Thing people are missing is that if Pistorius somehow manages to fake GAD and therefore it is ruled it effected his culpability on the night of the incident then he will be placed in a mental insitution until such a time as the doctors are convinced he presents no danger to society.....
It isn't a way out of this.
Somehow I can't see that happening. It would surely be too inhumane,.
Well Nel stepped in it now---took a perfectly poor case to begin with and made it even less likely for conviction.
I'm ready for another bet. Who wants to take a swing at this pinata?
The psychiatric panel will find the same thing that Dr. Vorster did and it will give great credence to his actions as he testified.
Also if you listened to Judge Masipa, she even gave a clue to her thoughts and how she was thinking as the trial has developed to this point.
My hat is off to that cagey Rouxmeister.
Well played.
Having looked at MINDS categories for psycopaths, sociapaths, narcissists and GAD Pistorius' rage if he is a narcissist (very possible) is NOT caused by the anxiety. I wonder if he hurt animals when he was around aged 15 as this is what pysychopaths and sociopaths start off doing. If he didn't he's none of these 2 either!!!! So he WILL go to prison.
Somehow I can't see that happening. It would surely be too inhumane,.
If you have a condition that has been deemed responsible for someone's death then no.
If people are found to have mental illness that diminishes there responsibility to serious crime they don't just end up walking the streets freely.....
Staying at a psychiatric unit for 30 days is not inhumane. Apparently this man is ill and dangerous with a weapon. Should he really be allowed to wander around free.
The problem here is, of course, that we know he's probably not ill at all. It's a defence conjured up so he gets a lesser sentence.
South Africans are already surprised a killer was even granted bail. Now the judge is too scared to send him for a few weeks of 24-hour psychological assessment? This man is clearly above the law.
The assessment is to determine if he is indeed ill and to establish whether or not he had diminished responsibility. He is not allowed weapons at present, and various restrictions have been placed on his freedom, so I can't see why detaining him for 30 days would serve any useful purpose. It's about justice, not about what we want.
I am confused. Can anyone tell me how an assessment, no matter now thorough, done 15 months after an offence, can be relevant to the mental state of the accused at the time of the offence. It just doesn't make sense to me. If he does show he has GAD during the assessment, what's to say that hasn't arisen as a result of being charged, losing status, lifestyle, respect, etc? How can anyone prove his mental state 15 months ago? Can anyone explain?
And that's exactly what the referral will be able to establish.
He can still get the full assessment - it's just that he won't be staying overnight. And if psychiatrists can have the wool pulled over their eyes that easily, the assessment is totally worthless anyway.
I'm in the minority but I feel the same way. At the end they were talking about psychiatrists and psychologists (plural) and that sounds to me like a veritable team!
So long as these people are unbiased and professional I do not believe they could be conned by OP - I know this sounds rude but after his appearance on the witness stand I concluded we weren't exactly dealing with the sharpest tool in the shed.
If he does in fact suffer from a disorder of any kind, fine. I just want the truth.
Depends on the condition I suppose. It's "just" anxiety after all. It's not as if he's a risk to himself or others in terms of a mental illness. So to have him put into a mental hospital for 30 days is quite extreme even for someone who may be convicted of murder further down the line. I know those who hate him won't agree but he does have rights.
Of course he has rights but the big problem I have is that he has blatantly been getting preferential since the start because he is famous, rich and white. If poor black people accused of murder were treated like this as well then I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Being an outpatient won't be a holiday or a 20 min assessment for a couple of days. It will be a full evaluation. People seem upset that OP isn't being punished enough by this referral - kind of showing a lot if bias as to your views on what a psychiatric evaluation should entail.
Being an outpatient he'll be less likely to demonstrate extreme distress at his environment as well.
Bit disappointed at the people baying for blood in here
Exactly. It's going to be at least 5-8 hours a day. Dissecting everything about him from his personality, to his traits and propensity to kill which is already obvious.
This won't be something he can read up on and churn out answers to. My dad says assessments are more than just questions being asked. They could have set rooms with items like books, games etc. which they may put him in and just observe what he does. Does he take a book? play a game? Is it a violent game?
They are slick and will build rapport and get OP talking. About any old thing. Just making what seems like small talk or light conversation all of which will be assessed.
It means a month break from this and I can get more things done in the morning.
He's gonna get off anyway. He always was. Probably why this whole 'trial' has been treated like some theatre entertainment, with lots of intervals.
My heart goes out to Reeva''s family. They must be sick to the heart, seeing how this is going, their daughters murderer getting off with the adoring judge's blessing.
I don't think there was anything else she could do, she laid out the evidence that meant the application should have been made.
I don't know how I feel about it.
I can see it had to be done, I can see that it could be that Roux snuck it in to evidence proper and could use it in trial and on appeal.
And also if he's got GAD, then he has, and at least if it has to remain on the record, then at least if it is, it has been challenged and confirmed and isn't some ambush waiting in the wings.
Exactly. Roux putting Dr V in the witness box is what triggered this. He should have gone with the fight or flight person.
Then why didn't she back the defence and throw out the application?
You're all being a tad silly. He's going for 30 day psychiatric evaluation. He will be attending the facility all day, just not sleeping there (which there could be a 6 month waiting list if they wanted him admitted). He won't be able to "fake it".
She had to agree to it after what Vorster said.
To evaluate he needs to be under lock and key for the full 30 days. Of course he can fake it he faked the tears in court. Who's being a tad silly now.
one question.....does masippa request that all the referred accused, she presides over, are assessed as out patients.....or just the rich ones...
I bet she doesn't but then I bet their counsel cannot afford to bring in experts to testify either.
As I posted last night over 70% of patients in UK prisons have 2 or more mental disorders. They would have been lucky if they got a 30 min interview with a specialist prior to court.
I'm in the minority but I feel the same way. At the end they were talking about psychiatrists and psychologists (plural) and that sounds to me like a veritable team!
So long as these people are unbiased and professional I do not believe they could be conned by OP - I know this sounds rude but after his appearance on the witness stand I concluded we weren't exactly dealing with the sharpest tool in the shed.
If he does in fact suffer from a disorder of any kind, fine. I just want the truth.
If you have a condition that has been deemed responsible for someone's death then no.
If people are found to have mental illness that diminishes there responsibility to serious crime they don't just end up walking the streets freely.....
Mr X I was being sarcastic. I just think he is going to get away with it all now. He committed a serious crime yes, but so far the courts have done their utmost to ensure he stays firmly in his deck chair by the pool with a glass of lemonade for as long as possible.
How can we be sure he has no access to weapons? Isn't he staying with his family, who own hundreds of guns?
Exactly. It's going to be at least 5-8 hours a day. Dissecting everything about him from his personality, to his traits and propensity to kill which is already obvious.
This won't be something he can read up on and churn out answers to. My dad says assessments are more than just questions being asked. They could have set rooms with items like books, games etc. which they may put him in and just observe what he does. Does he take a book? play a game? Is it a violent game?
They are slick and will build rapport and get OP talking. About any old thing. Just making what seems like small talk or light conversation all of which will be assessed.
It means a month break from this and I can get more things done in the morning.
A month? Likely to be longer than that. Presumably there is a waiting list either way.
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Somehow I can't see that happening. It would surely be too inhumane,.
The charge is clearly and unequivocally stated that he INTENDED to kill:
TO WIT: Reeva Steenkamp, a 29 year old female.
Not in a million years of Sundays.
Having looked at MINDS categories for psycopaths, sociapaths, narcissists and GAD Pistorius' rage if he is a narcissist (very possible) is NOT caused by the anxiety. I wonder if he hurt animals when he was around aged 15 as this is what pysychopaths and sociopaths start off doing. If he didn't he's none of these 2 either!!!! So he WILL go to prison.
lol so sad, they would rather him get off than for Nel who they despise too win the case. Think they forget about Reeva in all this
If you have a condition that has been deemed responsible for someone's death then no.
If people are found to have mental illness that diminishes there responsibility to serious crime they don't just end up walking the streets freely.....
The assessment is to determine if he is indeed ill and to establish whether or not he had diminished responsibility. He is not allowed weapons at present, and various restrictions have been placed on his freedom, so I can't see why detaining him for 30 days would serve any useful purpose. It's about justice, not about what we want.
Or just ignore them. He or she is clearly just trying to wind everyone up. ;-)
And that's exactly what the referral will be able to establish.
I'm in the minority but I feel the same way. At the end they were talking about psychiatrists and psychologists (plural) and that sounds to me like a veritable team!
So long as these people are unbiased and professional I do not believe they could be conned by OP - I know this sounds rude but after his appearance on the witness stand I concluded we weren't exactly dealing with the sharpest tool in the shed.
If he does in fact suffer from a disorder of any kind, fine. I just want the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DCExerOsA
Of course he has rights but the big problem I have is that he has blatantly been getting preferential since the start because he is famous, rich and white. If poor black people accused of murder were treated like this as well then I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Exactly. It's going to be at least 5-8 hours a day. Dissecting everything about him from his personality, to his traits and propensity to kill which is already obvious.
This won't be something he can read up on and churn out answers to. My dad says assessments are more than just questions being asked. They could have set rooms with items like books, games etc. which they may put him in and just observe what he does. Does he take a book? play a game? Is it a violent game?
They are slick and will build rapport and get OP talking. About any old thing. Just making what seems like small talk or light conversation all of which will be assessed.
It means a month break from this and I can get more things done in the morning.
He's gonna get off anyway. He always was. Probably why this whole 'trial' has been treated like some theatre entertainment, with lots of intervals.
My heart goes out to Reeva''s family. They must be sick to the heart, seeing how this is going, their daughters murderer getting off with the adoring judge's blessing.
Exactly. Roux putting Dr V in the witness box is what triggered this. He should have gone with the fight or flight person.
She had to agree to it after what Vorster said.
To evaluate he needs to be under lock and key for the full 30 days. Of course he can fake it he faked the tears in court. Who's being a tad silly now.
I bet she doesn't but then I bet their counsel cannot afford to bring in experts to testify either.
As I posted last night over 70% of patients in UK prisons have 2 or more mental disorders. They would have been lucky if they got a 30 min interview with a specialist prior to court.
Ignoring is by far the best way to go.
I just yawn and skip past.
Totally agree.
Mr X I was being sarcastic.
How can we be sure he has no access to weapons? Isn't he staying with his family, who own hundreds of guns?
A month? Likely to be longer than that. Presumably there is a waiting list either way.
But how?