Calling Tulisa a chav...

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  • jock_fjock_f Posts: 1,689
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    junnja wrote: »
    Woo-hoo!! Love it. One of the many things that annoys me about her, is the self-satisfied comments about the contestants talent. When nearly all of them have got more talent in their big toe, than she has, or will ever have, in her entire body. She's a a jumped up talentless ****er. If I was a contestant on the show. I would be struggling to take any advice or criticism from the likes of her. And before people start going on about having a go. She's one of the most aggressive, and nasty people ever to be a judge on the X factor. And gives as good as she gets. She doesn't give a **** about anyone, except Tulisa. So don't worry, she can take it on the chin. As we've seen in that infamous YouTube video. lol. Quite frankly, she's an embarrassment to herself, and the show. Get rid.

    You've obviously never listened to ndubz then. She's a way better singer than anyone on the show.
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    EchoFalls wrote: »
    Girl gangs, having sex at 14, making filthy videos, taking drugs, she is chavtastic.

    and you would be a virgin who's never had any drugs or alcohol, got in to a fight or watched any porn right? :rolleyes:
  • kaceyykaceyy Posts: 1,572
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    bluefb wrote: »
    I think what's irritating is how she goes on about being from the 'streets' and uses inane 'youff' platitudes ('mix it up', 'strip it back' 'lay it down' etc.) like they mean something. It's like the modern equivalent of being a working class hero.

    When Nicole Sherzinger uses such terms that's okay?
  • Harry RedknappHarry Redknapp Posts: 4,422
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    Yet whilst she is strutting around in Chanel clothing and drinking expensive champagne, you and I are spending our Sunday nights talking about her..

    and looking cheap with it, too.

    Also she comes from a privillaged background.
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    jock_f wrote: »
    You've obviously never listened to ndubz then. She's a way better singer than anyone on the show.

    How ridiculous. One of the reasons I can make my comment is because I have heard Ndubz. Absolute shit. And certainly not doing anything more groundbreaking than anyone else. In your opinion she's way better than anyone on the show. IMO she's not. Anyway, I didn't just mean people on this particular show. But during the time she's been a judge, there have been far better singers than her.
  • MysteryxxxxxMysteryxxxxx Posts: 208
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    junnja wrote: »
    How ridiculous. One of the reasons I can make my comment is because I have heard Ndubz. Absolute shit. And certainly not doing anything more groundbreaking than anyone else. In your opinion she's way better than anyone on the show. IMO she's not. Anyway, I didn't just mean people on this particular show. But during the time she's been a judge, there have been far better singers than her.

    You say more talent though It's BS. N dubz were in music when they were 15 yrs old shes 25 or so now. she writes, sings, raps...im sure talent wise she is in another league to these guys. n dubz did many live performances that were great no miming ever, and they sold enough and made enough hit songs to be credible artists.
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    Hitler drove around in a top-of-the-range Mercedez. 'That don't impress me much'
  • MysteryxxxxxMysteryxxxxx Posts: 208
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    kaceyy wrote: »
    and you would be a virgin who's never had any drugs or alcohol, got in to a fight or watched any porn right? :rolleyes:

    The video wasn't her idea. I'm sure many stuff liek that exists on numerous people...doesn't come out doesn't make you a chav.

    again people lose their virginity early all over the world..nothing to do with a chav.

    you dont know what drugs shes taken 90% of eton students smoke cannabis ffs.

    The whole chav thing is just a way to insult white people who are 'street' it's pathetic.
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    You say more talent though It's BS. N dubz were in music when they were 15 yrs old shes 25 or so now. she writes, sings, raps...im sure talent wise she is in another league to these guys. n dubz did many live performances that were great no miming ever, and they sold enough and made enough hit songs to be credible artists.

    Yeah but lots of people, can write crap, sing crap and rap crap. If you want to see real songwriting talent, and talent in general. Then you only need to look to the guy sitting next to her. Although, personally not my cup of tea, but like everyone who hates to admit it, there's been a few songs that I've liked. Gary Barlow is without doubt a very talented individual. Now there's someone i would take advice from.
  • Zack06Zack06 Posts: 28,304
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    It is easy to judge. The sex tape is nothing that can happen to anyone. from your post i would think you're describing some horrible bitch who picks her nose and snarls at people.

    This is nonsense, and really you seem like a snob. ''low rent'' really now. I seen a lot of people hate Tulisa for being ''too common'' I mean these type of things are just more reflective of the people making them than those being labelled.

    She has some bad personality traits but crass, low rent and obnoxious are just over the top and false.

    She is trashy, there's no point even trying to pretend. I'm not being a snob, I'm being honest. She is so inarticulate and fails to add even one notable criticism or constructive advice on the panel week after week. She is a poor vocalist herself, most likely down to her chain smoking habits, and she has very poor musical knowledge. Last year she tried to pass of Ke$ha's 'Tik Tok' as a rock song. I don't think so.

    She IS crass and obnoxious, there is clear evidence. I haven't seen any of the other judges shouting and banging their hands on tables. When she gets excited, she starts putting one hand in the air like she wants to rap what she wants to say.

    If you want to excuse these kinds of behaviours, then that's an issue you need to deal with yourself, but at least with Cheryl, when she really got into the spotlight, she did leave most of those distasteful mannerisms behind. Tulisa would do well to follow suit.
  • MysteryxxxxxMysteryxxxxx Posts: 208
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    junnja wrote: »
    Yeah but lots of people, can write crap, sing crap and rap crap. If you want to see real songwriting talent, and talent in general. Then you only need to look to the guy sitting next to her. Although, personally not my cup of tea, but like everyone who hates to admit it, there's been a few songs that I've liked. Gary Barlow is without doubt a very talented individual. Now there's someone i would take advice from.

    They are worlds apart in what they do. You cannot compare as the audiences they appeal and speak to are so different.

    You cant say write crap sing crap rap crap when there's enough out there for all those that evidently isn't crap. n dubz im talking about here. Tulisa solo wise i don't know if she is responsible for whats written or not. But vocally live ive heard a lot from n dubz time and she sung very good. she raps pretty good, and the lyrics in some songs were written great.

    Gary Barlow is obviously a great songwriter and singer superior to tulisa, but she is 24-25. you cannot compare someone at that age to someone his age. I don't think Tulisa suits being solo but lot of rubbish is said by people who simply do not really know her or what she's done.
  • MysteryxxxxxMysteryxxxxx Posts: 208
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    Zack06 wrote: »
    She is trashy, there's no point even trying to pretend. I'm not being a snob, I'm being honest. She is so inarticulate and fails to add even one notable criticism or constructive advice on the panel week after week. She is a poor vocalist herself, most likely down to her chain smoking habits, and she has very poor musical knowledge. Last year she tried to pass of Ke$ha's 'Tik Tok' as a rock song. I don't think so.

    She IS crass and obnoxious, there is clear evidence. I haven't seen any of the other judges shouting and banging their hands on tables. When she gets excited, she starts putting one hand in the air like she wants to rap what she wants to say.

    If you want to excuse these kinds of behaviours, then that's an issue you need to deal with yourself, but at least with Cheryl, when she really got into the spotlight, she did leave most of those distasteful mannerisms behind. Tulisa would do well to follow suit.

    No, that's who she is. I do think it's completely snobbish because you judge upon things that suit your idea of how somebody should behave.

    None of the other judges ever shouted before? come on now. Like i said she has some bad personality traits but so does everyone.

    Crass and obnoxious is hyperbole exagerration for small mannerisms.

    You only have to look back to last year, when Kelly often would be rude as hell to Louis, talking over him putting her hand out like he has to shut up. Sharon Osbourne was insanely worse.

    As for the vocalist element...dani monogue was hardly a great vocalist neither cheryl and many others it's just not important. You don't have to be a great vocalist to judge music, otherwise record producers would be stevie wonder not louis walsh. ''passing tik tok as a rock song'' ffs how desperate is that..everyone from simon to whoever has bent the rules in theme weeks.

    Basically what you're saying is that once someone gets in the spotlight they should be fake and something they're not to appeal to people like you? Like i said that's snobbish and more a reflection of you.
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    Zack06 wrote: »
    She is trashy, there's no point even trying to pretend. I'm not being a snob, I'm being honest. She is so inarticulate and fails to add even one notable criticism or constructive advice on the panel week after week. She is a poor vocalist herself, most likely down to her chain smoking habits, and she has very poor musical knowledge. Last year she tried to pass of Ke$ha's 'Tik Tok' as a rock song. I don't think so.

    She IS crass and obnoxious, there is clear evidence. I haven't seen any of the other judges shouting and banging their hands on tables. When she gets excited, she starts putting one hand in the air like she wants to rap what she wants to say.

    If you want to excuse these kinds of behaviours, then that's an issue you need to deal with yourself, but at least with Cheryl, when she really got into the spotlight, she did leave most of those distasteful mannerisms behind. Tulisa would do well to follow suit.

    Here, here. (sighs with great satisfaction, at a well considered comment) We'll just have to agree to disagree on Tulisa. But I'm sure they'll be keeping a seat free down at the local dole office, for her imminent, and inevitable return.
  • Zack06Zack06 Posts: 28,304
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    No, that's who she is. I do think it's completely snobbish because you judge upon things that suit your idea of how somebody should behave.

    None of the other judges ever shouted before? come on now. Like i said she has some bad personality traits but so does everyone.

    Crass and obnoxious is hyperbole exagerration for small mannerisms.

    You only have to look back to last year, when Kelly often would be rude as hell to Louis, talking over him putting her hand out like he has to shut up. Sharon Osbourne was insanely worse.

    As for the vocalist element...dani monogue was hardly a great vocalist neither cheryl and many others it's just not important. You don't have to be a great vocalist to judge music, otherwise record producers would be stevie wonder not louis walsh. ''passing tik tok as a rock song'' ffs how desperate is that..everyone from simon to whoever has bent the rules in theme weeks.

    Basically what you're saying is that once someone gets in the spotlight they should be fake and something they're not to appeal to people like you? Like i said that's snobbish and more a reflection of you.

    Yawn. The stuff you are saying to defend her makes no sense. 'Otherwise producers would be Stevie Wonder not Louis Walsh'. Well I certainly know whose opinions I'd value more. The only actually credible panelists are Gary and Nicole. Louis just managed a few bands and has shown time and again that he does not know what he is doing with acts, he was the one that turned away a future winner so that says it all really. And again vocal knowledge obviously counts, ask yourself what singing advice Dannii and Cheryl actually gave during their times on the panel, which is arguably a major part of their job description...? I'd say none. And I'd like to see you give other examples where judges have tried to pass off a recent pop song as a rock song during rock week.

    Again you have completely misconstrued my point, Tulisa like it or not is a role model to children, she should be behaving in a positive manner not promoting sex acts and anti-social behaviour which she clearly endorses and tries to glamourise in her auto-biography. She just isn't classy at all. Cheryl was from a similar background but she hasn't hidden anything, she's just assumed her position as a figure in the public eye and behaved accordingly, it doesn't make her fake, it just means she knows how to conduct herself. These are things Tulisa is severely lacking in.
  • Nastyman69Nastyman69 Posts: 4,497
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    Tulisa isn't as bad as what ppl want to make out - she does have bad habits for sure and has a bit of a mouth on her (and THE TAPE!!) BUT I quite like her (I prefer her to Cheryl Cole anyday no matter if ppl want to call her a chav - again it's down to individual preference) :)
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    jock_f wrote: »
    You've obviously never listened to ndubz then. She's a way better singer than anyone on the show.
    I seen her live at the v festival trust me she was awful. She emptied half the field out.
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    TBut vocally live ive heard a lot from n dubz time and she sung very good. she raps pretty good, and the lyrics in some songs were written great.

    What a testament. You're obviously a big fan, and yet your summary is....... she's 'very good, quite good and great'

    Wow!! All that talent that just blows me away. lol. :-)
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    Zack06 wrote: »
    She is trashy, there's no point even trying to pretend. I'm not being a snob, I'm being honest. She is so inarticulate and fails to add even one notable criticism or constructive advice on the panel week after week. She is a poor vocalist herself, most likely down to her chain smoking habits, and she has very poor musical knowledge. Last year she tried to pass of Ke$ha's 'Tik Tok' as a rock song. I don't think so.

    She IS crass and obnoxious, there is clear evidence. I haven't seen any of the other judges shouting and banging their hands on tables. When she gets excited, she starts putting one hand in the air like she wants to rap what she wants to say.

    If you want to excuse these kinds of behaviours, then that's an issue you need to deal with yourself, but at least with Cheryl, when she really got into the spotlight, she did leave most of those distasteful mannerisms behind. Tulisa would do well to follow suit.
    Great post.
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    "Chav" should be reserved for the lowest of the low, the dossers who happy slap, steal, vandalise and just make life for good people harder. Not a girl who happens to have come from a low social background. This is the 21st century, somebody's social background should not define them.

    What I find ironic, particularly on my facebook, it's the people who I know used to be the definition of the word who like to call her it now.
  • MysteryxxxxxMysteryxxxxx Posts: 208
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    junnja wrote: »
    What a testament. You're obviously a big fan, and yet your summary is....... she's 'very good, quite good and great'

    Wow!! All that talent that just blows me away. lol. :-)

    Well why go into specifics with someone who says sings crap writes crap raps crap. Basically you heard a few songs and decided to label em shit since then. She is not tina turner no. but she sings very good, certainly these ''she cant sing'' or ''everyone on the show sings better than her'' comments are BS she proved that last year when she sung with little mix and overshadowed them really.
  • Nastyman69Nastyman69 Posts: 4,497
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    "Chav" should be reserved for the lowest of the low, the dossers who happy slap, steal, vandalise and just make life for good people harder. Not a girl who happens to have come from a low social background. This is the 21st century, somebody's social background should not define them.

    What I find ironic, particularly on my facebook, it's the people who I know used to be the definition of the word who like to call her it now.

    THIS.......
  • MysteryxxxxxMysteryxxxxx Posts: 208
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    I know a lot of people who hate tulisa but love liam gallagher...she's trashy and foul and he's some kind of clean shaven articulate sophisticated man right.
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    QUOTE Well why go into specifics with someone who says sings crap writes crap raps crap. Basically you heard a few songs and decided to label em shit since then. She is not tina turner no. but she sings very good, certainly these ''she cant sing'' or ''everyone on the show sings better than her'' comments are BS she proved that last year when she sung with little mix and overshadowed them really.
    junnja wrote: »
    Yeah but lots of people, can write crap, sing crap and rap crap.

    If you'd bothered to read my comment properly, you would have seen that I said lots of people, not just Tulisa. She is not the only talentless ****er on TV.
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    Well why go into specifics with someone who says sings crap writes crap raps crap. Basically you heard a few songs and decided to label em shit since then. She is not tina turner no. but she sings very good, certainly these ''she cant sing'' or ''everyone on the show sings better than her'' comments are BS she proved that last year when she sung with little mix and overshadowed them really.

    What an achievement!! My grandmother could overshadow Little Mix. And she's dead.
  • MysteryxxxxxMysteryxxxxx Posts: 208
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    Zack06 wrote: »
    Yawn. The stuff you are saying to defend her makes no sense. 'Otherwise producers would be Stevie Wonder not Louis Walsh'. Well I certainly know whose opinions I'd value more. The only actually credible panelists are Gary and Nicole. Louis just managed a few bands and has shown time and again that he does not know what he is doing with acts, he was the one that turned away a future winner so that says it all really. And again vocal knowledge obviously counts, ask yourself what singing advice Dannii and Cheryl actually gave during their times on the panel, which is arguably a major part of their job description...? I'd say none. And I'd like to see you give other examples where judges have tried to pass off a recent pop song as a rock song during rock week.

    Again you have completely misconstrued my point, Tulisa like it or not is a role model to children, she should be behaving in a positive manner not promoting sex acts and anti-social behaviour which she clearly endorses and tries to glamourise in her auto-biography. She just isn't classy at all. Cheryl was from a similar background but she hasn't hidden anything, she's just assumed her position as a figure in the public eye and behaved accordingly, it doesn't make her fake, it just means she knows how to conduct herself. These are things Tulisa is severely lacking in.

    Back at you with the yawn. Just admit you're a snob it's much easier than being hypocritical in everything you're writing. You claim Tulisa has poor musical knowledge because she gave a contestant on the show tik tok for rock week.

    You claim she's a chain smoker because you heard she smokes.

    Basically you don't like a girl that comes from a different social background and environment to you and acts in a way in which you perceive to be 'crass' because you weren't brought up like that. You then make several hypocritical reasons to justify this belief.

    The best judges are not musicians who have great voices on a show like this. Britney spears is shit demi lovato is shit mariah carey is shit the guy from aerosmith was shit. Many previous judges have not been great vocally, hell Tulisa is far superior to many of them. So that argument is invalid.

    Simon Cowell has never released an album to my knowledge, correct me if im wrong, but this is his show his creation he was the main judge on this and similar shows..now is he not worth listening to because he cant sing..so what's different for Tulisa who sings 2 trillion times better than simon cowell?

    She shouts and bangs the table? Should she sit up straight show a great posture and give insights half the audience wouldn't understand to sound articulate and get a warm applause from you? Really.

    Honestly your comments on her book say it all from your intolerant mindset. She is describing her life are you stupid? That's the life of millions of people in the UK..maybe you want them to lie and be fake to suit you and your view of the world..i don't know.

    I ain't gonna read her damn book, but i gather she had a very active sex life at a young age...well newsflash UK has the highest rate of teen pregnancy in europe..perhaps this is common...hiding from it wont change it. Confronting how and why might. She carried a weapon is not endorsing anti social behavior..it's reflecting on what she had to do to feel safe..something thousands of teens feel they have to do...something you might not understand being a snob in a house away from estates, gangs etc. It's not promoting anti social behavior it's reflecting on her upbringing, lifestyle and how she's evolved from that.

    With people like you it's a matter of class warfare than disliking someone for an honest reason...at times i cant stand Tulisa, even her own cousin says that all the time. But legitimate reasons. ''She's too common'' is really your view.
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