Why do GP's so often mess up?

Vodka_DrinkaVodka_Drinka Posts: 28,753
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I've just read this story on the mail website:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2269605/Maddy-Pratt-Hooson-Grandmother-saw-GP-twice-week-6-MONTHS-dies-cancer-told-worry.html#addComment

I'd love to say that this is an isolated case but I personally know of many people who's GP's repeatedly missed signs of cancer and now they are dead because of it. It happened to my uncle, my neighbour, my Mums friend, a work colleagues dad. And just look at the comments underneath!

Why do they have all these adverts on the TV and Radio telling people to look out for signs of cancer, and yet when people do just that their GPs don't listen to them? It's so frightening. Even I know that constipation can be a symptom of bowel cancer! I'm stunned that it wasn't investigated sooner for this woman, especially given her age.

It doesn't give you much faith in the medial profession.
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  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    I've just read this story on the mail website:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2269605/Maddy-Pratt-Hooson-Grandmother-saw-GP-twice-week-6-MONTHS-dies-cancer-told-worry.html#addComment

    I'd love to say that this is an isolated case but I personally know of many people who's GP's repeatedly missed signs of cancer and now they are dead because of it. It happened to my uncle, my neighbour, my Mums friend, a work colleagues dad. And just look at the comments underneath!

    Why do they have all these adverts on the TV and Radio telling people to look out for signs of cancer, and yet when people do just that their GPs don't listen to them? It's so frightening. Even I know that constipation can be a symptom of bowel cancer! I'm stunned that it wasn't investigated sooner for this woman, especially given her age.

    It doesn't give you much faith in the medial profession.
    Because they are human and fallible like the rest of us?
  • Kiko H FanKiko H Fan Posts: 6,546
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    I've just read this story on the mail website:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2269605/Maddy-Pratt-Hooson-Grandmother-saw-GP-twice-week-6-MONTHS-dies-cancer-told-worry.html#addComment

    I'd love to say that this is an isolated case but I personally know of many people who's GP's repeatedly missed signs of cancer and now they are dead because of it. It happened to my uncle, my neighbour, my Mums friend, a work colleagues dad. And just look at the comments underneath!

    Why do they have all these adverts on the TV and Radio telling people to look out for signs of cancer, and yet when people do just that their GPs don't listen to them? It's so frightening. Even I know that constipation can be a symptom of bowel cancer! I'm stunned that it wasn't investigated sooner for this woman, especially given her age.

    It doesn't give you much faith in the medial profession.

    I stopped reading there and decided that they mess up because they are foreign GPs, who aren't as well trained as the good old Blighty docs.

    I shall read the comments later and see if they agree with my statement.
  • Vodka_DrinkaVodka_Drinka Posts: 28,753
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    flagpole wrote: »
    Because they are human and fallible like the rest of us?

    Tell that to the people who've lost their loves ones due to medical negligence :mad:

    There is absolutely no excuse for missing the signs of bowel cancer in this day and age!
  • soulboy77soulboy77 Posts: 24,464
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    GPs are medical generalists they aren't experts on everything and symptoms can vary and present themselves in different ways.
  • Vodka_DrinkaVodka_Drinka Posts: 28,753
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    soulboy77 wrote: »
    GPs are medical generalists they aren't experts on everything and symptoms can vary and present themselves in different ways.

    Yes but this woman had been back and to to her GP for months with constipation and pain. Any dimwit knows that this can be a sign of bowel cancer, especially in someone over 60. There is absolutely no excuse in this case at all.
  • roland ratroland rat Posts: 13,829
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    It doesn't give you much faith in the medial profession.

    I have been having problems with my heart, and my doctor has sent me to the cardio clinic, now everything came back clear, but my doctor was fed up with me, so the next time I came to see him, 2 yrs later he refused to get things checked out

    I had to write to him, with my reason why I want to se a consultant, which I did see, and we find I do have a problem, so now being watched very closesly

    In the letter, I threatned to leave my gp and look for another one, thats how I felt,
  • Vodka_DrinkaVodka_Drinka Posts: 28,753
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    el_bardos wrote: »
    Off you go to med school then if it's so easy.

    Cases like this are tragic, but we don't know what information this woman gave the doctor about how acute it was, whether she had other symptoms she didn't mention etc etc.
    Maybe the GP failed her, maybe not. We don't know all the facts, just a typically sensationalist article from the mail. Drawing such strong conclusions based on that is to say the least premature.

    I didn't say it was easy did I?:rolleyes: But I am shocked that something like bowel cancer, which is actually quite common was missed.

    I can't believe people are actually defending the GP.
  • yourpointbeing?yourpointbeing? Posts: 3,696
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    I found this comment did not seem to make sense
    'Mother-of-one Laura, from Brighton, East Sussex, said she had tried to sue the NHS on her mother's behalf but was told she was not allowed because she was over 18'
  • Pull2OpenPull2Open Posts: 15,138
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    Being a doctor is like any other profession, being a doctor does not suddenly make a human being devoid of fallibility. The only problem it, when a doctor makes a mistake it can have serious consequences on someone's health or life...but its still a mistake!

    Agreed, if someone keeps going back witht he same problem then it should have been identified. An electrician doesn't keep changing a fuse if it blows each week, they find the fault.

    But when all is said and done, doctors are human beings!
  • Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    I used to work as a Coroners Officer, and had regular contact with a large number of GPs. Like everyone else, the standards were wide, and varied, which was a shock to me.

    Like most others, I thought all Drs were of the high standards we all believe they are. They're not, and I dealt with quite a few cases where I could look at peoples symptoms in hindsight, and see the Dr had got it wrong. Hospital Drs had the same issues too.

    Thankfully, most were pretty good, but GPs cannot possibly have specialist knowledge of everything that goes wrong with people, nor keep up with all the latest developments.

    When we need a Dr, we all hope we get someone who does the job properly.
  • Pull2OpenPull2Open Posts: 15,138
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    I found this comment did not seem to make sense
    'Mother-of-one Laura, from Brighton, East Sussex, said she had tried to sue the NHS on her mother's behalf but was told she was not allowed because she was over 18'

    She is no longer a minor, with a parent on whom is dependent.

    A minor can sue for loss of parent but, and a legal eagle may correct me here, you can't sue on behalf of a deceased person! You can sue on behalf of the estate though but that is slightly different! I've no doubt a lawyer will read this and give a better response than I can give!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,900
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    I am fortunate to have a great GP. But in the past I have had some who would barely make eye contact before writing a prescription.
  • yorkiegalyorkiegal Posts: 18,929
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    i saw three different gps in the last month to try and convey that i'm suffering mental distress. the first two just treated me for the sinusitus i also have, the third doubled my antidepressant and said come back in a month. i ended up ttaking an overdose at the weekend. didn't seek medical help. spoke to emergency doc last night after the mental health support line ratted me out and he said to go to gp today for bloodtest for liver function. rang them and explained situation. no free appointments. doctor won't give blood tests, has to be practice nurse.
    given up.
  • Pull2OpenPull2Open Posts: 15,138
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    The matter will no doubt be investigated by the GMC anyway (they monitor the press), who will more than likely find that his fitness to practise is not impaired.
  • sutiesutie Posts: 32,645
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    yorkiegal wrote: »
    i saw three different gps in the last month to try and convey that i'm suffering mental distress. the first two just treated me for the sinusitus i also have, the third doubled my antidepressant and said come back in a month. i ended up ttaking an overdose at the weekend. didn't seek medical help. spoke to emergency doc last night after the mental health support line ratted me out and he said to go to gp today for bloodtest for liver function. rang them and explained situation. no free appointments. doctor won't give blood tests, has to be practice nurse.
    given up.



    So sorry to hear this yorkiegal, but not at all surprised. I could write a book about all the misdiagnoses, poor care, and medical negligence that myself, my family and friends have suffered over the years.

    Hope you get this sorted. Take care.
  • yourpointbeing?yourpointbeing? Posts: 3,696
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    Pull2Open wrote: »
    She is no longer a minor, with a parent on whom is dependent.

    A minor can sue for loss of parent but, and a legal eagle may correct me here, you can't sue on behalf of a deceased person! You can sue on behalf of the estate though but that is slightly different! I've no doubt a lawyer will read this and give a better response than I can give!

    I feel reasonably certain anyone can sue for medical negligence if it results in the death of a relative
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 639
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    The problem is there are many different signs and symptoms of cancer.
    Unfortunately the NHS would collapse if every patient who complained of constipation was fully investigated.
    There are just not the resources available to cope with demand.
  • Pull2OpenPull2Open Posts: 15,138
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    I feel reasonably certain anyone can sue for medical negligence if it results in the death of a relative

    You can certainly sue for negligence, but in the case of the advice given to her by the NHS I would suggest that its because those who are under 18 are minors and therefore dependent therefore they can sue in order to be awarded damages so the loss of a supporting parent isn't detrimental on a reasonably supported childhood. A child over 18 is not dependent.

    Its complicated and my knowledge is insufficient!

    At the end of the day, you can sue anyone for anything but you can't sue on behalf of the deceased...sue on behalf of yourself or surviving dependants yes!
  • Paul_FordPaul_Ford Posts: 24
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    Tell that to the people who've lost their loves ones due to medical negligence :mad:

    There is absolutely no excuse for missing the signs of bowel cancer in this day and age!

    Are you seriously suggesting that no human error can occur?
  • Vodka_DrinkaVodka_Drinka Posts: 28,753
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    Paul_Ford wrote: »
    Are you seriously suggesting that no human error can occur?

    No I'm not. But this woman didnt just go to see her doctor once and get sent away, she went twice a week for six months. She obviously realised that there was something wrong. You know if yourself when something isn't right with your body.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 701
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    Because most GPs are failed specialists. Most people leaving medical school want to specialise. The ones that aren't bright enough to make it specialising become GPs
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,583
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    I went to the doctors in Jan last year with problems swallowing and food sticking. For 3 months I was fobbed off with tablets. He eventually sent me for an endoscopy which came back with no findings. Went back, got different tablets, at this point the weight was dropping off very quickly (lost 4st in total, but 2 st at this point) and I was bringing food back up. Still he didn't take it seriously and asked if I was trying to lose weight. Got sent back for another endoscopy in the June and that's when they found my tumour in the Oesophagus. Had CT and Pet scans and another 5 endoscopies to get biopsies. Was eventually diagnosed with inoperable cancer in July (Friday 13th of all days) 6 months after I'd initially gone to the doctors. I was displaying classic signs of the disease, but apparently its rarely seen in women, non-smokers and only occasional drinks. I do feel let down by both him and the docs who I believe missed something the first time. They did tell me it was probably too discreet to see first time, but I have my doubts, but I have no proof of their claims.
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Tell that to the people who've lost their loves ones due to medical negligence :mad:

    There is absolutely no excuse for missing the signs of bowel cancer in this day and age!

    I would happily. i don't think the statement 'Because they are human and fallible like the rest of us?' is controversial in any context really. are you proposing that there is some way in which we can make doctors infallible?

    mistakes will happen. it's a product of the human condition.

    if you are saying that the rate of mistakes is too high then that is another subject. but that there could ever be none is ridiculous.
  • Paul_FordPaul_Ford Posts: 24
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    No I'm not. But this woman didnt just go to see her doctor once and get sent away, she went twice a week for six months. She obviously realised that there was something wrong. You know if yourself when something isn't right with your body.

    So there is an excuse then - human error.

    And if she "knew" she could have gone elsewhere to get checked.
  • Paul_FordPaul_Ford Posts: 24
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    flagpole wrote: »
    I would happily. i don't think the statement 'Because they are human and fallible like the rest of us?' is controversial in any context really. are you proposing that there is some way in which we can make doctors infallible?

    mistakes will happen. it's a product of the human condition.

    if you are saying that the rate of mistakes is too high then that is another subject. but that there could ever be none is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

    This - exactly
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