reports/t24369/general/ranking-of-the-worlds-richest-countries-by-gdp?edition=1999
2008-2012: 6th again
2013 = 8th
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29
Propaganda...
Exactly right. The north got offered a talking shop amounting to an expensive waste of time , whilst Scotland got real devolution and Wales a lesser but assembly with powers all the same.
A terrible way to treat your northern heartland most people would say.
This is why Labour doesnt deserve any loyalty from northern voters and UKIP can make gains
People who have no idea what they are talking about keep repeating this Daily Mail myth that Labour bankrupted the country, and not the bankers casino banking system - that the Conservatives wanted to deregulate
even more.
No, the UKIP are not at all racist (ooh look, a flying pig), they're not about to send anyone back to "Bongo Bongo land", nor claim immigration is the root of all evil.
PS Giving us links to the Times is pretty useless, most of us are not stupid to pony up any money to Murdoch's pathetic useless paywall.
Unfortunately your reports don't include debt.
Thats what the IMF was there for, to bail out insolvent countries.
Labour is just another name for debt.
Labour do need to reconnect with the working class of this country, they need more people in the party who come from ordinary backgrounds.
More propaganda
The UK National Debt has been steadily increasing ever since it was introduced, and especially so in recent years.
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/debt_history
It actually increased from 0.76 trillion to 1.16 trillion between 2010 and 2013
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html
And is now at 1.3 trillion
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk
OHG is a Labour man, it'll take more the common sense to make him change his political opinion.
Public sector job increases doesn't really lower the unemployment level.
At least public sector jobs are real jobs (though it sounds as though you disagree?)
Hey, I'm not saying either side are right, but the (authentically employable) unemployed need proper jobs, paying proper decent wages.
The Tories will NEVER deliver that goal.
They'll just try their damndest to get them off benefits so they're spending money on making the rich richer, like everyone else.