Also the Doctor was looking for his friend but he didn't say the name of the friend, so could it be possible he wasn't looking for Clara but someone else?
To all you "oh so clever" people saying it was obvious. I'm clever and I DIDNT see that coming. So there...:p . (Im convinced that even if you clever boys and girls were ever surprised you'd still moan about it and SAY you saw any twist coming)
To all you "oh so clever" people saying it was obvious. I'm clever and I DIDNT see that coming. So there...:p . (Im convinced that even if you clever boys and girls were ever surprised you'd still moan about it and SAY you saw any twist coming)
Just nineteen posts and you've sussed out some of the people on here already
I don't know, but the girl had a northern accent (rather than a London one), and bore very little resemblance to a young Jenna.
I wasn't going to comment on it, as they are the ramblings of a pedant, but your post ties into it a bit.
Doesn't Jenna have a northern accent? She is northern.
And I thought the child had a resemblance to Jenna.
I'm not clever, and rarely spot what's going to happen, but I did guess the outcome in this instance, mainly because of the point pickwick made; it's what Moff does. This is not a moan, just an observation.
Will Clara remember this incident when she is grown up and meets the Doctor again? It seems not, so therefore differnt from the other two times this has happened.
I don't care about whether it's been done before or not. At the end of the day, it's a prequel that'll only be seen by a fraction of DW's viewership, and I thought it was a sweet and entertaining one at that.
The prequel was brilliant. Sweet. Funny. A little sad. And Matt was amazing. We are so used to seeing him bounding about limbs flailing but when he does the quieter stuff he is so good at it. And I love the way he acts with his entire body. A proper performance. The bit when he looked down and kicked his feet against the floor, all that stuff so good.
Oh but I see we aren't allowed to like it because it had a swing and a kid in it. Shocking news! Popular writer with strongly defined themes dares to use vaguely similar visual motifs. Fire him!
The prequel was brilliant. Sweet. Funny. A little sad. And Matt was amazing. We are so used to seeing him bounding about limbs flailing but when he does the quieter stuff he is so good at it. And I love the way he acts with his entire body. A proper performance. The bit when he looked down and kicked his feet against the floor, all that stuff so good.
Oh but I see we aren't allowed to like it because it had a swing and a kid in it. Shocking news! Popular writer with strongly defined themes dares to use vaguely similar visual motifs. Fire him!
Agree about Matt, but who says you're not allowed to like it?
Are we not allowed to point out Moff's done similar things before? Not everything that doesn't sing Moff's praises is Moffat bashing.
Agree about Matt, but who says you're not allowed to like it?
Are we not allowed to point out Moff's done similar things before? Not everything that doesn't sing Moff's praises is Moffat bashing.
That post from our Dickensian friend seemed like it to me. I suppose it depends how you want to view it, positively or negatively. I think a writer or amy other artist having certain themes or motifs they like to return to shows a strong sense of an individual voice. Everyone does it. Of course you could choose to cast it negatively if you wish as Pickwick did. I am sure when Pet Sounds came out there were some people waving their fists going 'bah! Those bloody beach boys and their bloody harmonies again!'.
For me that isn't Moffat running out of ideas. Its deliberate. And obviously a sly nod or bridge between Pond and Clara.
To all you "oh so clever" people saying it was obvious. I'm clever and I DIDNT see that coming. So there...:p . (Im convinced that even if you clever boys and girls were ever surprised you'd still moan about it and SAY you saw any twist coming)
Well I saw it coming, and also thought it was a bit of a repetition of little Amelia. Still thoroughly enjoyed it, and thought it was a sweet gag. Nothing wrong with re-using ideas now and then, especially good ones.
Well I saw it coming, and also thought it was a bit of a repetition of little Amelia. Still thoroughly enjoyed it, and thought it was a sweet gag. Nothing wrong with re-using ideas now and then, especially good ones.
Agreed. If this theme was reused within the main programme, I would be disappointed, but I'm glad it was used for a 'prequel' instead. That way, Moffat gets to tell a small (if familiar) anecdote without risking criticism toward his main work.
That post from our Dickensian friend seemed like it to me. I suppose it depends how you want to view it, positively or negatively. I think a writer or amy other artist having certain themes or motifs they like to return to shows a strong sense of an individual voice. Everyone does it. Of course you could choose to cast it negatively if you wish as Pickwick did. I am sure when Pet Sounds came out there were some people waving their fists going 'bah! Those bloody beach boys and their bloody harmonies again!'.
For me that isn't Moffat running out of ideas. Its deliberate. And obviously a sly nod or bridge between Pond and Clara.
I think you are fully entitled to your opinion but my opinion is that this is all now rather samey.
It means it's very hard to be surprised..most people knew, because that's what Moff does..that that was Clara on the swing. Takes some of the fun away.
Jenna is northern, yes. Clara (in her guises so far and going by the preview clips) doesn't seem to be.
But I guess people's accents can change. Mine certainly has.
As for the resemblance, I can't agree... but until we see a picture of tiny Jenna we'll never know.
However if I went searching for one I know I'll just get into trouble
Clara (in the clip)'s mother seemed to have a southern, or at least non-northern accent.
And surely the Doctor would be wandering round London looking for Clara, as that's where he saw her last. He wouldn't take a trip up north to look for her (unless he was indulging in a bit of Lucie nostalgia and called in at Blackpool).
So young Clara maybe had lived up north, then they moved down to London, where her mother originally came from. Thus as she grew up she would lose her accent.
I just thought the little girl was dark haired and pretty, like Jenna, so had a resemblance.:)
It means it's very hard to be surprised..most people knew, because that's what Moff does..that that was Clara on the swing. Takes some of the fun away.
I admit I didn't expect it, but for the same reason - the Moff has done that before, with Madame du Pompadour, Amy, River and (off-screen) that woman on that planet...forgotten their names...
"He wouldn't do that again so soon, would he?"
"Oh, he has...well, okay!"
Steven Moffat is a very good writer and should be supported with where he is going with the Clara character. If there are some similarities, there must be reasons for it, that will make more sense further in to the series. That is just my opinion, maybe it should have gone in the other thread but that's another place and I quite like it here.:D
Agreed. If this theme was reused within the main programme, I would be disappointed, but I'm glad it was used for a 'prequel' instead. That way, Moffat gets to tell a small (if familiar) anecdote without risking criticism toward his main work.
I don't think I would necessarily mind if it turned up in the main show, unless it became a major plot point. It probably then would become a little too much, a little too soon. But otherwise: yes, agreed.
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Oh look, a minority is forming, whatever shall we dooooo?:rolleyes:
Oi. Entitled to my opinion, thank you very much. :rolleyes: right back at you.
Just nineteen posts and you've sussed out some of the people on here already
I did laugh at this. Alot, thankyou.
Doesn't Jenna have a northern accent? She is northern.
And I thought the child had a resemblance to Jenna.
I'm not clever, and rarely spot what's going to happen, but I did guess the outcome in this instance, mainly because of the point pickwick made; it's what Moff does. This is not a moan, just an observation.
Will Clara remember this incident when she is grown up and meets the Doctor again? It seems not, so therefore differnt from the other two times this has happened.
Nice little prologue, anyway.:)
Oh but I see we aren't allowed to like it because it had a swing and a kid in it. Shocking news! Popular writer with strongly defined themes dares to use vaguely similar visual motifs. Fire him!
Agree about Matt, but who says you're not allowed to like it?
Are we not allowed to point out Moff's done similar things before? Not everything that doesn't sing Moff's praises is Moffat bashing.
That post from our Dickensian friend seemed like it to me. I suppose it depends how you want to view it, positively or negatively. I think a writer or amy other artist having certain themes or motifs they like to return to shows a strong sense of an individual voice. Everyone does it. Of course you could choose to cast it negatively if you wish as Pickwick did. I am sure when Pet Sounds came out there were some people waving their fists going 'bah! Those bloody beach boys and their bloody harmonies again!'.
For me that isn't Moffat running out of ideas. Its deliberate. And obviously a sly nod or bridge between Pond and Clara.
Jenna is northern, yes. Clara (in her guises so far and going by the preview clips) doesn't seem to be.
But I guess people's accents can change. Mine certainly has.
As for the resemblance, I can't agree... but until we see a picture of tiny Jenna we'll never know.
However if I went searching for one I know I'll just get into trouble
Well I saw it coming, and also thought it was a bit of a repetition of little Amelia. Still thoroughly enjoyed it, and thought it was a sweet gag. Nothing wrong with re-using ideas now and then, especially good ones.
Agreed. If this theme was reused within the main programme, I would be disappointed, but I'm glad it was used for a 'prequel' instead. That way, Moffat gets to tell a small (if familiar) anecdote without risking criticism toward his main work.
I think you are fully entitled to your opinion but my opinion is that this is all now rather samey.
It means it's very hard to be surprised..most people knew, because that's what Moff does..that that was Clara on the swing. Takes some of the fun away.
I'm not so sure, what if it's her twin pretending to be Clara.:D
Clara (in the clip)'s mother seemed to have a southern, or at least non-northern accent.
And surely the Doctor would be wandering round London looking for Clara, as that's where he saw her last. He wouldn't take a trip up north to look for her (unless he was indulging in a bit of Lucie nostalgia and called in at Blackpool).
So young Clara maybe had lived up north, then they moved down to London, where her mother originally came from. Thus as she grew up she would lose her accent.
I just thought the little girl was dark haired and pretty, like Jenna, so had a resemblance.:)
I admit I didn't expect it, but for the same reason - the Moff has done that before, with Madame du Pompadour, Amy, River and (off-screen) that woman on that planet...forgotten their names...
"He wouldn't do that again so soon, would he?"
"Oh, he has...well, okay!"
I don't think I would necessarily mind if it turned up in the main show, unless it became a major plot point. It probably then would become a little too much, a little too soon. But otherwise: yes, agreed.