It still happened, though, whether it was 'plot-driven' or not. She didn't 'move on' from him all that long ago, and she is still running to him for money this week according to the spoilers.
True it did still happen but the fact she had gotten over him in a matter of weeks and had hooked up with Buster showed how plot-driven it was, a blip in her lack of interest in Phil in that way since summer 2012. Asking him for money doesn't mean she wants to get back with him. They do still have a sort of 'frenemy' type relationship.
Why? Shirley may have looked out for Ben when he was younger but she absolutely hates his guts now. She actually tried to drown him when she found out about Heather. I doubt Kathy will be thanking her for that.
I'm not saying Kathy should go out of her way to befriend or thank Shirley but she has more reason to be amicable towards her than not. I'm sure she would understand why Shirley tried to drown Ben as well.
Any excuse to have a pop at Sharon, eh? ;-)
Actually, I wasn't the first to speculate over Kathy's relationship with Sharon or to suggest that there might be tension between them.
Sharon was on drugs. So she wasn't on sound mind about Lexi. She never meant it. Shirley tried to drown Ben.
Well if we can excuse Sharon's actions because of her addiction, then we can excuse Shirley's by taking into account she was in a highly emotional state after finding out that he had murdered her best friend.
Shirley hasn't moved on from Phil. She was devastated when Phil married Sharon.
That was months ago, she moved on from him after that within a matter of weeks. When we saw her again she didn't care about Phil and was with Buster.
I'm still on the fence about Kathy's return. She wasn't a character I particularly liked or disliked....she was just there, and when she went I didn't miss her. Gavin is bound to be Sharon's dad, but as a completely new character I'm interested to see what he's like as an individual. A decent male character in that age group would be a bonus as most of the older characters are female.
I was against a return until I saw her in live week and it felt amazing seeing her . I always loved Kathy though
Just watch TPTB's bizarre obsession with KIng Cockroach and his status as an invincible living God totally screw this storyline and all of the other characters right up.
So was I to a extent but just seeing her, it's the familiarity and just how much someone like her is needed.
Don't get me wrong, she could well be an asset to the show, besides she'll be the only one of the original 'grown ups ' we'll have, which gives her a certain value before she even puts a foot on the square.
...and I did get excited when she popped up in live week.
Just watch TPTB's bizarre obsession with KIng Cockroach and his status as an invincible living God totally screw this storyline and all of the other characters right up.
Again.
I am predicting that right now.
Kathy will be in his bed within a week.
I hope that happens actually. I want grant to reunite with sharon
Well if we can excuse Sharon's actions because of her addiction, then we can excuse Shirley's by taking into account she was in a highly emotional state after finding out that he had murdered her best friend.
That was months ago, she moved on from him after that within a matter of weeks. When we saw her again she didn't care about Phil and was with Buster.
Someone remind me - was Gavin supposed to have "died" too? (I think he was but just want to confirm I remember correctly) If he was, and he is indeed coming into the show I hope there is a good back story as to how it has been believed 2 people are to be dead for (9 years?), when they are clearly very much alive!!! Not saying I don't think DTC can/will pull it off but it needs to be epic - I can't wait for her to come back again even if it is only a short tease again, but at the same time I also can't wait for her full "comeback" as these teasers are just that, a lot of questions to be answered.
Yes i got a buzz when i saw Kathy step out of the car and am with holding judgement until i see it play out on screen but I am still very, very skeptical about it all and think it could be a huge mistake. Especially if they further complicate it by having Gavin be Sharon's father and have been known to Den back in the day.
It's possible of course, we know nothing about him, nothing to say that just because Kathy met him in SA he wasn't originally Walford born, or she didn't already know him from then. But I'm skeptical about the number of co-incidences and hoops they'll have to jump to explain just why Kathy would put her children through the misery of believing she was dead, and if it were against her will, why she isn't such a complete basket case she is unrecogniseable as the person we once knew.
Someone remind me - was Gavin supposed to have "died" too? (I think he was but just want to confirm I remember correctly) If he was, and he is indeed coming into the show I hope there is a good back story as to how it has been believed 2 people are to be dead for (9 years?), when they are clearly very much alive!!! Not saying I don't think DTC can/will pull it off but it needs to be epic - I can't wait for her to come back again even if it is only a short tease again, but at the same time I also can't wait for her full "comeback" as these teasers are just that, a lot of questions to be answered.
Yes Gavin also 'died'. Jane took the phone call from Gavin's sister to say that Kathy and Gavin had been in a car crash, Gavin was in a critical condition in hospital and Kathy had died on impact as the other vehicle crashed into her side of the car. Two or three days later they received another phone call to say Gavin had also passed away in hospital having never regained consciousness. Both bodies were identified by Gavin's sister and buried. Ian travelled to South Africa for the funerals and to bring Ben back.
Yes Gavin also 'died'. Jane took the phone call from Gavin's sister to say that Kathy and Gavin had been in a car crash, Gavin was in a critical condition in hospital and Kathy had died on impact as the other vehicle crashed into her side of the car. Two or three days later they received another phone call to say Gavin had also passed away in hospital having never regained consciousness. Both bodies were identified by Gavin's sister and buried. Ian travelled to South Africa for the funerals and to bring Ben back.
Thank you for that - I thought I was right, but I am still glad I asked as I hadn't remembered with as greater detail as you - If Gavin comes into the show, I would like them to bring in his sister, find out her role in all this having "identified" both bodies (either she didn't do a very good job of it, or she pulled a "Charlie Cotton" type role in this and was in on faking their deaths)
Well look, it clearly doesn't matter if Gavin had 'died' in dialogue, as so did Kathy.
Both can be brought back in...
I'm actually thinking...that...this could actually work?? It's pushing co-incidence to the limit, but not one piece of onscreen, unflappable continuity has been stretched. Sharon's father was referred to by name as Gavin.
Well look, it clearly doesn't matter if Gavin had 'died' in dialogue, as so did Kathy.
Both can be brought back in...
I'm actually thinking...that...this could actually work?? It's pushing co-incidence to the limit, but not one piece of onscreen, unflappable continuity has been stretched. Sharon's father was referred to by name as Gavin.
Yes, whilst i have doubts, it is an extraudinary pieve of luck that former production teams both happened to choose the name Gavin for an off screen man with important links to current or past characters.
Whilst they could have come up with an explanation for a difference, he'd been using an alias either as a cover for infidelity of criminal activity for example, it is much neater that they don't have to.
Assuming of course he does turn out to be Sharon's father.
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I'm not saying Kathy should go out of her way to befriend or thank Shirley but she has more reason to be amicable towards her than not. I'm sure she would understand why Shirley tried to drown Ben as well.
Actually, I wasn't the first to speculate over Kathy's relationship with Sharon or to suggest that there might be tension between them.
Fantastic choice ell. Philip Glenn is terrible would be good too
That was months ago, she moved on from him after that within a matter of weeks. When we saw her again she didn't care about Phil and was with Buster.
I was against a return until I saw her in live week and it felt amazing seeing her
Again.
I am predicting that right now.
Kathy will be in his bed within a week.
So was I to a extent but just seeing her, it's the familiarity and just how much someone like her is needed.
Don't get me wrong, she could well be an asset to the show, besides she'll be the only one of the original 'grown ups ' we'll have, which gives her a certain value before she even puts a foot on the square.
...and I did get excited when she popped up in live week.
I hope that happens actually. I want grant to reunite with sharon
without a doubt! EE are makng it a bit too obvious
Exactly. I agree.
Mick will probably over shadow the "tease"
You're obsessed with Mick like I am with Max. You secretly love him don't you.
Yes i got a buzz when i saw Kathy step out of the car and am with holding judgement until i see it play out on screen but I am still very, very skeptical about it all and think it could be a huge mistake. Especially if they further complicate it by having Gavin be Sharon's father and have been known to Den back in the day.
It's possible of course, we know nothing about him, nothing to say that just because Kathy met him in SA he wasn't originally Walford born, or she didn't already know him from then. But I'm skeptical about the number of co-incidences and hoops they'll have to jump to explain just why Kathy would put her children through the misery of believing she was dead, and if it were against her will, why she isn't such a complete basket case she is unrecogniseable as the person we once knew.
Yes Gavin also 'died'. Jane took the phone call from Gavin's sister to say that Kathy and Gavin had been in a car crash, Gavin was in a critical condition in hospital and Kathy had died on impact as the other vehicle crashed into her side of the car. Two or three days later they received another phone call to say Gavin had also passed away in hospital having never regained consciousness. Both bodies were identified by Gavin's sister and buried. Ian travelled to South Africa for the funerals and to bring Ben back.
Thank you for that - I thought I was right, but I am still glad I asked as I hadn't remembered with as greater detail as you - If Gavin comes into the show, I would like them to bring in his sister, find out her role in all this having "identified" both bodies (either she didn't do a very good job of it, or she pulled a "Charlie Cotton" type role in this and was in on faking their deaths)
Both can be brought back in...
I'm actually thinking...that...this could actually work?? It's pushing co-incidence to the limit, but not one piece of onscreen, unflappable continuity has been stretched. Sharon's father was referred to by name as Gavin.
Me neither! Regardless of who plays him now, I will always imagine him as Jack Ellis. I hope Jack Ellis joins EastEnders one day!
Yes, whilst i have doubts, it is an extraudinary pieve of luck that former production teams both happened to choose the name Gavin for an off screen man with important links to current or past characters.
Whilst they could have come up with an explanation for a difference, he'd been using an alias either as a cover for infidelity of criminal activity for example, it is much neater that they don't have to.
Assuming of course he does turn out to be Sharon's father.