Well you're comparing a Council with a public Company. I bet that the public Company will put a bigger fight up.
Asda will have a fight on thier hands, this law firm is well known for taking on hard cases and is not afraid of big corprates, and have a very good repution for winning
Asda will have a fight on thier hands, this law firm is well known for taking on hard cases and is not afraid of big corprates, and have a very good repution for winning
Well let's hope that they don't because it will open a can of worms that will cost all of us consumers at the end.
Depends how you define consumers, and could be a saving in a differant ways
It is going to cost them (and others I guess too) shed loads of money that needs to be recouped somehow by higher prices at the till in the case of supermarkets.
But there will be other sectors jumping on the bandwagon whose cost will increase.
Im not sure im understanding this, all asda shop floor collegues are paid the same rate, regardless of if they are male or female. Section Leaders get a small amount more but again the rate is the same for males or females.
I don't care what the warehouse collegues get paid ive always assumed they got more because the job is different and warehouse work is paid better than shop work across all warehouses.
Im not sure im understanding this, all asda shop floor collegues are paid the same rate, regardless of if they are male or female. Section Leaders get a small amount more but again the rate is the same for males or females.
I don't care what the warehouse collegues get paid ive always assumed they got more because the job is different and warehouse work is paid better than shop work across all warehouses.
Spot on.The people in the stores are jealous of what the people get paid in the warehouses.They have no idea of how hard a time the people in the warehouses get.
Spot on.The people in the stores are jealous of what the people get paid in the warehouses.They have no idea of how hard a time the people in the warehouses get.
I do, its the reason I work in a store! My husband used to do warehouse work.
This article is the first ive heard of this claim. There is nothing going round the store I work in.
I do, its the reason I work in a store! My husband used to do warehouse work.
This article is the first ive heard of this claim. There is nothing going round the store I work in.
I worked in an ASDA Distribution Centre for a couple of days.I thought 'fook this,i'm out of here'.It was insanely hard graft.I've heard it isn't quite as bad now though.Knackered back anyone?.:(
Tesco distribution centres seem to be where the slavery is in full effect now.So I hear...
I worked in an ASDA Distribution Centre for a couple of days.I thought 'fook this,i'm out of here'.It was insanely hard graft.I've heard it isn't quite as bad now though.Knackered back anyone?.:(
Tesco distribution centres seem to be where the slavery is in full effect now.So I hear...
It looks like hard work! The job I do can be hard work, at times I find it exhausting but I choose to do it and I can always go do something less exhausting if it gets too much.
It is going to cost them (and others I guess too) shed loads of money that needs to be recouped somehow by higher prices at the till in the case of supermarkets.
But there will be other sectors jumping on the bandwagon whose cost will increase.
Explain how you think it could be a saving?
It all depends were you want the saving to be made, it all ends up being swings and rounabouts. So they end up getting more in thier pay packet from asda, but to pay for the wage increase asda puts thier prices up. Now the public cannot have it both way maoning about the benefit but wanting cheap prices at the same time. In the end it has to be decided who is going to pay the true wages people need the employer or the state, as low pay in the uk is a big problem and getting bigger
Hopefully, although given the council payout was £1 BILLION, you'd have thought they would've fought it.
They did and spent ten of millions of pounds fighting it, of course some are now saying they should have settled out of court and earlier to have lessened the bill.
Nah, they'll just increase the Council tax bill without consequence.
They are not able to because of government constraints. Birmingham are selling off their interest in the NEC group to try and raise the money, a bit like selling the family silver.
Im not sure im understanding this, all asda shop floor collegues are paid the same rate, regardless of if they are male or female. Section Leaders get a small amount more but again the rate is the same for males or females.
I don't care what the warehouse collegues get paid ive always assumed they got more because the job is different and warehouse work is paid better than shop work across all warehouses.
And if you'd have told a school cook 15 or 20 years ago that they should be on the same money pro-rata as a grave digger at the local cemetery they'd have likely said the same thing, but they are now counting the money they received as a lump sum and looking forward to an enhanced pension.
If i understand this correct i think this is the gripe. Asda warehouse employee takes items off the shelves in the warehouse , places them on a pallet , shrink wraps the pallet , pump trucks pallet to marshaled area or rear of trailer , the pallet is sent to store. £9 ph
Asda store employee uses pump truck to remove pallet from trailer of store warehouse area , places pallet in required area inside store, removes shrink wrap , places items onto the shelves. £7ph .
This is why they are saying the job is virtually identical , Asda employees are doing the reverse procedure that the Asda warehouse employees are doing for less pay.
If i understand this correct i think this is the gripe. Asda warehouse employee takes items off the shelves in the warehouse , places them on a pallet , shrink wraps the pallet , pump trucks pallet to marshaled area or rear of trailer , the pallet is sent to store. £9 ph
Asda store employee uses pump truck to remove pallet from trailer of store warehouse area , places pallet in required area inside store, removes shrink wrap , places items onto the shelves. £7ph .
This is why they are saying the job is virtually identical , Asda employees are doing the reverse procedure that the Asda warehouse employees are doing for less pay.
There are some subtle differences. The warehouse employees will work in chilled and frozen warehouses, they use different mechanical handling equipment, are performance measured on their pick performance to name just a few.
Thing is, do you think Asda *WANT* to be paying their warehouse lot more? They'd actually probably prefer it if the warehouse people were paid the same, lower, wage as the store people.
Presumably there is a reason they're being paid more, such as less people want to do it, fewer are up to the job, etc.
That is the crux of the matter for me. The value of the work includes an element or rarity like commodities. If there were loads of suitably able and willing applicants for the heavy work, I don't suppose they would be paid more. Unless there is some notion of physical wear and tear on the body. I would be incensed if men and women were being paid differently for the same job but these are different.
If i understand this correct i think this is the gripe. Asda warehouse employee takes items off the shelves in the warehouse , places them on a pallet , shrink wraps the pallet , pump trucks pallet to marshaled area or rear of trailer , the pallet is sent to store. £9 ph
Asda store employee uses pump truck to remove pallet from trailer of store warehouse area , places pallet in required area inside store, removes shrink wrap , places items onto the shelves. £7ph .
This is why they are saying the job is virtually identical , Asda employees are doing the reverse procedure that the Asda warehouse employees are doing for less pay.
Exactly this.
People saying the store workers don't do an equal job are mistaken. How do they think the goods get on the shelves
I can see how it can be argued that the 2 jobs are equal. The warehouse workers may work in cold conditions, for example, but the shop workers need the extra skill of being customer friendly. It all balances out.
The papers seem to be making a sexism claim but that is them doing their usual inaccurate reporting. Men work in store too and receive lower wages. My brother worked stacking shelves when he was a student. He did exactly as the post I have quoted explains. As well as this he needed to endlessly stop what he was doing and show customer where an item was. So physical work and customer service. For lower pay.
If i understand this correct i think this is the gripe. Asda warehouse employee takes items off the shelves in the warehouse , places them on a pallet , shrink wraps the pallet , pump trucks pallet to marshaled area or rear of trailer , the pallet is sent to store. £9 ph
Asda store employee uses pump truck to remove pallet from trailer of store warehouse area , places pallet in required area inside store, removes shrink wrap , places items onto the shelves. £7ph .
This is why they are saying the job is virtually identical , Asda employees are doing the reverse procedure that the Asda warehouse employees are doing for less pay.
What about school dinner ladies and refuse collectors, are they virtually the same?
Even the Asda jobs aren't virtually the same and that's provable by simple contradiction.
Let's assume that the argument, the jobs are the same, is true.
Then why are they so unequally dominated by male and female workers? Assuming there is no illegal discrimination going on (e.g. Asda refusing to hire women for the warehouse), which there is no allegation of, clearly there must be a difference in the jobs.
There are some subtle differences. The warehouse employees will work in chilled and frozen warehouses, they use different mechanical handling equipment, are performance measured on their pick performance to name just a few.
I'd Assume chilled & frozen items are still stored in chilled & frozen zones within the store that the staff have to enter. If pump trucks are used warehouse side they are defiantly used store side to avoid accidents in store with mechanical trucks. As for performance it's just as vital that items are put onto store shelves as fast as they are taken off in warehouse in order to meet sales targets.
People saying the store workers don't do an equal job are mistaken. How do they think the goods get on the shelves
I can see how it can be argued that the 2 jobs are equal. The warehouse workers may work in cold conditions, for example, but the shop workers need the extra skill of being customer friendly. It all balances out.
The papers seem to be making a sexism claim but that is them doing their usual inaccurate reporting. Men work in store too and receive lower wages. My brother worked stacking shelves when he was a student. He did exactly as the post I have quoted explains. As well as this he needed to endlessly stop what he was doing and show customer where an item was. So physical work and customer service. For lower pay.
I will be interested in seeing the outcome.
If they are completely equal then why aren't Asda paying both the same - but the lower - wage?
Why are they dominated by women and men differently?
Each job has its benefits and drawbacks. Yes warehouses are cold and the work heavy but they dont have to deal with the GBP or money.
What about a shelve stacker, dont they get paid less than till staff? Yet they have to go into the cold warehouse and lift heavy items and yet still deal with GBP.
Warehouse work is more fun and less frantic than till work.
Working on the bins is hardly the hard job it once was.
People saying the store workers don't do an equal job are mistaken. How do they think the goods get on the shelves
I can see how it can be argued that the 2 jobs are equal. The warehouse workers may work in cold conditions, for example, but the shop workers need the extra skill of being customer friendly. It all balances out.
Your comparison already shows that the jobs are not equal. Besides, those stacking shelves at night don't necessarily have to deal with customers if the store isn't open 24 hours.
The papers seem to be making a sexism claim but that is them doing their usual inaccurate reporting. Men work in store too and receive lower wages. My brother worked stacking shelves when he was a student. He did exactly as the post I have quoted explains. As well as this he needed to endlessly stop what he was doing and show customer where an item was. So physical work and customer service. For lower pay.
I will be interested in seeing the outcome.
Then why did your brother not apply to work in the distribution centre for more money?
I'd Assume chilled & frozen items are still stored in chilled & frozen zones within the store that the staff have to enter. If pump trucks are used warehouse side they are defiantly used store side to avoid accidents in store with mechanical trucks. As for performance it's just as vital that items are put onto store shelves as fast as they are taken off in warehouse in order to meet sales targets.
A DC worker will spend the whole of his/her shift in the chill chamber, unlike the store worker who will spend a small amount of time in the chiller to retrieve a roll cage. The DC worker will also need to retrieve pallets from racking some 15 to 20 meters up in the air with all of the dangers that involves.
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Nah, they'll just increase the Council tax bill without consequence.
Well let's hope that they don't because it will open a can of worms that will cost all of us consumers at the end.
That about sums it up.I'd tell them what my employer regularly tells me when I'm unhappy about something.
'If you don't like it,find another job'.:(
Depends how you define consumers, and could be a saving in a differant ways
It is going to cost them (and others I guess too) shed loads of money that needs to be recouped somehow by higher prices at the till in the case of supermarkets.
But there will be other sectors jumping on the bandwagon whose cost will increase.
Explain how you think it could be a saving?
I don't care what the warehouse collegues get paid ive always assumed they got more because the job is different and warehouse work is paid better than shop work across all warehouses.
Spot on.The people in the stores are jealous of what the people get paid in the warehouses.They have no idea of how hard a time the people in the warehouses get.
I do, its the reason I work in a store! My husband used to do warehouse work.
This article is the first ive heard of this claim. There is nothing going round the store I work in.
I worked in an ASDA Distribution Centre for a couple of days.I thought 'fook this,i'm out of here'.It was insanely hard graft.I've heard it isn't quite as bad now though.Knackered back anyone?.:(
Tesco distribution centres seem to be where the slavery is in full effect now.So I hear...
It looks like hard work! The job I do can be hard work, at times I find it exhausting but I choose to do it and I can always go do something less exhausting if it gets too much.
It all depends were you want the saving to be made, it all ends up being swings and rounabouts. So they end up getting more in thier pay packet from asda, but to pay for the wage increase asda puts thier prices up. Now the public cannot have it both way maoning about the benefit but wanting cheap prices at the same time. In the end it has to be decided who is going to pay the true wages people need the employer or the state, as low pay in the uk is a big problem and getting bigger
But it is likely to be the same specialist barristers in front of the same judges who will decide this.
They did and spent ten of millions of pounds fighting it, of course some are now saying they should have settled out of court and earlier to have lessened the bill.
They are not able to because of government constraints. Birmingham are selling off their interest in the NEC group to try and raise the money, a bit like selling the family silver.
And if you'd have told a school cook 15 or 20 years ago that they should be on the same money pro-rata as a grave digger at the local cemetery they'd have likely said the same thing, but they are now counting the money they received as a lump sum and looking forward to an enhanced pension.
Asda store employee uses pump truck to remove pallet from trailer of store warehouse area , places pallet in required area inside store, removes shrink wrap , places items onto the shelves. £7ph .
This is why they are saying the job is virtually identical , Asda employees are doing the reverse procedure that the Asda warehouse employees are doing for less pay.
There are some subtle differences. The warehouse employees will work in chilled and frozen warehouses, they use different mechanical handling equipment, are performance measured on their pick performance to name just a few.
That is the crux of the matter for me. The value of the work includes an element or rarity like commodities. If there were loads of suitably able and willing applicants for the heavy work, I don't suppose they would be paid more. Unless there is some notion of physical wear and tear on the body. I would be incensed if men and women were being paid differently for the same job but these are different.
Exactly this.
People saying the store workers don't do an equal job are mistaken. How do they think the goods get on the shelves
I can see how it can be argued that the 2 jobs are equal. The warehouse workers may work in cold conditions, for example, but the shop workers need the extra skill of being customer friendly. It all balances out.
The papers seem to be making a sexism claim but that is them doing their usual inaccurate reporting. Men work in store too and receive lower wages. My brother worked stacking shelves when he was a student. He did exactly as the post I have quoted explains. As well as this he needed to endlessly stop what he was doing and show customer where an item was. So physical work and customer service. For lower pay.
I will be interested in seeing the outcome.
What about school dinner ladies and refuse collectors, are they virtually the same?
Even the Asda jobs aren't virtually the same and that's provable by simple contradiction.
Let's assume that the argument, the jobs are the same, is true.
Then why are they so unequally dominated by male and female workers? Assuming there is no illegal discrimination going on (e.g. Asda refusing to hire women for the warehouse), which there is no allegation of, clearly there must be a difference in the jobs.
I'd Assume chilled & frozen items are still stored in chilled & frozen zones within the store that the staff have to enter. If pump trucks are used warehouse side they are defiantly used store side to avoid accidents in store with mechanical trucks. As for performance it's just as vital that items are put onto store shelves as fast as they are taken off in warehouse in order to meet sales targets.
If they are completely equal then why aren't Asda paying both the same - but the lower - wage?
Why are they dominated by women and men differently?
What about a shelve stacker, dont they get paid less than till staff? Yet they have to go into the cold warehouse and lift heavy items and yet still deal with GBP.
Warehouse work is more fun and less frantic than till work.
Working on the bins is hardly the hard job it once was.
Your comparison already shows that the jobs are not equal. Besides, those stacking shelves at night don't necessarily have to deal with customers if the store isn't open 24 hours.
Then why did your brother not apply to work in the distribution centre for more money?
A DC worker will spend the whole of his/her shift in the chill chamber, unlike the store worker who will spend a small amount of time in the chiller to retrieve a roll cage. The DC worker will also need to retrieve pallets from racking some 15 to 20 meters up in the air with all of the dangers that involves.
The two jobs are not comparable at all.