[*Topaz*]

Originally Posted by Lilaeth

So what does VB have to do to merit calling herself a designer? Is coming up with ideas not enough? Pretty sure Lagerfeld et al don't draw the patterns, cut them out, sew them up, etc.

Originally Posted by Chip Popple

Lagerfeld did start his career as an apprentice for a fashion house, he worked his way up too. He's been in the fashion world since the late 1950's, to mention him and Posh in the same sentence is a bit of a travesty tbh.

Chip Popple said it all really but I'll just add my bit! I mean come on you can't seriously be saying just having 'ideas' is enough to become a 'designer'......it takes years to train to become one and I said before I know all fashion designers have teams behind them but the difference between them and VB is they do know how to draw, sew, cut, make patterns, drape etc - so they'd be able to give their teams a more detailed vision of what they want. Oh and by the way we don't even know if VB comes up with all the 'ideas'....for all we know her creative team are largely responsible for those too!

[Lilaeth]

Originally Posted by Chip Popple

Lagerfeld did start his career as an apprentice for a fashion house, he worked his way up too. He's been in the fashion world since the late 1950's, to mention him and Posh in the same sentence is a bit of a travesty tbh.

Personally, I'd rather wear his clothes than his, but that apart, no-one's really explained why she can't call herself a designer. Can't there be gifted amateurs? Coco Chanel worked as a singer, and no-one holds that against her! (OK, I know she was a seamstress, but so was my mum, and she'd never call herself a designer.) And for all we know, VB has been studying all the prerequisites for being a designer and might in fact be handy with a pattern and a pair of scissors! I trained in a field that is full of amateurs who do marvellous work. I don't see why 'fashion' has to be any different.

[*Topaz*]

Originally Posted by Lilaeth

And for all we know, VB has been studying all the prerequisites for being a designer and might in fact be handy with a pattern and a pair of scissors! I trained in a field that is full of amateurs who do marvellous work. I don't see why 'fashion' has to be any different.

Has VB ever mentioned that she's studied fashion design? Can she draw a design for example?

[lexi22]

I read a good piece on her a while ago (can't remember where, I think during last NY's fashion week) where someone followed her around for a bit while putting a collection together. She may not be a designer in the accepted sense of the word but it's her own personal style and ideas that dictate the lines. You can quibble over whether or not that qualifies her as a designer, but she is 100% the force behind the brand and very hands-on as far as that goes, and also, from what I've read, very hard-working. I do believe she has a natural creativity and a genuine passion for what she does.

[sheila blige]

Originally Posted by lexi22

I read a good piece on her a while ago (can't remember where, I think during last NY's fashion week) where someone followed her around for a bit while putting a collection together. She may not be a designer in the accepted sense of the word but it's her own personal style and ideas that dictate the lines. You can quibble over whether or not that qualifies her as a designer, but she is 100% the force behind the brand and very hands-on as far as that goes, and also, from what I've read, very hard-working. I do believe she has a natural creativity and a genuine passion for what she does.

She certainly does have a passion for fashion. She has excellent taste and knows what works. I honestly don't think she's ever called herself a fashion designer - it seems other people have given her that label. She does take the business very seriously though and does work hard. I agree that she is 100% force behind the brand.

I just hope she doesn't go back to joining that crappy girl band. She's better at putting her name to clothes than to songs.

[*Topaz*]

Originally Posted by lexi22

I read a good piece on her a while ago (can't remember where, I think during last NY's fashion week) where someone followed her around for a bit while putting a collection together. She may not be a designer in the accepted sense of the word but it's her own personal style and ideas that dictate the lines. You can quibble over whether or not that qualifies her as a designer, but she is 100% the force behind the brand and very hands-on as far as that goes, and also, from what I've read, very hard-working. I do believe she has a natural creativity and a genuine passion for what she does.

Originally Posted by sheila blige

She certainly does have a passion for fashion. She has excellent taste and knows what works. I honestly don't think she's ever called herself a fashion designer - it seems other people have given her that label. She does take the business very seriously though and does work hard. I agree that she is 100% force behind the brand.

I just hope she doesn't go back to joining that crappy girl band. She's better at putting her name to clothes than to songs.

I don't doubt her passion for fashion these days or that she works very hard at promoting the line but I just don't agree she's a 'fashion designer' as I explained before it takes years of hard graft to become one & even if she hasn't called herself one I think she could give her team more credit......perhaps she does but she seems happy to go along with the 'fashion designer' title........also Prumeister mentioned earlier in the thread her 'style' did seem to suddenly change because before she had a typical WAG image that was often laughed at - I think it was on the adivice of the Vogue editor she changed it.......so if I'm entirely honest I find it hard to believe she comes up with many of the 'creative' ideas as well..........call me cynical

Yes I hope the Spice Girls don't make a reunion either - at least the success of her fashion line has saved us from many of those

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by sheila blige

She certainly does have a passion for fashion. She has excellent taste and knows what works. I honestly don't think she's ever called herself a fashion designer - it seems other people have given her that label. She does take the business very seriously though and does work hard. I agree that she is 100% force behind the brand.

I just hope she doesn't go back to joining that crappy girl band. She's better at putting her name to clothes than to songs.

Yes, best stick to what she's good at! And she is good at it. And really, if she wants to call herself a designer, why not, it's her brand. I've never heard her claiming to be a one-man band and she always mentions her creative team in interviews and says how lucky she is to have them and to be doing what she's doing.

[*Topaz*]

Originally Posted by lexi22

Yes, best stick to what she's good at! And she is good at it. And really, if she wants to call herself a designer, why not, it's her brand. I've never heard her claiming to be a one-man band and she always mentions her creative team in interviews and says how lucky she is to have them and to be doing what she's doing.

Well if she does mention her team that's good but if she is calling herself a 'designer' - I still think it's disrespectful to people who've trained in it for many years.....no matter how passionate she is about fashion and her brand.

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by *Topaz*

Well if she does mention her team that's good but if she is calling herself a 'designer' - I still think it's disrespectful to people who've trained in it for many years.....no matter how passionate she is about fashion and her brand.

Why? People call themselves singers and musicians and writers and models and writers and whatnot when they've achieved only a tiny fraction of what VB has.

She won the Designer Brand Award at the British Fashion Awards last year. I think that entitles her to consider herself a reasonably credible force in the world of fashion design.

It just seems a bit petty imo to be making a big deal out of how she is referred to or how she may refer to herself. She's responsible for the designs, she has creative input, she's the driving force behind them, her creative input is acknowledged by those who work with her and by other designers, and she has been recognised for it by people in the fashion industry. And she always credits her team. I'm not really sure what else she can do to satisfy people.

[*Topaz*]

Originally Posted by lexi22

Why? People call themselves singers and musicians and writers and models and writers and whatnot when they've achieved only a tiny fraction of what VB has.

She won the Designer Brand Award at the British Fashion Awards last year. I think that entitles her to consider herself a reasonably credible force in the world of fashion design.

It just seems a bit petty imo to be making a big deal out of how she is referred to or how she may refer to herself. She's responsible for the designs, she has creative input, she's the driving force behind them, her creative input is acknowledged by those who work with her and by other designers, and she has been recognised for it by people in the fashion industry. And she always credits her team. I'm not really sure what else she can do to satisfy people.

I recognise that her brand is successful but I think the award was for her brand not for her as a 'fashion designer'......sorry if you think I'm being petty and obviously you and few other posters are fine with her being called a 'fashion designer'........but I personally don't think she's one and I do think it's disrespectful to other designers for her to be called one so on that we'll have to agree to disagree........we don't know the views of all fashion designers - I know she's friends with some but I'd take a guess that some outside her circle don't see her as one... at the end of the day she hasn't trained in design so no matter how many PR friendly interviews she's done - I don't believe her input into the brand is as much as a designer whose trained and worked at it for many years.........but I'm glad that you say she always credits her team because I really don't think she'd have made much of an impact in fashion without them.

[Rip the TV Eye]

James Corden. Right up until I started watching A League Of Their Own I thought he was overhyped and unfunny. Really enjoyed watching him on that, but not been tempted to see him in anything else since.

[Rip the TV Eye]

Originally Posted by tally

Oh me too, I loathe her now. On t'other hand I've done a complete one eighty on son Jack. I used to think he was a fat, useless waste of space. I so admire the way he's changed his life around. Even the devastating news of MS has been met head on with no pity and tremendous courage. Good on you Jack.

Seconded.