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Do you think that Tom Baker's curator will ever be explained?
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Do you think that Baker's curator will have any importance in the following seasons? Will his identity be explained? Would you like it to be explained or to stay as a mystery?
Or is he just fan pleasing 50th anniversary suprise cameo and nothing more?
As for what he said, do you think his words 'you might find yourself revisiting a few, but just the old favorites' says something about following seasons? Is he the last Doctor who knows everything about Doctor's future?
Or is he just fan pleasing 50th anniversary suprise cameo and nothing more?
As for what he said, do you think his words 'you might find yourself revisiting a few, but just the old favorites' says something about following seasons? Is he the last Doctor who knows everything about Doctor's future?
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This is just about the only thing from the last 4yrs that would be spoiled by being explained further.
I dont think Tom will appear again in the series either.
...However, in TTOTD, the 11th Doctor rediscovers that the Time Lords are in another universe without needing to remember that conversation with the Curator...
...So there need be no confusion. The Curator was obviously a later incarnation of the Doctor... (Anyone who thinks that it was only implied vaguely needs to watch it a few more times) ...but
there's no need for the Doctor to mention their meeting unless they should meet again at which point the 12th Doctor would, for the duration of their timelines crossing, remember their previous conversation.
A bit of mystery is better than full explanations of everything.
Actually I think you may be a tad confused. The Eleventh Doctor remembers the events of Day of the Doctor; it's Tennant and Hurt who don't because they were pulled from their respective time streams for the events to take place. For Eleven, DOTD is the next episode to take place within his personal linear timeline. Hence he already knows by Time of the Doctor that the Time Lords could still be out there and it's also the reason that upon having Handles review the planet Trenzalore and claiming it to be Gallifrey, the Doctor says it can't be and Clara tells him that perhaps it is Gallifrey and that maybe what he did to save Gallifrey actually worked.
However, I still don't think the Curator will ever be mentioned again. The scene was just a nod to the past for the benefit of the audience, not for the Doctor.
You've misunderstood him. The WD and 10 didn't remember the events of DOTD because their timelines were out of sync. The 11th Doctor will remember all the events of DOTD except the meeting at the end with The Curator as in that moment his timeline was out of sync
Not necessarily. Regardless of what Shoppy says, there's nothing to confirm (or even strongly hint) that the Curator is a future incarnation of the Doctor, or in fact any incarnation of the Doctor. Unless it's made explicit that he doesn't remember (because of course they made it explicit in all the other cases), I think we have to assume that he does remember. So lots of 'perhaps', and past tenses, not future ones. A nod to history, not a promise of the future.
I disagree. There is no doubt at all that the Curator was a future Doctor. That conversation (not to mention the Curator's procurement of the Gallifrey Falls painting) makes no sense in any other context.
I don't think we need any further confirmation of that in future episodes and don't expect any.
Tom's appearance in The Day of the Doctor was a wonderful surprise, and should be left as just a lovely memory.
It doesn't need to be revisited.
He could have been another aspect of The Moment
There was plenty to strongly hint that the Curator is a future incarnation of the Doctor and that came as much from the looks that they were giving each other as the script. But I have no desire for it be confirmed anymore than I need to know if it really was the Doctors mother in the End of Time (Yes I know RTD said it was in a book, but booky wooky's don't count to me
In my opinion, the mysterious woman (and the Watcher, for that matter) should have been explained within the narrative of those episodes. (And we should have seen Amy and Rory on the Welsh hillside from their perspective at some point - but I digress!
The Caretaker I take as a nice present to fans and requires no further explanation.
Really?
He as much as out right stated he was a future Doctor, I really don't see how anyone can have any doubts about it at all.
There's certainly no doubt in my mind.
I agree, it should stay a mystery. If it was decided one way or the other if he was or wasn't the 4th Doctor, it would diminish the impact of that scene when you watch it from now on.
I really don't get this obsession to have everything explained nowadays. The 'is the Capaldi Doctor's likeness to his character in Fires of Pompeii going to be explained.' is just typical of this sort of obsession. I like mystery's like this. The Woman In White in The End Of Time is another good example. It provides much thought provoking discussion when the mystery isn't solved and that can only be a good thing.
We shall never know. And frankly I'm quite happy not knowing!
For me Tom was the "final" Doctor (no.25 barring any more vanity issues) who had retired from adventuring and was living out his final days quietly as the National Gallery's curator (with a sideline in aquiring "lost" paintings).
As for the woman in white - I like to think it was a regenerated Susan - assuming that after out living her human husband all she could really do is go back to Gallifrey.
But in both cases, everyone opinions are right... and wrong.
As for the Lady in white - I think she's Romana.
As I said, it's subjective
Obviously, he's a psychic projection of a past Doctor, caused by a freak accident involving the sonic screwdriver, a parent who loves their child very, very much, a robot who really wants to be human and all the people of Earth chanting in unison.
doctor: I could be the a curator. I could be the curator of this place
curator: you know I really think you might
doctor "I never forget a face"
curator: "I know you don't, and in years to come, you might find your self revisiting a few, but just the old favourites.
curator: maybe I was you
curator: oh, you have a lot to do.
have quoted these particular lines, as to me, they show it couldn't be more obvious that he was the future doctor 'revisiting a past face'. He talk's in might's and maybe's as he dosen't want to out and out tell the doctor about his future, but you only have to actually listen to the dialogue to hear, he's practically screaming it out. It baffles me that people could think he was anything else than the future doctor.
He didn't say he was a past doctor he implied he was a past face. That sometimes it's good to revisit past faces. "Am I you or are you me?", I believe he also said at one point. That's either the ravings of a lunatic or a deliberate acknowledgement that he is another incarnation of the Doctor.
Since he was entrusted as Curator of a valuable art exhibition and since he had somehow got hold of a Gallifreyan painting which should have been trapped in a pocket universe I think we can discount the possibility of a raving lunatic. Since he knew about the fate of Gallifrey, appeared much older than the fourth Doctor lived to, and had somehow acquired the Galaxy Falls No More painting (and knew it's full name) it was obvious that he was someone from a future in which Gallifrey had been recovered.
So we know he's another version of the Doctor and that he's from the future. I don't understand why people even think it's an unresolved mystery, to be honest.
Edit: Looks like Doctor Blue Box got there first!
The dialogue, in full context, as I quoted before: "I was you, or you were me" can be read both ways, either as the Curator being a later version of the Doctor, or the Doctor being a later version of the Curator. And each of those can also flip either way depending on context - whether you interpret it as the Curator talking from the Doctor's perspective, or his own.
How long have you been watching Doctor Who? until it is explicit onscreen it is not resolved and the number of people that disagree with you who are at least open to other options show it wasn't clear cut.
So many people on this forum stated that there was no confusion, that Tenants regeneration in Stolen earth didn't count,. no debate! they were wrong but had Moffat been in a different mood when he wrote TOTD they may have been right.
There is plenty of ambiguity in the scene and it is deliberately so, it was a gift to fans to enjoy Tom Baker again and give us plenty to talk about. lets enjoy the debate and the madcap theories without trying to get one up or angry because people don't see what you see.