Simon Cowell and his credibility
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I little bit of history for you:
X Factor 1 winner: Steve Brookstein - Dropped
X Factor 2 winner: Shayne Ward - Flopped, likely to be dropped.
X Factor 3 winner: Leona Lewis - Successful
X Factor 4 winner: Leon Jackson - Dropped
X Factor 5 winner: Alexandra Burke - Moderately successful, still rumoured to be in trouble though.
X Factor 6 winner: Joe McElderry - Flopped, likely to be dropped.
Sooner or later, if Cowell really wants this show to have any sort of credibility, then he really is have to stop the rote in regards to his treatment of winners.
I mean it's ridiculous. Furthermore I think this is the reason he is allegedly signing Rebecca, Cher and One Direction up. He is desperately hedging his bets in the hope that one of the acts from this year produce a successful (but rushed) album so he can hold them up as the shining example of what this show can produce when he "unveils" them on the US X Factor.
X Factor 1 winner: Steve Brookstein - Dropped
X Factor 2 winner: Shayne Ward - Flopped, likely to be dropped.
X Factor 3 winner: Leona Lewis - Successful
X Factor 4 winner: Leon Jackson - Dropped
X Factor 5 winner: Alexandra Burke - Moderately successful, still rumoured to be in trouble though.
X Factor 6 winner: Joe McElderry - Flopped, likely to be dropped.
Sooner or later, if Cowell really wants this show to have any sort of credibility, then he really is have to stop the rote in regards to his treatment of winners.
I mean it's ridiculous. Furthermore I think this is the reason he is allegedly signing Rebecca, Cher and One Direction up. He is desperately hedging his bets in the hope that one of the acts from this year produce a successful (but rushed) album so he can hold them up as the shining example of what this show can produce when he "unveils" them on the US X Factor.
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Mr Blobby
Zig and Zag
Robson and jerome.
All previous Cowell proteges.
The show is about TV entertainment, its judged on ratings , not on musical success.
My guess?
The show earned as much in advertising revenue last weekend as the entire catologue of winners has made for syco.(Although obviously, Cowell himself doesnt profit directly from the ad revenue, its how the show itself is valued- its broadcast income)
So long as they have some that show it can be done, then that's enough for the show.
Not quite achieved Leona Lewis status though has she? As for being in trouble, I don't she in any way deserves to be doing dropped as she's doing well, but Elton John seems to think she's in trouble for some reason.
I thought that was a bit of a bold statement too. Going back to the original point the OP was making, this program is not trying to be credible despite what Mr Cowel may have us believe. It is an entertainment program with all the manipulation and dishonesty that implies. This year had some very good artists - most of them had potential - but it in typical X Factor style it was squandered in the great name of entertainment.
She's Alexandra Burke, though. And has got nothing to do with Leona or her debut era...which Syco have failed to capitalise on, anyway. They are that incompetent.
Elton's comments were regarding Xfactor acts in general. He mentioned both Leona and Alex...saying that they were talented but relied entirely on who wrote them the next best song in order to "survive" in the business. As if he would be anywhere without Bernie Taupe :rolleyes:
Look at Idol too, Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Jennifer Hudson(who didn't even win), and Jordin Sparks did very well. All women. The men who did have moderate success after idol weren't even the winners! Clay Aiken, Daughtry, Adam Lambert didn't win but they're most memorable men.
Idk, I think female winners are easier to launch in the biz. Maybe i'm wrong.
Yes, we continued to watch it until the final (most people), but will as many be turning on next year? I certainly won't be - unless the show is re-hashed and the format is clearly laid out in advance for all to see. That is, if you vote, you know it's not going to be effectively cancelled by a sing-off and very dubious voting by the judges.
Why don't the BBC just do something similar instead? At least they seem all above-board.
I am surprised no one has mentioned the fiasco of PI2 when Simon's little project to get someone who did not look like a pop star to win. (Michelle McManus). Waterman was correct with his words at the end *It isn't about the music anymore* Michelle bombed within a year and Simon didn't want anything more to do with her.
The 2 runners up were also put together as a duo and signed and also flopped after their 2nd single. They didn't even have an album out.
Very true, I was actually thinking about that earlier on. I was trying to think of all the AI winners who went onto greater things and all I could think or were Clarkson, Underwood and to a lesser extent Sparks. Could not think of one male winner who succeeded.
But personally I think that's laziness on the part of the team who are tasked with making the winners successful. If they don't see instant $$$ then they put in a half assed effort at making someone successful.
I feel sorry for Louis in a way. He's been set up as a joke to Simon's 'credible music mogul' persona but in actual fact, he's a far more credible manager (although I must admit I've never been a fan of boyzone or westlife, you've gotta admit they are more credible then Simon's 'make a quick buck' acts of Zig & Zag or Robson and Jerome...)
Yeah, and thats where Eltons comments ring true I guess. The singers have to depend on the team that creates the music for them and the team seems to make more of an effort for a woman than a man.
I mean..you never know, Matt might do well but I still think people should stop voting for men. Its sort of pointless. The only successful men in the industry I can think of are the ones that write and create their own music. The formula shows it doesn't work. It shows the most successful contestants are pretty girls in their early twenties. They are more marketable and so the team gets excited and puts in more effort.
Simple reason- boys/men win this show (bar steve) because girls vote for them based on looks- not on talent (whether they have talent or not doesnt matter, as it comes secondary for most of thier fans during the show). So after the show their looks dont get them anywhere with out good songs and standout talent, guys like this are two a penny in the business. And their girl fanbase move on to the next cute guy.
The girls who win are voted for by girls and guys, who appreciate unique talent. They have something will make them standout in the market.
Matt is better than previous guys that have won the show, but it remains to be seen whether he will get the right songs under cowel- and whether his fanbase will stand by him.