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darkislanddarkisland Posts: 3,178
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'Love Thy Neighbour ' was a British sitcom from the early 1970's which ridiculed the stupidity of preconceptions and bigotry.

Sadly, given that any serious debate on the subject of assimilation of immigrants to the UK, and differences (real or imagined) between 'races' is not tolerated in these post-Macphserson times, I'm not sure how to view this programme. Watching it though, I instinctively cringed at some of the script.. Any thoughts ? :confused:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASytk7s4o0A



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    Big Boy BarryBig Boy Barry Posts: 35,391
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    It was racist
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    bluebladeblueblade Posts: 88,859
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    ....and it was crap anyway......
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    darkislanddarkisland Posts: 3,178
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    blueblade wrote: »
    ....and it was crap anyway......

    I think most of us will take that as read..
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    JunglistSoldierJunglistSoldier Posts: 472
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    It was racist
    blueblade wrote: »
    ....and it was crap anyway......

    End thread.
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    Proposition JoeProposition Joe Posts: 236
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    Might as well lock up this one now mods
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    darkislanddarkisland Posts: 3,178
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    Might as well lock up this one now mods

    I rest my case...
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    DomJollyDomJolly Posts: 1,768
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    what is the point of this thread?
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    BoselectaBoselecta Posts: 1,640
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    One old codger in the pub in it had a running catch phrase "I'll 'ave a 'alf" that was always accompanied by screeching canned laughter??? It was achingly unfunny.
    I remember being gobsmacked several years later seeing Rudolph Walker playing Othello at the Young Vic - he was mesmerizingly good and it seemed ridiculous that he's been in a load of old toss like LTN.
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    darkislanddarkisland Posts: 3,178
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    DomJolly wrote: »
    what is the point of this thread?

    I was quite taken aback by the prog in question and wondered if those who defended it in the past, as had a leg to stand on.
    Fairly straightforward...sorry if 'any thought's ?' was confusing.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,294
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    It was meant to be satirical. The point was to laugh at the racist idiot.

    Unfortunately many people these days have difficulties appreciating apparently complex ideas like irony and sarcasm.

    Whether it is particularly funny now (or was then) is another question, which has nothing to do with whether it was racist. It is a show from the 1970s - few programme shown then have aged very well, and since I wasn't around back then I can't say whether anyone found it particularly amusing at the time either. -But the intent of the makers was very clearly to ridicule racist attitudes, not to condone them.

    The same people who complain about stuff like love thy neighbor wanted Brass Eye banned for promoting paedophillia, and think Randy Newman's 'short people' is actually an attack on short people.

    Of course actual racists loved the show, but that's because they're as thick as the people who complained about it: they just didn't 'get it'.

    I'm sure there are idiots who watch Al Murray's pub landlord routine and actually agree with everything he says, completely oblivious to the fact that Al Murray is sending up xenophobia.
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    RandomSallyRandomSally Posts: 7,072
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    Satire? Rather than just unfunny crap?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,075
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    It was of it's time. The world was a totally different place then and trying to put todays values on things from then is pointless.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,294
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    Satire? Rather than just unfunny crap?

    I said it was meant to be satirical.
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    proviso wrote: »
    It was meant to be satirical. The point was to laugh at the racist idiot.

    Indeed.

    Funny thing is, some people didn't "get it" even then, hence the arrival of shows like "Mind Your Langage" too, which happily indulged in all the piss-taking of johnny foreigner without any of the attempts at satire.
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    VoynichVoynich Posts: 14,481
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    Was there an episode where he thought he thought he was buying a cheese and onion pasty and it turned out to have MEAT in it?
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    THOMOTHOMO Posts: 7,452
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    Till Death Do Us Part with Alf Garnett was a was better comedy than Love Thy Neighbour and it was actually very very funny. Better than the corny jokes in Love Thy Neighbour.
    Ian.
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    VoynichVoynich Posts: 14,481
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    There was also a comedy show about a night school where colourful foreigners learned English. I'm sure it had every stereotype in the book!
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    darkislanddarkisland Posts: 3,178
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    Voynich wrote: »
    Was there an episode where he thought he thought he was buying a cheese and onion pasty and it turned out to have MEAT in it?

    You are naughty ;)
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    2+2=52+2=5 Posts: 24,264
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    The whole point of the comedy is to laugh at this guy's ridiculous reactions. The show wasn't racist but I do think it'd be hard to do a show like this.

    Damn..for some reason this made me miss Desmond's. Loved that show.


    EDIT:

    "am I coloured? yeah, white all over!" - I actually found this funny!

    Also

    "you don't sound like you're coloured" - it's blatantly for us to laugh at this foolish character.
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    darkislanddarkisland Posts: 3,178
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    2+2=5 wrote: »
    The whole point of the comedy is to laugh at this guy's ridiculous reactions. The show wasn't racist but I do think it'd be hard to do a show like this.

    Damn..for some reason this made me miss Desmond's. Loved that show.


    EDIT:

    "am I coloured? yeah, white all over!" - I actually found this funny!

    Also

    "you don't sound like you're coloured" - it's blatantly for us to laugh at this foolish character.

    Desmond's was very good. Featuring a young Lenny H.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,391
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    Dot Branning was using worse language in Eastenders in the 80's.

    Give it a rest and retreat to the PC caves.
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    warmleatherettewarmleatherette Posts: 4,174
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    I got the box set of all 6 seasons from zavvi last year for £16, funny in places but to get 6 seasons it must have had something going for it.
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    Weigh-ManWeigh-Man Posts: 2,132
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    darkisland wrote: »
    Desmond's was very good. Featuring a young Lenny H.

    Lenny Henry wasn't in Desmonds, he was in The Fosters many years earlier.
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    darkislanddarkisland Posts: 3,178
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    Weigh-Man wrote: »
    Lenny Henry wasn't in Desmonds, he was in The Fosters many years earlier.

    My mistake - the common link was the late Norman Beaton !
    Thanks :o
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    kippehkippeh Posts: 6,655
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    Weigh-Man wrote: »
    Lenny Henry wasn't in Desmonds, he was in The Fosters many years earlier.

    I loved Lenny Henry when he was Delbert "Crucial!" Wilkins. :D
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