Kate- anyone else think she's trouble?
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I had my eyes opened this week by the way she made Phillip look like a silly daft lad and then distanced herself very smartly afterwards. She is one smart cookie who is well aware of all her assets and knows exactly how to use them.
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I do admit that he didn't need much help! I'm no Phillip fan.
How did she make him look like a silly daft lad? They are all in it for themselves and more fool Philip if he thought they had some sort of alliance. She was completely professional in the boardroom.
I don't blame Kate for trying to prove it wasn't getting in the way
Don't get me wrong, I do think she's very flirtatious and uses charm to get people to like her, but that's part and parcel of being a good salesperson - it's no worse than Yasmina offering the Lovers Lead man a cuddle, or Phillip's whole sales demeanour. If people think that her being flirtatious means she's going to unprofessionally favour them then they're being very naive about business.
By being able to use the attraction that he had for her but not let herself get out of her depth so that she was able to back off when necessary with her professionalism intact. A lot of people wouldn't have been able to have enough self awareness and control to do that.
So because she is more professional and has the ability not to get too attached to someone, she is to blame for someone else and their lack of ability to do that?
And to be honest, she really wouldn't have to work that hard to make Philip look daft.
No, of course not. Someone like Kate is trouble not because there is anything at all bad about them but because when someone not so bright and savvy (ie Phillip) comes up against them they will come off worst. Charm can be a dangerous asset to the unwary. My initial post is not Kate bashing. Hope that makes it a bit clearer.
It's a bit like BB in that I would never have a go at anyone for playing the game to win. That's what they are there for. We have had a few ejected candidates on You're Fired this year a bit puzzled about how different it all was for them to the way they normally operate at work.
They're all pretty treacherous, but she strikes me as the most manipulative whilst hiding behind her smile and good looks.
If she'd said Phillip had been wonderful on the task, she would have been pulled up for allowing her relationship to affect her judgement. As it was, I think she dealt with it all fairly well and appropriately. She was honest, but not aggressive or sly.
That was one of the biggest holes I have ever seen anyone dig for themselves in the boardroom.
I don't know.
I liked Kate, still do.
However, all she was showing was that she has no loyalties. To Suralan, phillip or anyone who trusted her.
She didn't say anything against Phillip until this 'friendship' was made open. If she were sincere and really being inaffected in business then she's have said so a lot sooner.
You could see her mind working "Oh bugger, I'm in here because I spent time flirting instead of working, well, he means nothing to me when I'm at work."
If she'd said so 5 or 10 minutes previously then I might go with it.
I'm with you (apart from the good looks).
Of them all she's the one I'd trust least, actually not at all.
I also think that what was said on Fired was pretty near the mark - they didn't make any effort in the hope that they'd fail the task and get Lorraine fired.
Very true. She has performed well so far (this week's show notwithstanding), and I really want to like her, but...I just don't. I can't warm to her at all. I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her to be honest.
On the one hand, I've heard one survey say that 80% of people meet their husband/wife at work. So that suggests that there are an awful lot of relationships going on in the workplace, including all those where people don't end up getting married.
On the other hand, I can remember a time when I was working my way up the corporate ladder when my boss and his boss were having a fling quite openly (one was married at the time). This situation was totally disruptive, caused compromise and, at times, chaos for everyone else.
Kate and Phillip's behaviour in some ways then is probably quite normal.
But this situation is complicated. Is it ok for a relationship or fling to go on if it is carried out with discretion? How many people know of husbands and wives or partners who work well in the same working environment without causing the sort of disruption me and my colleague experienced? There are probably lots of examples.
So I am not going to jump at Kate and Phil and say that they shouldn't have had their fling. But most workplaces do not end up with all the workers going home and living together, a factor which complicates the impact of such a workplace relationship.
We are watching a contrived reality TV show which is designed and welcomes such examples as Kate distancing herself from Phillip in the working environment at the time when whatever they did or did not get up to the evening before, Phillip would not expect it. Drama. Love spurned!
In summary, I think their behaviour is normal, but professional? I'm not so sure.
PS Why is it acceptable for Kate to offer to cuddle a customer if they buy from her, however friendly that exchange seems to be? In my years on the road, I don't think it would be acceptable for me to make such a comment to a prospective female customer. Again, flirtatious behaviour is a tactic used by women (and men) all the time, but professional? I don't think so.
Well said tennisman.
based on what?:)
It couldn't possibly that we are all a bunch of sad plain women who are jealous of her beauty................. DUNDEEBOY would never suggest that I'm sure.
That was Yasmina, and it wasn't an offer of a cuddle in exchange for a sale (which I agree would be unprofessional) it was part of a back and forth about how he'd just broken up with his girlfriend. Even then she looked kind of embarassed afterwards for having said it.