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    davidmcndavidmcn Posts: 12,112
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    LostFool wrote: »
    The problem with the announcement is that it confuses two very different issues - the blocking of illegal content (which nobody can be against in principle regardless of the technical practicalities) and allowing people to choose whether they want to receive "legal" porn (which is more controversial)

    And also conflating it with a broadening of what counts as illegal content, without any consultation or evidence. If it's legal for consenting adults to do something, why should it be illegal to possess images of it?
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    geordiejackiegeordiejackie Posts: 3,400
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    Duncan J wrote: »
    'I don't like it so ban it' :rolleyes:

    Did i say ban it ?
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    with regards to a couple of earlier posts talking about protests , I think the posters missed the obvious, of course protests wont be in the form of people taking to the streets , but given the medium and nature of the policy I would be fairly certain we would see a few large scale DDoS attacks
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    mimik1uk wrote: »
    with regards to a couple of earlier posts talking about protests , I think the posters missed the obvious, of course protests wont be in the form of people taking to the streets , but given the medium and nature of the policy I would be fairly certain we would see a few large scale DDoS attacks

    bet your life on it.
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    OvertheUnderOvertheUnder Posts: 4,764
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    Duncan J wrote: »

    It doesn't seem to be a popular policy so far. Hopefully someone has been watching the reaction to this policy and taken note.

    It is divisive because the prudish nature of the British public. No-one wants to admit they watch porn regularly but they do and this has shoehorned social policy with civil liberties - not a nice combination.
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Duncan J wrote: »

    seeing that on the DM site amongst all their soft porn is like a physical embodiment of irony.
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    CharlotteswebCharlottesweb Posts: 18,680
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    Duncan J wrote: »

    I'm fairly sure the daily mail wont be so positive about it when the algorithms start counting their own prevelance for 15 year olds in bikini photographs as child porn and they get blocked.

    Because they will.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,924
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    LostFool wrote: »
    The problem with the announcement is that it confuses two very different issues - the blocking of illegal content (which nobody can be against in principle regardless of the technical practicalities) and allowing people to choose whether they want to receive "legal" porn (which is more controversial)

    I think this is a deliberate - and very cycnical - ploy by Dave.
    davidmcn wrote: »
    And also conflating it with a broadening of what counts as illegal content, without any consultation or evidence.

    That as well.
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    twogunthomtwogunthom Posts: 2,185
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    What is the goal here, make it harder for pervs, or stop child abuse, isn't Cameron just trying to score points before the imminent arrival of the Royal birth which will eclipse all this shite. Target the real criminals of this sick trade, hunt them down and give them sentences befitting their crimes, instead of pussyfooting round it, nothing more than justification of snooper charter and gaining a tighter control of the internet.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    LostFool wrote: »
    The problem with the announcement is that it confuses two very different issues - the blocking of illegal content (which nobody can be against in principle regardless of the technical practicalities) and allowing people to choose whether they want to receive "legal" porn (which is more controversial)

    That's the underhand intention though isn't it and the all too predicable course with this kind of thing.

    The use of one stance, to ship in a whole host of other changes that in truth aren't strictly related at all.
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    apaulapaul Posts: 9,846
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    I prefer Cameron's nanny statism, which will end up on the scrapheap, to have to watch his ugly mug at sporting events.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,662
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    Duncan J wrote: »

    I never know what are scarier - the opinions in Mail articles or the ones in the comments section.
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    be funny when the iplayer is blocked.

    along with government websites giving advice to teens.
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    workhorseworkhorse Posts: 2,836
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    At last someone with a few morals.i paid for cyber patrol while my kids were growing up and would have been very thankful for the new rule on porn.
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    mooxmoox Posts: 18,880
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    workhorse wrote: »
    At last someone with a few morals.i paid for cyber patrol while my kids were growing up and would have been very thankful for the new rule on porn.

    You don't need to impose something on millions of people to get what you wanted for yourself - which is what Cameron is suggesting.

    Today, right now, there are internet providers that will give you what you want - a filter that doesn't need you to install anything on your computer - and if you want it you can opt-in, without forcing millions of others to opt out.

    All of the mobile phone networks have had filters for ages, too.

    There is just no need for this idea. Any parent who feels the need to censor the internet for their children can ring up TalkTalk or a couple of other providers and get a filter put on their own internet connection.

    For example, this - https://sales.talktalk.co.uk/product/homesafe
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    workhorse wrote: »
    At last someone with a few morals.i paid for cyber patrol while my kids were growing up and would have been very thankful for the new rule on porn.

    so are you saying you would not have had to have paid for cyber patrol had the rule been in place?
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    OrriOrri Posts: 9,470
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    davidmcn wrote: »
    And also conflating it with a broadening of what counts as illegal content, without any consultation or evidence. If it's legal for consenting adults to do something, why should it be illegal to possess images of it?

    In effect you might say that depictions of some form of bondage could be classed as a depiction of a form or rape. There might be several other forms of sex-play that might also, if there were no actual consent to also be rape.
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    WhiteFangWhiteFang Posts: 3,970
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    It wouldnt work as where is the line drawn and who decides it.
    If parents want more controls let them monitor their internet and kids useage.
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Orri wrote: »
    In effect you might say that depictions of some form of bondage could be classed as a depiction of a form or rape. There might be several other forms of sex-play that might also, if there were no actual consent to also be rape.

    all bdsm these days online induces interviews before and after if it's videos. for picture series the last picture is always the girl smiling at the end.

    it wouldn't surprise me if people did try to make the link. but it would be crass.
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    megarespmegaresp Posts: 888
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    Flat_Eric wrote: »
    I think this is a deliberate - and very cycnical - ploy by Dave.

    You may be right, and perhaps even for a variety of reasons. For example, imagine you were PM and you had a couple of outspoken morality freaks in your party. They kept urging you to ban born. They won't shut up about it, being outspoken morality freaks. What do you do?

    Maybe you tell them to put a policy together and float it to the public. Tell them you're right behind it. Then let public outrage kill the thing forever.

    On the other hand I wouldn't be all that surprised if Cameron happened to be one of the morality freaks who, apparently, don't enjoy seeing photos or movies of attractive people having consensual sex.
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    The PhazerThe Phazer Posts: 8,487
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    Orri wrote: »
    In effect you might say that depictions of some form of bondage could be classed as a depiction of a form or rape. There might be several other forms of sex-play that might also, if there were no actual consent to also be rape.

    Yep. This is effectively an attempt to ban expression of sexual minorities involved in BDSM.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,999
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    I can't say I'm all that bothered one way or the other though I don't see it as the job of ISPs to be forced to filter online content.
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    davidmcndavidmcn Posts: 12,112
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    flagpole wrote: »
    all bdsm these days online induces interviews before and after if it's videos. for picture series the last picture is always the girl smiling at the end.

    I doubt the question of whether the participants actually consented is going to make any difference - they certainly don't matter in the current laws on "extreme" porn.
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    workhorseworkhorse Posts: 2,836
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    moox wrote: »
    You don't need to impose something on millions of people to get what you wanted for yourself - which is what Cameron is suggesting.

    Today, right now, there are internet providers that will give you what you want - a filter that doesn't need you to install anything on your computer - and if you want it you can opt-in, without forcing millions of others to opt out.

    All of the mobile phone networks have had filters for ages, too.

    There is just no need for this idea. Any parent who feels the need to censor the internet for their children can ring up TalkTalk or a couple of other providers and get a filter put on their own internet connection.

    For example, this - https://sales.talktalk.co.uk/product/homesafe

    i believe it should be my right to be protected from porn.i shouldn't have to pay for what should be my right.innocent searches bring up porn,I had no choice but to pay.i didn't want my sons thinking porn was normal and in later life having difficulty in their relationships because for example they expected anal sex etc.
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    davidmcn wrote: »
    I doubt the question of whether the participants actually consented is going to make any difference - they certainly don't matter in the current laws on "extreme" porn.

    well it's not simulated rape. it's bondage.
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