Arithmetic

James_MayJames_May Posts: 606
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I was quite surprised at how many people didn't score a perfect 10 on the linked test yesterday. That was pretty basic, the kind of questions geared towards 9 year olds.

It got me wondering how well some of you would fare if pitted against a 9 year old sitting a SATs test, so here are a few sample questions. How many can you answer?

1) Chen is thinking of three numbers, he says "the range is 5, and the mode is 2". What are his three numbers?

2) 2n is greater than 30, 5n is less than 100. Write down all the values for n.

3) 2 3/4 + 3 1/2 = ?

4) 1 1/4 + ? = 2 3/4

5) Chen and Meg by a sandwich, Chen gets 5p change from £2 and Meg gets £2.25 change from £5. How much more di Meg spend than Chen?

6) The number A is twice the number D. The number B is 5 less than C. The number D is 10 more than the number B. What are the missing values?

A) 50 B) ? C) ? D) ?

7) 200 children went on holiday. 10% went to Wales, 25% went to Scotland. How many more children went to Scotland than went to Wales?

8) Alfie has two sticks. When he puts them end to end, they measure 80cm in length. If one stick is 10cm longer than the other, how long are the two sticks?

9) Amy thought of a number. She added 0.5 to her number and doubled the result. She subtracted 0.5 and doubled the new result. Her final answer was 61. What number did Amy start with?

For the following questions, I will give you something aimed at GCSE level.

If ax + bx + c = 0 then x = -b +/- √(b^2 - 4ac) / 2a

Using this quadratic formula, solve x for the following:

x^2 -2x -8 = 0

x^2 -5x = -6x

x^2 = 2x

11) C is proportional to p and C = 16 when p = 5. Find the equation connecting C and p.

Find C when p = 8

12) A car uses 40 litres of petrol in travelling 280 miles. How much will be used on a journey of 84 miles?

13) I think of a number. I multiply it by 3, then subtract 5. The answer is 3. Using 'a' to represent the number;
Write an equation to show this information;
Solve the equation to find a

14) £1200 is invested for 4 years at 10% compound interest per annum. Find the total in the account at the end of this period.

Answers on a postcard, folks.
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  • deans6571deans6571 Posts: 6,137
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    .....42?
  • itscoldoutsideitscoldoutside Posts: 3,190
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    The problem is I could do all this when in school, the exam is full of it. The algebra was the worst, I could never see the point and only learnt it so I could get a pass. Once I had the pass I forgot all about it.

    I could do it now, apart from the algebra, but I really have to think.
  • DangermooseDangermoose Posts: 67,720
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    My head hurts!
  • zedzzedz Posts: 228
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    Just had a look at some sample year 6 SAT tests (10 - 11 year olds), they don't look as hard as the samples above.

    http://resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/maths/sats/sampmath.html

    http://resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/maths/sats/calculators.html (with calculators)
  • James_MayJames_May Posts: 606
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    The problem is I could do all this when in school, the exam is full of it. The algebra was the worst, I could never see the point and only learnt it so I could get a pass. Once I had the pass I forgot all about it.

    I could do it now, apart from the algebra, but I really have to think.

    Algebra is really important in everyday life, I don't understand people who say they don't see the point. It allows you to create a set of rules, a formula, that will give you an answer when there are variables. For instance, most nurses will be familiar with the NHS formula for calculating a drug dose and nurses have to use algebra on a daily basis in order to calculate correct doses.
  • itscoldoutsideitscoldoutside Posts: 3,190
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    James_May wrote: »
    Algebra is really important in everyday life, I don't understand people who say they don't see the point. It allows you to create a set of rules, a formula, that will give you an answer when there are variables. For instance, most nurses will be familiar with the NHS formula for calculating a drug dose and nurses have to use algebra on a daily basis in order to calculate correct doses.

    Do they not have computers to do that? where did you find that information, are you a nurse?

    I have never seen it being used in general everyday life. And that is what my teachers used to say.:D
  • James_MayJames_May Posts: 606
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    Do they not have computers to do that? where did you find that information, are you a nurse?

    I have never seen it being used in general everyday life. And that is what my teachers used to say.:D

    You mean a calculator, haha. Yes, some nurses do, most use mental arithmetic and it has to be cross checked and verified by a second nurse. But the point is, without knowing the formula, the calculator is useless as you need to know how to manipulate the terms and plug in the values.

    No, I am a student nurse on deferment.
  • TheSilentFezTheSilentFez Posts: 11,103
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    You can do this one once you've done all the rest: http://prntscr.com/6j27d8
    Do they not have computers to do that? where did you find that information, are you a nurse?

    I have never seen it being used in general everyday life. And that is what my teachers used to say.:D

    As a Chemistry student, I do an awful lot of maths, most of which is calculus.
    Algebra is extremely important to science. Without a rigorous mathematical framework, much of the physical sciences are useless.
    There are few things more important than calculus, IMO.

    I'd use a calculator to do the basic sort of arithmetic we're taught in Primary school (adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing, finding square roots etc.), but calculators are only tools to help you do arithmetic more quickly. They can't actually do calculations for you unless you buy specialised computer software.
  • itscoldoutsideitscoldoutside Posts: 3,190
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    James_May wrote: »
    You mean a calculator, haha. Yes, some nurses do, most use mental arithmetic and it has to be cross checked and verified by a second nurse. But the point is, without knowing the formula, the calculator is useless as you need to know how to manipulate the terms and plug in the values.

    No, I am a student nurse on deferment.

    I only say because when I was in hospital, they just seemed to tap on the computer and dished out the pills/drip.
  • tealadytealady Posts: 26,264
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    James_May wrote: »
    12) A car uses 40 litres of petrol in travelling 280 miles. How much will be used on a journey of 84 miles?
    Interesting mix of units.
  • cnbcwatchercnbcwatcher Posts: 56,681
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    I could do all these things when I was at school and I wasn't too bad (even the algebra wasn't too difficult once I got the hang of it), even though I'm generally mathematically inept, as long as I had a calculator and pen and paper. I can't do mental arithmetic at all.
  • Old EndeavourOld Endeavour Posts: 9,852
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    tealady wrote: »
    Interesting mix of units.

    And what is the cost in shillings and pence. :D
  • spiney2spiney2 Posts: 27,058
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    .... most people were fine wilh lsd (pounds, shillings, pence), those predictions that decimal currency would cause dire problems were correct ......
  • spiney2spiney2 Posts: 27,058
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    .... most of us were quite happy doing all calculations in hectares, abd those who couldn't became pe teachers so everone felt sorry for them ......
  • Old EndeavourOld Endeavour Posts: 9,852
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    spiney2 wrote: »
    .... most of us were quite happy doing all calculations in hectares, abd those who couldn't became pe teachers so everone felt sorry for them ......


    The standard unit of measurement now is 'The Football Field'

    They use it in every factual TV programme: "This is the size of 10 Football Fields" - "You could get 4 Football Fields in here"
  • coughthecatcoughthecat Posts: 6,876
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    The standard unit of measurement now is 'The Football Field'

    They use it in every factual TV programme: "This is the size of 10 Football Fields" - "You could get 4 Football Fields in here"

    So true ... but a smaller standard unit of length is the "double-decker bus", and the unit of area for large land-masses is "Wales".
  • FlufanFlufan Posts: 2,544
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    tealady wrote: »
    Interesting mix of units.

    Eh? We buy petrol by the litre and measure our car journeys in miles... :confused:

    Anyway, to answer the OP's question: all of them.

    And if he didn't mean it literally:

    1. 2, 2, 7
    2. Can't be done, short of: 15<n<20. Unless you meant to specify that n is an integer, in which case: 16, 17, 18, 19
    3. 6 1/4
    4. 1 1/2
    5. 80p
    6. B=15, C=20, D=25
    7. 30
    8. 35cm & 45cm
    9. 15
    10. -2, 4; -1, 0; 0, 2 (but I didn't bother with the formula for any of them :) ).
    11. C=16p/5; 128/5 or 25 3/5
    12. 12 litres
    13. 3a - 5 = 3; a = 8/3
    14. £1756.92

    TheSilentFez's question is much more interesting... :D
  • James_MayJames_May Posts: 606
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    Flufan wrote: »
    Eh? We buy petrol by the litre and measure our car journeys in miles... :confused:

    Anyway, to answer the OP's question: all of them.

    And if he didn't mean it literally:

    1. 2, 2, 7
    2. Can't be done, short of: 15<n<20. Unless you meant to specify that n is an integer, in which case: 16, 17, 18, 19
    3. 6 1/4
    4. 1 1/2
    5. 80p
    6. B=15, C=20, D=25
    7. 30
    8. 35cm & 45cm
    9. 15
    10. -2, 4; -1, 0; 0, 2 (but I didn't bother with the formula for any of them :) ).
    11. C=16p/5; 128/5 or 25 3/5
    12. 12 litres
    13. 3a - 5 = 3; a = 8/3
    14. £1756.92

    TheSilentFez's question is much more interesting... :D

    Yes, n is an integer. And you grouped terms and factorised for the quadratics? I should have given an example that can't be factorised, lol.

    My point is that this is all pretty basic stuff that should be familiar with everyone who completed high school. And I did stipulate arithmetic, not calculus. I don't expect anyone to solve complex integrals with a GCSE or equivalent. But you're right, it is the more interesting question, can you solve it?
  • James_MayJames_May Posts: 606
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    I only say because when I was in hospital, they just seemed to tap on the computer and dished out the pills/drip.

    That computer was your drugs chart so they know what you've been prescribed by the doctor.

    Let's say you've been prescribed 5 mg of a drug. Said drug comes in a suspension that contains 10 mg in 200 mls. How much of that drug should I give you? (Answer is obvious, it's not what I'm asking)

    Let's say that you've been prescribed another drug. The recommendation for this drug is 500mcg/kg and you weigh 60kg, how does the nurse know what to give?

    This is elementary arithmetic.
  • bart4858bart4858 Posts: 11,430
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    James_May wrote: »
    1) Chen is thinking of three numbers, he says "the range is 5, and the mode is 2". What are his three numbers?
    Don't understand what range and mode mean.

    2) 2n is greater than 30, 5n is less than 100. Write down all the values for n.
    16,17,18,19?

    3) 2 3/4 + 3 1/2 = ?
    6 1/4

    4) 1 1/4 + ? = 2 3/4
    1 1/2

    5) Chen and Meg by a sandwich,
    80p ('by'?)

    6) A) 50 B)
    15 C) 20 D) 25

    7) 200 children went on holiday.
    30

    8) Alfie has two sticks. When he puts them end to end, they measure 80cm in length. If one stick is 10cm longer than the other, how long are the two sticks? Ah, the bat and ball question! 40cm +/- 5cm.

    9) Amy thought of a number.
    15

    11) C is proportional to p and C = 16 when p = 5. Find the equation connecting C and p. If no offset involved then C = 3.2p
    Find C when p = 8 25.6

    12) A car uses 40 litres of petrol in travelling 280 miles. How much will be used on a journey of 84 miles?
    12 litres

    13) I think of a number. I multiply it by 3, then subtract 5. The answer is 3. Using 'a' to represent the number;
    3a-5=3
    Solve the equation to find a 2 2/3

    14) £1200 is invested for 4 years at 10% compound interest per annum. Find the total in the account at the end of this period.
    £1756.92

    Just breezed through them without trying too hard. They're mostly easy enough (even if I made mistakes, I'm not sitting an exam!). But the first lot look tough for nine-year olds, especially (1).
  • CRTHDCRTHD Posts: 7,602
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    The problem is I could do all this when in school, the exam is full of it. The algebra was the worst, I could never see the point and only learnt it so I could get a pass. Once I had the pass I forgot all about it.

    I could do it now, apart from the algebra, but I really have to think.

    I could never see the point either. Other than x, /, or - (using a calculator) I have never used any of it since.

    Trig & slide-rules ffs - what was all that about!:D
  • James_MayJames_May Posts: 606
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    Replace 'by' with 'buy' or 'purchase' or any other synonym of your choice. Autocorrect, my friend. Don't miss the point and pull a cultureman on me. :D
  • James_MayJames_May Posts: 606
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    CRTHD wrote: »
    I could never see the point either. Other than x, /, or - (using a calculator) I have never used any of it since.

    Trig & slide-rules ffs - what was all that about!:D

    What would your longitude and latitude be without trig? How do you suppose a GPS triangulates your location? What is a map without mathematics? (Going by your user information)

    As stated, maths is the lingua franca of science and it governs pretty much everything you do from driving a car to using a computer. How can you not observe this simple fact?
  • FlufanFlufan Posts: 2,544
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    James_May wrote: »
    Replace 'by' with 'buy' or 'purchase' or any other synonym of your choice. Autocorrect, my friend. Don't miss the point and pull a cultureman on me. :D

    We'd best not mention the missing "^2" on the left-hand side of the quadratic formula in the unnumbered Q10, then :p.
    James_May wrote: »
    But you're right, it is the more interesting question, can you solve it?

    Yes, but this margin is too small to contain my workings... :D
  • archiverarchiver Posts: 13,011
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    I put the same as bart4858, but I had a guess at 1) and put 1,3,5 (seemed to make sense)

    Had no idea about 9 or 13.
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