Why Wont There Be Riot Over The Immigration Cap??

MetalManMetalMan Posts: 939
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Why wont there be riot over the proposed immigration cap like the tuition fees today?

I personally hate this anti-multiculturist attitude the right wingers have in this country. If we could have thousands of people marching up and down the country over this I think we could really benefit.

Multiculturism is our greatest strength and many young people do not like this old outgrown attitude of 'stopping' other people from living here who wish to. I think we need to change this policy and maybe ease the attempted restrictions that this government is trying to do. Multurculturism will dry up otherwise!
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  • PoliticoRNPoliticoRN Posts: 5,519
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    Perhaps because the vast majority of normal people in this country realise that an immigration cap is not only desirable but also a necessity.

    The social experiment of multiculturalism has failed; its death throes will be uncomfortable and probably violent, but it will end, and as soon as it does this country can start to rebuild itself and be great again.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,186
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    For a start, immigration and multiculturalism aren't the same thing.
  • spoonfulofsensespoonfulofsense Posts: 2,666
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    MetalMan wrote: »
    Why wont there be riot over the proposed immigration cap like the tuition fees today?

    I personally hate this anti-multiculturist attitude the right wingers have in this country. If we could have thousands of people marching up and down the country over this I think we could really benefit.

    Multiculturism is our greatest strength and many young people do not like this old outgrown attitude of 'stopping' other people from living here who wish to. I think we need to change this policy and maybe ease the attempted restrictions that this government is trying to do. Multurculturism will dry up otherwise!

    The problem is the debate itself as most people think "muliculturism" = multi-races when it doesn't. The US for example have mulitraces but don't have mulitculturism to the extent we do.

    I have no problem with mulit-races (more than one race living in GB), multi-religionism, multi-skin-toneism or whatever..


    I do have an issue with multiculturism however, which in its puraity allows people to have any view and carry out practice so long as other people in their culture have done the same in the past.

    Personally I don't see the difference in Muslims promoting arranged marraiges because it's "tradition" and white people promoting an all white Britain for the same reason. Given that arranged marraiges ensure a 99% probabilty of two people of the same race and culture marrying I see this as racism hiding behind tradition. Both are illogical and unreasonable but one is acceptd whilst the other isn't.

    For example, by saying you support multiculrism you are not saying you agree with the notion that people of all races/religions can come here but that you agree with that AND that those peoples can hold legitimately homophobic, sexist, racist and another immoral view so long as it's within their culture/history.

    Multiculturism is the reason why we put up with Muslims, Christians and Catholics saying gay people are doing evil.

    Multiculturism dictates that laughing at the notion of getting 72 virgins when you die is offensive, despite the fact it is a ridicoulous suggestion...

    Multiculterism is responsible for the killing of free thought and promotes the ideas of often archaic religious ideas.

    Again, I feel I must re-iterate...multiculterism and multi-racialism are two serperate things. I have no problem with people of any religion or skin tone coming here; but I do not expect them to expect us to shit our laws and moral views if they want to indulge in something that doesn't fi t with our modern moral code.
  • psionicpsionic Posts: 20,188
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    MetalMan wrote: »
    Why wont there be riot over the proposed immigration cap like the tuition fees today?

    I personally hate this anti-multiculturist attitude the right wingers have in this country. If we could have thousands of people marching up and down the country over this I think we could really benefit.

    Multiculturism is our greatest strength and many young people do not like this old outgrown attitude of 'stopping' other people from living here who wish to. I think we need to change this policy and maybe ease the attempted restrictions that this government is trying to do. Multurculturism will dry up otherwise!
    The caps are for legal economic migrants from outside the EU as I understand it. It won't stop altogether. Economically we are cutting everything back right now. Many jobs will be lost, housing is overpriced and in short supply etc etc. Seems sensible to put some limits on the number of people entering the country looking for work at the present time rather then have an unlimited open door policy. Most countries have immigration limits and quotas anyway.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,207
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    Why do you want to change the UK ? If you change it too much it will not be the UK anymore .
  • Pablo DiabloPablo Diablo Posts: 5,892
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    The cap is a ridiculous policy. The Lib Dem's regional system made far more sense.
  • paulbrockpaulbrock Posts: 16,632
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    Why do you want to change the UK ? If you change it too much it will not be the UK anymore .

    It may have changed once or twice since forming in 1707. It's still the UK.
  • spoonfulofsensespoonfulofsense Posts: 2,666
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    paulbrock wrote: »
    It may have changed once or twice since forming in 1707. It's still the UK.

    Like it or not, Britain becoming majority non-white would be a much bigger change than anything that happended herre since 1707....
  • jagged_deathjagged_death Posts: 8,652
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    MetalMan wrote: »
    Why wont there be riot over the proposed immigration cap like the tuition fees today?

    I personally hate this anti-multiculturist attitude the right wingers have in this country. If we could have thousands of people marching up and down the country over this I think we could really benefit.

    Multiculturism is our greatest strength and many young people do not like this old outgrown attitude of 'stopping' other people from living here who wish to. I think we need to change this policy and maybe ease the attempted restrictions that this government is trying to do. Multurculturism will dry up otherwise!

    Because most people don't feel it is of any great benefit to them to have alot of people let into the country to compete with them for jobs/housing/services etc and the "benefit" of a new curry shops opening up down the street isn't enough off set the issue of additional migration.

    You shall be pleased however to note that it seems that many "cultures" are being kept alive and this "multi-cultural" isn't drying up and is in fact become much more apparent as integration is the only thing that is drying up.
  • paulbrockpaulbrock Posts: 16,632
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    Like it or not, Britain becoming majority non-white would be a much bigger change than anything that happended herre since 1707....

    larger than the Industrial Revolution?

    the rise and fall of the British Empire?

    I find that hard to believe....
  • PoliticoRNPoliticoRN Posts: 5,519
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    For a start, immigration and multiculturalism aren't the same thing.

    Quite right.

    But the multicultural agenda of the last government is the main driving force behind that government's immigration policy; a policy that has done more harm than good in recent years.

    For the reasons spoonfulofsense has touched on multiculturalism is not, as the OP has claimed, our biggest strength. In fact in terms of social cohesion, freedom of speech, tolerance and the social and economic mobility of people from different ethno-cultural origins it is the biggest threat we face.

    While immigration and multiculturalism are indeed different they are also intrinsically linked, at the moment, in this country.
  • MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    MetalMan wrote: »
    Why wont there be riot over the proposed immigration cap like the tuition fees today?
    because most people support the idea of controlled immigration?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,186
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    I do have an issue with multiculturism however, which in its puraity allows people to have any view and carry out practice so long as other people in their culture have done the same in the past.

    No it doesn't. People are entitled to do anything they want within the law. If it is against the law, then it doesn't matter what their ancestral culture dictates, it would not be allowed.

    If you mean pure multicultualism with multi-personal laws for each group, then that is not a situation that exists in the UK, and so there is no issue to have with it.
    Personally I don't see the difference in Muslims promoting arranged marraiges because it's "tradition" and white people promoting an all white Britain for the same reason. Given that arranged marraiges ensure a 99% probabilty of two people of the same race and culture marrying I see this as racism hiding behind tradition. Both are illogical and unreasonable but one is acceptd whilst the other isn't.

    Absurd logic that can be applied to any same-race union.
    For example, by saying you support multiculrism you are not saying you agree with the notion that people of all races/religions can come here but that you agree with that AND that those peoples can hold legitimately homophobic, sexist, racist and another immoral view so long as it's within their culture/history.

    Multiculturism is the reason why we put up with Muslims, Christians and Catholics saying gay people are doing evil.

    Thought crime?

    And then:
    Multiculterism is responsible for the killing of free thought
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,186
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    PoliticoRN wrote: »
    Quite right.

    But the multicultural agenda of the last government is the main driving force behind that government's immigration policy; a policy that has done more harm than good in recent years.

    For the reasons spoonfulofsense has touched on multiculturalism is not, as the OP has claimed, our biggest strength. In fact in terms of social cohesion, freedom of speech, tolerance and the social and economic mobility of people from different ethno-cultural origins it is the biggest threat we face.

    Multiculturalism doesn't necessarily do any of those things. I would say that multiculturalism would make a country more tolerant of other cultures. It won't be perfect as within every group there'll be Little Englanders, Little Asianers, and Little Afro-Carribeaners etc etc.

    But if you took multiculturalism to an extreme then I'd probably agree it does more harm than good. I don't think such a situation exists though.
    While immigration and multiculturalism are indeed different they are also intrinsically linked, at the moment, in this country.

    Immigration probably just helps to keep multiculturalism going.
  • tingramretrotingramretro Posts: 10,974
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    PoliticoRN wrote: »
    Perhaps because the vast majority of normal people in this country realise that an immigration cap is not only desirable but also a necessity.

    The social experiment of multiculturalism has failed; its death throes will be uncomfortable and probably violent, but it will end, and as soon as it does this country can start to rebuild itself and be great again.
    My view exactly. I don't see any advantage to continuing to let an already overcrowded country be overrun, or to further breaking down our sense of unity.
    Why do you want to change the UK ? If you change it too much it will not be the UK anymore .

    I rather think that's what people like the OP want. They hate Britain and all it once stood for.
  • ClairebeeClairebee Posts: 746
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    The cap is a good thing and is needed.

    My dad came from Jamaica, he came over in the 60's, so I'm born from an immigrant.
    Immigration is a good thing on the whole because you get to meet people from different countries, but..........

    Britain needs the best immigrants, ones who wish to be a part of our society and contribute.

    Also this country is only so big and a cap is a very sensiable idea. Don't put a stop to it, just control it, a bit like Australia from what I hear.

    But does this cap only apply to non EU people?
    Can people from the EU come and go freely?
    If so that should change, but as were a part of the EU i guess the horse has bolted on that one!! :(

    BTW my sister in law to be is from Lithuania, she's lovely, so this is not about hating any forgeiners, it's about having common sense.:D
  • GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    Clairebee wrote: »
    The cap is a good thing and is needed.

    My dad came from Jamaica, he came over in the 60's, so I'm born from an immigrant.
    Immigration is a good thing on the whole because you get to meet people from different countries, but..........

    Britain needs the best immigrants, ones who wish to be a part of our society and contribute.

    Also this country is only so big and a cap is a very sensiable idea. Don't put a stop to it, just control it, a bit like Australia from what I hear.

    But does this cap only apply to non EU people?
    Can people from the EU come and go freely?
    If so that should change, but as were a part of the EU i guess the horse has bolted on that one!! :(

    BTW my sister in law to be is from Lithuania, she's lovely, so this is not about hating any forgeiners, it's about having common sense.:D

    What are the "best" immigrants? Presumably your father and sister-in-law fall in that category?

    What makes them the best in comparison to other people?
  • 5th Horseman5th Horseman Posts: 10,859
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    Who would protest? Illegal immigrants?

    It could save the immigration agency a lot of work finding them, kettle and mass deport, could save the country millions.
  • ClairebeeClairebee Posts: 746
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    What are the "best" immigrants? Presumably your father and sister-in-law fall in that category?

    What makes them the best in comparison to other people?

    Sorry I mean no criminal convictions, eg: rape, murder etc, that's what I mean.

    Also if you have some savingsto bring over with you to get you started, whilst setting.

    We got enough losers and lay abouts in this country, we don't want no more :D (I jest!)

    BTW you need to chill out little dude :D, it's just my view.

    I always get the feeling if you're not all for mass immagration, no holds barred you get labled a racist, which is so not true for many people who hold the same view as myself.
  • GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    Clairebee wrote: »
    Sorry I mean no criminal convictions, eg: rape, murder etc, that's what I mean.

    Also if you have some savingsto bring over with you to get you started, whilst setting.

    We got enough losers and lay abouts in this country, we don't want no more :D (I jest!)

    BTW you need to chill out little dude :D, it's just my view.
    I always get the feeling if you're not all for mass immagration, no holds barred you get labled a racist, which is so not true for many people who hold the same view as myself.

    I'm fine thanks - just wanted to know what constitutes in your view the "best" immigrants.

    I presume your father and sister-in-law had savings when they came here?
  • jagged_deathjagged_death Posts: 8,652
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    Well 50 years ago the economy was different and hence the need for labour was different, of course that "need" was short lived and over-estimated but unfortunatly there isn't much we can do about that now. We should however now only admit immigrants to the country who have the skills necessary to find employment and support themselves in a in-demand area of the economy. It goes without saying that adequate background checks should be complete to ensure they do not have any criminal past as well.I also believe that medical checks should be performed to ensure that migrant is in good health and is not just coming to claim medical treatment. Many countries do this and we should too, unfortunatly we have signed over control of a good part of our immigration policy.
  • trunkstertrunkster Posts: 14,468
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    I think the OP is taking the piss, and no one has realised it - yet:rolleyes:
  • jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,997
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    OP, your views are not the only ones out there and I would suggest a great many people think multi-cuturalism is not some great panacea and that immigration needs to be be properly controlled and restricted. As for rent-a-mob demonstrations who knows.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14
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    Answer to question -Britain cannot afford any more unemployment benefit and people coming here for all the freebies the previous government handed out willy nilly.
  • ricky77ricky77 Posts: 1,510
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    Answer to question -Britain cannot afford any more unemployment benefit and people coming here for all the freebies the previous government handed out willy nilly.

    No, we can't.

    But we DO need immigrants who wil create wealth, jobs, and contribute to the economy.

    Some sort of controlled immigration is required. Unfortunately, given the lack of intelligence of most UK, Daily Mail-reading folk these days, they don't seem to understand that.
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