When we were kids we ate what was put in front of us and were grateful. Picky eaters should be put in the stocks, that'll learn them
no one ever should be made to eat and drink stuff they do not like I would say in fact it's against the human rights.We all have the right to only eat the food and drink the drink drink we like.
no one ever should be made to eat and drink stuff they do not like I would say in fact it's against the human rights.We all have the right to only eat the food and drink the drink drink we like.
Teachers should liaise with parents about absence from school, or any other issue, rather than interpreting government guidelines in the most repressive way.
The guidelines leave little space for interpretation. Head teachers are told they can only grant absence in exceptional circumstances. They're also told that family holidays are not exceptional circumstances. Yes the head teacher is at liberty to grant a family holiday if they wish but when OFSTED turn up they'll want to know why. Even more so if the school's average attendance is below 95%. A head teacher isn't going to risk it.
it all depends on what the kid did at school if parents will back them up or the teacher up when I was at school this horrible bitch of a teacher told me to eat food I did not like and I got in trouble for it as I did not eat it all,I told my parents and they backed me up and had a go at the teacher as I said she has no right to make me eat food I did not like.
Indeed.
I had a awful teacher at primary once who told me off whenever I accidentally did a exercise wrong designed to help me with my autism (I had to do it during a time devoted to reading where you were split into groups based on your reading ability and had to wait for your group's turn to go and sit round the teacher). My parents backed me up in this scenario and at home we would refer to her as 'Cruella De Ville'.
That's very easy to say but it should be in the parents' best interest to make sure the kid/s get the education he, she or they need and the only way to ensure that is by parents' not booking holidays during term time (which is obviously why they've become more strict about it).
Just to clarify, I don't believe its down to the head if the parents will get fined. The school will mark the child down as absent (sick or not, there is no difference on the register), that data will be sent to LEA who will make the decision.
This issue comes up every year about now and people still complain. You'd think by now parents would know if they take kids out of school during term time, you will be fined. It's been happening for years now, it's hard to miss the news headlines.
There does seem to be a few issues with the OP mind.
1. "travel agent advised us to book the holidays asap", holy moly, a business trying to convince you to buy something? shocking
2. "We do know that it is difficult to get reservations for late October". I doubt it. You can get flights anywhere anytime and get accommodation just as easy especially in a place like India.
3. "receptionist said there shouldn't be much of a problem with getting time off school". Well 'shouldn't be' and 'there will be no problem' are 2 different things. If it was me, I'd definitely ask to speak to the head teacher since it will ultimately be his decision not some woman on a reception desk. Ideally, handing in the holiday forms to the School and getting the ok BEFORE paying for the holiday would have been better.
Travel agencies are there to make money and virtually all the time, charge you quite a bit more than what the flights/hotels cost had you booked them on your own + most folk go with paying off Holidays a bit at a time when going with an Agency.
All the above to one side, people saying don't tell the school you're going and come back the week after, how will they know?. The fact your children have turned a much darker shade of brown + telling all their friends about their holiday won't be a give away.
Not to mention, your 2weeks may last a little longer if you got back on a Saturday for example. I'm sure the kids will be pretty tired from all the flying and running around the past 2weeks, probably not the best idea to throw them back into School the day after getting back.
I suppose if you're set on going then you'll have to just pay the fine but if it is £600 as people are saying then it may have been cheaper going during the Summer holidays when they have what feels like half the year off . Unfortunately I doubt appealing will do you any good as the the Government will pretty much have a go at the Head master if he lets your children off on Holiday for a week.
In order for schools to operate and educate our children there has to be authority, rules and discipline. You seem to be suggesting that our children should be encouraged by their parents to actively disrespect teachers.
Parents should try their best to teach their kids to respect those who treat them well - to respond to goodwill in kind, rather than to serve autocracies that fail them without the right to complain.
Authoritarianism was formerly groundwork for a life in factories and so on, but Britain's changed irrevocably.
Schools are trying to wield too much power nowadays.
I think you'll find it's a government directive.schools don't make up the rules but have to follow them like everyone else. . schools
get told what to do by the department of education.new fines brought in by gove.
I would just ring in sick and not bother appealing the decision as that will just bring attention to it. There's more to life than school.
Two potential issues with this. First, your kids WILL tell their mates they're going on holiday and those mates WILL tell the teachers (happens all the time!). Second, many schools require daily contact from parents not just 'so and so is sick and won't be in for a week'.
Parents should try their best to teach their kids to respect those who treat them well - to respond to goodwill in kind, rather than to serve autocracies that fail them without the right to complain.
Authoritarianism was formerly groundwork for a life in factories and so on, but Britain's changed irrevocably.
it is very frightening that some parents just wanna there kids to just respect and Obey authority without question, no one should respect and Obey and respect authority without question,as we all have the right question anything we want to including kids.
Parents should try their best to teach their kids to respect those who treat them well - to respond to goodwill in kind, rather than to serve autocracies that fail them without the right to complain.
Authoritarianism was formerly groundwork for a life in factories and so on, but Britain's changed irrevocably.
To be fair the vast majority of teachers go into teaching because they want to teach. Most children want to learn. For this to happen teachers need to exert authority and parents need to support that. Sadly in some cases children do not respect authority and this results in teachers being verbally and physically abused, even murdered!
To be fair the vast majority of teachers go into teaching because they want to teach. Most children want to learn. For this to happen teachers need to exert authority and parents need to support that. Sadly in some cases children do not respect authority and this results in teachers being verbally and physically abused, even murdered!
Respect has to be earned from anyone in authority,As respect is not automatic
Sadly in some cases children do not respect authority
Thousands of badly-behaved children affect others' ability to learn, absolutely, but authority isn't going to steer them around when - as you say - they don't respect it. It's always seemed to me that authority and fear work best on those undeserving of punishment, whereas those who run counter to it are hardy enough to render it futile.
We had a great support teacher at my school who taught practical skills to those of us who were struggling academically: gardening, bricklaying, soldering, DIY... But our head withdrew its funding (he preferred to spend loads on his foyer for parents' evenings), and said teacher retired in frustration. For trying to help us, he had the earned respect of some of the most troubled kids. There was mutual animosity between the head and us; we were bad for his image.
There are and have always been horrible teachers. There are and always have been horrible liitle gits of children. That's life. We are surrounded by many thousands of hateful specimins of humanity. Deal with it.
You should never take a child out of school for a holiday. However if you are going to take your child out of school for a holiday then just do it and don't ask for advice on here, be an adult and deal with it.
Yep, no sympathy here. There's plenty of school holidays throughout the year for you to choose a family holiday.
Plus a week off can have a surprising effect on progress in certain subjects. Especially if that week contains topics that need to be explained in detail, leading on to further difficulties picking up the next stage - while all the other pupils are heads-down, getting on with it easily due to attending like they should.
Bad, irresponsible parenting IMO. Don't care what anyone says or how you try to excuse it or explain the circumstances.
Yep, no sympathy here. There's plenty of school holidays throughout the year for you to choose a family holiday.
Plus a week off can have a surprising effect on progress in certain subjects. Especially if that week contains topics that need to be explained in detail, leading on to further difficulties picking up the next stage - while all the other pupils are heads-down, getting on with it easily due to attending like they should.
Bad, irresponsible parenting IMO. Don't care what anyone says or how you try to excuse it or explain the circumstances.
When me and my brother were kids our grandparents took us and our parents on holiday,
and my grandpa could not a get the time off work when schools were off.As he don't have any young kids so we had to have time off school or not to go on holiday that year.
I've read all the other comments and I'm a bit surprised that nobody's mentioned that if either you or your partner can not take leave from work any other time (including school holidays) due to shift patterns, staff numbers etc. all you need is a letter from your employer stating that you cannot take that leave any other time due to staffing levels etc. and the school should then grant it.
I agree with the other posters about schools over-stepping the mark but we mustn't forget that a lot of this comes from the Department for Education and the schools themselves aren't to blame.
What we can blame them for however, is things like:
Uniform: "You must wear jumpers from this supplier at this cost per jumper with the school logo on". Fine about a couple of sweatshirts but when you get what our boy's new High School is doing where they have to have branded Jumpers, Shirts, Polo Shirts, TROUSERS , Rugby Kit (which they'll only wear one or two lessons a week for about 6 weeks before it never gets used again) and strict regulations on hair cuts that are worse than the Army, you can see why parents are getting annoyed. Unless you're a parent to school age kids, or have been one recently, whilst you're welcome to comment you don't really have a place to as you don't know the sh&t these schools put parents through.
The boy's current school is one of those places that does the whole healthy eating thing and will happily nick a KitKat from a child's lunch box if they see it, but today they're laying on an ice-cream van for Sports Day!
Also instead of worrying about stuff like that they should take more care of kids with SEN rather than the moron in charge at the boy's school where they've labeled him "naughty" on his High-School transition letter even though he's got a clinical diagnosis for ASD (Asperger's) and they've had phone calls from his medical team and documentary evidence. Apparently this SEN co-ordinator doesn't believe in it, therefore the boy is "naughty" and treated as such with isolation rooms that are no smaller than a broom closet.
Schools need to be reminded they're there to educate our children not dictate to or parent them.
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I once had a parent interview when the mother said, ''I don't want wee .... to go to a Special School because that's where I went'.
Best I shut up now.
no one ever should be made to eat and drink stuff they do not like I would say in fact it's against the human rights.We all have the right to only eat the food and drink the drink drink we like.
I think he was joking.
The guidelines leave little space for interpretation. Head teachers are told they can only grant absence in exceptional circumstances. They're also told that family holidays are not exceptional circumstances. Yes the head teacher is at liberty to grant a family holiday if they wish but when OFSTED turn up they'll want to know why. Even more so if the school's average attendance is below 95%. A head teacher isn't going to risk it.
that is so true
Indeed.
I had a awful teacher at primary once who told me off whenever I accidentally did a exercise wrong designed to help me with my autism (I had to do it during a time devoted to reading where you were split into groups based on your reading ability and had to wait for your group's turn to go and sit round the teacher). My parents backed me up in this scenario and at home we would refer to her as 'Cruella De Ville'.
That's very easy to say but it should be in the parents' best interest to make sure the kid/s get the education he, she or they need and the only way to ensure that is by parents' not booking holidays during term time (which is obviously why they've become more strict about it).
There does seem to be a few issues with the OP mind.
1. "travel agent advised us to book the holidays asap", holy moly, a business trying to convince you to buy something? shocking
2. "We do know that it is difficult to get reservations for late October". I doubt it. You can get flights anywhere anytime and get accommodation just as easy especially in a place like India.
3. "receptionist said there shouldn't be much of a problem with getting time off school". Well 'shouldn't be' and 'there will be no problem' are 2 different things. If it was me, I'd definitely ask to speak to the head teacher since it will ultimately be his decision not some woman on a reception desk. Ideally, handing in the holiday forms to the School and getting the ok BEFORE paying for the holiday would have been better.
Travel agencies are there to make money and virtually all the time, charge you quite a bit more than what the flights/hotels cost had you booked them on your own + most folk go with paying off Holidays a bit at a time when going with an Agency.
All the above to one side, people saying don't tell the school you're going and come back the week after, how will they know?. The fact your children have turned a much darker shade of brown + telling all their friends about their holiday won't be a give away.
Not to mention, your 2weeks may last a little longer if you got back on a Saturday for example. I'm sure the kids will be pretty tired from all the flying and running around the past 2weeks, probably not the best idea to throw them back into School the day after getting back.
I suppose if you're set on going then you'll have to just pay the fine but if it is £600 as people are saying then it may have been cheaper going during the Summer holidays when they have what feels like half the year off . Unfortunately I doubt appealing will do you any good as the the Government will pretty much have a go at the Head master if he lets your children off on Holiday for a week.
also attendance in general - not just your kids, but as a percentage - affects ofstead ratings. that could be why
on primary mainstream my son kept faking illness and getting sent home and his attendance was always borderline
in secondary special school for 2 years its been 100 per cent so far.
Parents should try their best to teach their kids to respect those who treat them well - to respond to goodwill in kind, rather than to serve autocracies that fail them without the right to complain.
Authoritarianism was formerly groundwork for a life in factories and so on, but Britain's changed irrevocably.
I think you'll find it's a government directive.schools don't make up the rules but have to follow them like everyone else. . schools
get told what to do by the department of education.new fines brought in by gove.
Two potential issues with this. First, your kids WILL tell their mates they're going on holiday and those mates WILL tell the teachers (happens all the time!). Second, many schools require daily contact from parents not just 'so and so is sick and won't be in for a week'.
it is very frightening that some parents just wanna there kids to just respect and Obey authority without question, no one should respect and Obey and respect authority without question,as we all have the right question anything we want to including kids.
or do we just want a nation of Borg drones>:(
To be fair the vast majority of teachers go into teaching because they want to teach. Most children want to learn. For this to happen teachers need to exert authority and parents need to support that. Sadly in some cases children do not respect authority and this results in teachers being verbally and physically abused, even murdered!
Respect has to be earned from anyone in authority,As respect is not automatic
We had a great support teacher at my school who taught practical skills to those of us who were struggling academically: gardening, bricklaying, soldering, DIY... But our head withdrew its funding (he preferred to spend loads on his foyer for parents' evenings), and said teacher retired in frustration. For trying to help us, he had the earned respect of some of the most troubled kids. There was mutual animosity between the head and us; we were bad for his image.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33094807
You should never take a child out of school for a holiday. However if you are going to take your child out of school for a holiday then just do it and don't ask for advice on here, be an adult and deal with it.
Plus a week off can have a surprising effect on progress in certain subjects. Especially if that week contains topics that need to be explained in detail, leading on to further difficulties picking up the next stage - while all the other pupils are heads-down, getting on with it easily due to attending like they should.
Bad, irresponsible parenting IMO. Don't care what anyone says or how you try to excuse it or explain the circumstances.
When me and my brother were kids our grandparents took us and our parents on holiday,
and my grandpa could not a get the time off work when schools were off.As he don't have any young kids so we had to have time off school or not to go on holiday that year.
I agree with the other posters about schools over-stepping the mark but we mustn't forget that a lot of this comes from the Department for Education and the schools themselves aren't to blame.
What we can blame them for however, is things like:
Uniform: "You must wear jumpers from this supplier at this cost per jumper with the school logo on". Fine about a couple of sweatshirts but when you get what our boy's new High School is doing where they have to have branded Jumpers, Shirts, Polo Shirts, TROUSERS , Rugby Kit (which they'll only wear one or two lessons a week for about 6 weeks before it never gets used again) and strict regulations on hair cuts that are worse than the Army, you can see why parents are getting annoyed. Unless you're a parent to school age kids, or have been one recently, whilst you're welcome to comment you don't really have a place to as you don't know the sh&t these schools put parents through.
The boy's current school is one of those places that does the whole healthy eating thing and will happily nick a KitKat from a child's lunch box if they see it, but today they're laying on an ice-cream van for Sports Day!
Also instead of worrying about stuff like that they should take more care of kids with SEN rather than the moron in charge at the boy's school where they've labeled him "naughty" on his High-School transition letter even though he's got a clinical diagnosis for ASD (Asperger's) and they've had phone calls from his medical team and documentary evidence. Apparently this SEN co-ordinator doesn't believe in it, therefore the boy is "naughty" and treated as such with isolation rooms that are no smaller than a broom closet.
Schools need to be reminded they're there to educate our children not dictate to or parent them.