Is it anyone's business though? I'm not sure who made her answerable to the kangaroo court of public opinion, who have decided they don't approve of her sexuality morality, as they sit in high judgement of her.
The problem with it all is that it could be any one of us next in the stocks being laughed at and humiliated by the Twitter brigade.
1. SHE did, when she did it in front of phones.
2. NO IT COULDN'T. I will never have photos like that going around the internet because I don't do idiotic stuff like that in public where people are going to photograph me. You're acting like we all behave like her and it's just a matter of time until we get photographed.
The main pic just sums up the world's general attitude towards male and female's role in anything sexual. With the guy it's like 'wahey!' getting his c*ck sucked, pat him on the back, he's a legend...with the girl, she's dirty, a ****, shamed herself and her whole family, debased etc. etc.
Actually, the main issue for most is that she was doing it repeatedly. There's been plenty of criticism of the men.
I wonder if being cheered on and wasted is coercion.
She's also in a world of freely accessible porn where women do that king of thing at the click of a button.
I'm not saying stop porn, please don't. But it's quite likely a factor.
It says a something about society that it still isn't acceptable to do this in public, even though I don't like the reaction I think it's cruel.
Yes, I agree with you about the porn factor, and how it can influence and skew things.. I don't think it should be banned either but I think there's a wider issue in society around educating kids about their choices, the fact theres more to sex than porn, looking after themselves, and their emotional as well as sexual health . (That said, it's not like sexually active teenagers are anything new and I find the "****-shaming" and bullying approach absolutely abhorrent)
So what are you saying? That she wanted to be filmed and proudly plastered all over the Internet?
Of course that's not what I'm saying. I'm purely saying I don't believe she wouldn't have been aware of the technology surrounding her. Even for 17, she must have been exceptionally clueless.
Do I think we should be stoning the girl? No. Do I find attempts to normalise what she did appalling, and dangerous for other young people? Yes.
Was she stupid, performing sexual acts in public in broad daylight? Yes
Was she aware that people were around taking photos? Almost certainly. And if not, makes her even more stupid.
Did she deserve the amount of public abuse that she received on social media etc? No.
Is what happened 'acceptable' or 'normal' or 'moral' behaviour? In my opinion - certainly not. And that goes from all those involved at the concert - the girl, the guys, the people cheering on, the people taking the pictures, those circulating the images and those who have been so abusive (and so defensive) of the actions.
Silly girl, vile people - but what else did she expect in today's internet age?
Whatever happened that day, she was far from her normal self. She was found by Irish police at 9.30pm sitting alone on the ground and crying her eyes out and was brought by them to the first aid station and then on to hospital.
That is not the way a promiscuous person's evening usually ends. It sounds like she got drunk and lost all her inhibitions to the point where she no longer knew or cared that she was surrounded by people (and cameras).
Whatever happened that day, she was far from her normal self. She was found by Irish police at 9.30pm sitting alone on the ground and crying her eyes out and was brought by them to the first aid station and then on to hospital.
That is not the way a promiscuous person's evening usually ends. It sounds like she got drunk and lost all her inhibitions to the point where she no longer knew or cared that she was surrounded by people (and cameras).
As drunk as I've ever been, I've never let my inhibitions slip THAT far. But then again, I was brought up better than that and have a little more self respect than people of this ilk.
As drunk as I've ever been, I've never let my inhibitions slip THAT far. But then again, I was brought up better than that and have a little more self respect than people of this ilk.
Me neither, but the fact that she was crying her eyes out suggests it was a little more than anything to do with upbringing or being of a certain "ilk".
Glad you get to feel superior though. So heartening.
As drunk as I've ever been, I've never let my inhibitions slip THAT far. But then again, I was brought up better than that and have a little more self respect than people of this ilk.
She's only 17 though and she's from a rural part of the west of Ireland. This was probably her first ever outdoor rock concert and it's quite possible she completely lost the run of herself.....getting very drunk when she wasn't even used to drinking alcohol and then making a holy show of herself.
It doesn't sound like a story of a normal promiscuous teenager. Someone like that wouldn't end up in great distress with the police having to come to their aid.
Me neither, but the fact that she was crying her eyes out suggests it was a little more than anything to do with upbringing or being of a certain "ilk".
Glad you get to feel superior though. So heartening.
My comments are not designed to make myself feel superior. I've got a great deal of sympathy for the girl for what she has had to go through since the events she willingly involved herself in. She was a stupid kid, made a stupid mistake and, unfortunately, in today's age, her actions resulted in massive (over)reactions.
She's only 17 though and she's from a rural part of the west of Ireland. This was probably her first ever outdoor rock concert and it's quite possible she completely lost the run of herself.....getting very drunk when she wasn't even used to drinking alcohol and then making a holy show of herself.
It doesn't sound like a story of a normal promiscuous teenager. Someone like that wouldn't end up in great distress with the police having to come to their aid.
I never used the word promiscuous, nor would I choose to do so. I don't know anything about her history (sexual or otherwise) in rural Ireland to form an opinion on that based on the events of one drunken day.
Looks like she made some stupid decisions on the day though and regretted it later that day when she realised the possible consequences and is certainly regretting it now.
Seriously? She's 17 and has grown up in a world where internet and smartphones totally dominate us all. Watch ANY concert video on Youtube and almost every single person will be holding a phone or camera in the air.
And yet for the majority of people the first thought is not to post pictures to the internet (I don't see any cameras in the one of the queue area, do the others show any?). I wouldn't. What sort of person would, and why are we so accepting of them?
By extension though, it would mean that we should not in fact be doing anything whatsoever except moving along quietly in any situation where anyone has a camera in their possession.
Perhaps we should be thanking these rare and vigilant citizens for alerting us to this and ensuring such things do not go unnoticed.
She's only 17 though and she's from a rural part of the west of Ireland. This was probably her first ever outdoor rock concert and it's quite possible she completely lost the run of herself.....getting very drunk when she wasn't even used to drinking alcohol and then making a holy show of herself.
It doesn't sound like a story of a normal promiscuous teenager. Someone like that wouldn't end up in great distress with the police having to come to their aid.
You dont do that kind of thing for the first time in public....and then do it for your second time with another bloke..at the same venue!!
My comments are not designed to make myself feel superior. I've got a great deal of sympathy for the girl for what she has had to go through since the events she willingly involved herself in. She was a stupid kid, made a stupid mistake and, unfortunately, in today's age, her actions resulted in massive (over)reactions.
I never used the word promiscuous, nor would I choose to do so. I don't know anything about her history (sexual or otherwise) in rural Ireland to form an opinion on that based on the events of one drunken day.
Looks like she made some stupid decisions on the day though and regretted it later that day when she realised the possible consequences and is certainly regretting it now.
I'm referring more to those people who called her a "****". I've a feeling this girl might not be promiscuous at all and certainly no nymphomaniac. It does sound suspiciously like alcohol played a big part in what happened.....a girl not used to the stuff and who can't handle it finds herself at a huge outdoor rock concert attended by 80,000 people and completely loses the run of herself, with disastrous personal consequences.
It sounds like she got drunk and lost all her inhibitions to the point where she no longer knew or cared that she was surrounded by people (and cameras).
Personally, I'm still leaning towards the "wrong kind of aspirin" theory - but certainly the way it seems to have ended does sound rather more 'abused and abandoned' than it does 'hope nobody recognised me'.
I'm referring more to those people who called her a "****". I've a feeling this girl might not be promiscuous at all and certainly no nymphomaniac. It does sound suspiciously like alcohol played a big part in what happened.....a girl not used to the stuff and who can't handle it finds herself at a huge outdoor rock concert attended by 80,000 people and completely loses the run of herself, with disastrous personal consequences.
Alcohol has nothing to do with it. She made the choice to drink, she made choices while drinking. It's all about her choices. If she was sober, would you be so sympathetic? She CHOSE to drink. She knows the effects of alcohol. And the effects of alcohol cannot be blamed for her idiotic choices.
I'm referring more to those people who called her a "****". I've a feeling this girl might not be promiscuous at all and certainly no nymphomaniac.
As I've said - no evidence to support this one way or another - but calling her a **** while not criticising the guys involved is wrong.
It does sound suspiciously like alcohol played a big part in what happened.....a girl not used to the stuff and who can't handle it finds herself at a huge outdoor rock concert attended by 80,000 people and completely loses the run of herself, with disastrous personal consequences.
Quite possibly re the alcohol - but all conjecture.
... She CHOSE to drink. She knows the effects of alcohol. And the effects of alcohol cannot be blamed for her idiotic choices.
If it was her first time having an extreme about of booze, then you can guarantee she would not be familiar with the effects. It's one thing to get drunk at a party, but something else entirely if you get carried away with it. Some people pass out, some people go nuts, and many are somewhere between the extremes. It's not always as simple as 'get drunk, fall down' when it comes to 'beginners'...
Alcohol has nothing to do with it. She made the choice to drink, she made choices while drinking. It's all about her choices. If she was sober, would you be so sympathetic? She CHOSE to drink. She knows the effects of alcohol. And the effects of alcohol cannot be blamed for her idiotic choices.
If it was her first time having an extreme about of booze, then you can guarantee she would not be familiar with the effects. It's one thing to get drunk at a party, but something else entirely if you get carried away with it. Some people pass out, some people go nuts, and many are somewhere between the extremes. It's not always as simple as 'get drunk, fall down' when it comes to 'beginners'...
For all we know, she may well be from a strict family where it would be impossible for her to get drunk normally without there being severe consequences. All of a sudden she finds herself at a huge outdoor rock concert, several hundred miles from home with not a parent or guardian in sight and a chance for her to let rip at last.
It's not hard to imagine someone getting very drunk in those circumstances and perhaps their inhibitions being lowered to the point where they are no longer in control of what is happening. Her being found much later on that night by police in a distressed state, sitting on the ground and crying her eyes out would certainly tally with most of the above.
For all we know, she may well be from a strict family where it would be impossible for her to get drunk normally without there being severe consequences. All of a sudden she finds herself at a huge outdoor rock concert, several hundred miles from home with not a parent or guardian in sight and a chance for her to let rip at last.
It's not hard to imagine someone getting very drunk in those circumstances and perhaps their inhibitions being lowered to the point where they are no longer in control of what is happening. Her being found much later on that night by police in a distressed state, sitting on the ground and crying her eyes out would certainly tally with most of the above.
a strict family that would allow their daughter to go off to am Eminem concert ... slight flaw in the argument there.
a strict family that would allow their daughter to go off to am Eminem concert ... slight flaw in the argument there.
But I do get your point in theory
There certainly is evidence she got drunk. She was pictured with a pint of beer in her hand at one point and a video appeared on the net showing her acting very erratically and apparently not sober.
There certainly is evidence she got drunk. She was pictured with a pint of beer in her hand at one point and a video appeared on the net showing her acting very erratically and apparently not sober.
I'm not denying she was drunk and under the influence at all.
If it was her first time having an extreme about of booze, then you can guarantee she would not be familiar with the effects. It's one thing to get drunk at a party, but something else entirely if you get carried away with it. Some people pass out, some people go nuts, and many are somewhere between the extremes. It's not always as simple as 'get drunk, fall down' when it comes to 'beginners'...
And? It was her choice to drink, wasn't it? I've seen no suggestion that she was drugged by somebody else.
Nothing like this, no. I've never been drunk - that was my CHOICE - and I've never been photographed doing something in public that people are going to judge me for. Except for dressing up in costume at sci-fi conventions.
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1. SHE did, when she did it in front of phones.
2. NO IT COULDN'T. I will never have photos like that going around the internet because I don't do idiotic stuff like that in public where people are going to photograph me. You're acting like we all behave like her and it's just a matter of time until we get photographed.
Actually, the main issue for most is that she was doing it repeatedly. There's been plenty of criticism of the men.
Yes, I agree with you about the porn factor, and how it can influence and skew things.. I don't think it should be banned either but I think there's a wider issue in society around educating kids about their choices, the fact theres more to sex than porn, looking after themselves, and their emotional as well as sexual health . (That said, it's not like sexually active teenagers are anything new and I find the "****-shaming" and bullying approach absolutely abhorrent)
Of course that's not what I'm saying. I'm purely saying I don't believe she wouldn't have been aware of the technology surrounding her. Even for 17, she must have been exceptionally clueless.
Do I think we should be stoning the girl? No. Do I find attempts to normalise what she did appalling, and dangerous for other young people? Yes.
Was she aware that people were around taking photos? Almost certainly. And if not, makes her even more stupid.
Did she deserve the amount of public abuse that she received on social media etc? No.
Is what happened 'acceptable' or 'normal' or 'moral' behaviour? In my opinion - certainly not. And that goes from all those involved at the concert - the girl, the guys, the people cheering on, the people taking the pictures, those circulating the images and those who have been so abusive (and so defensive) of the actions.
Silly girl, vile people - but what else did she expect in today's internet age?
That is not the way a promiscuous person's evening usually ends. It sounds like she got drunk and lost all her inhibitions to the point where she no longer knew or cared that she was surrounded by people (and cameras).
As drunk as I've ever been, I've never let my inhibitions slip THAT far. But then again, I was brought up better than that and have a little more self respect than people of this ilk.
Me neither, but the fact that she was crying her eyes out suggests it was a little more than anything to do with upbringing or being of a certain "ilk".
Glad you get to feel superior though. So heartening.
She's only 17 though and she's from a rural part of the west of Ireland. This was probably her first ever outdoor rock concert and it's quite possible she completely lost the run of herself.....getting very drunk when she wasn't even used to drinking alcohol and then making a holy show of herself.
It doesn't sound like a story of a normal promiscuous teenager. Someone like that wouldn't end up in great distress with the police having to come to their aid.
My comments are not designed to make myself feel superior. I've got a great deal of sympathy for the girl for what she has had to go through since the events she willingly involved herself in. She was a stupid kid, made a stupid mistake and, unfortunately, in today's age, her actions resulted in massive (over)reactions.
I never used the word promiscuous, nor would I choose to do so. I don't know anything about her history (sexual or otherwise) in rural Ireland to form an opinion on that based on the events of one drunken day.
Looks like she made some stupid decisions on the day though and regretted it later that day when she realised the possible consequences and is certainly regretting it now.
By extension though, it would mean that we should not in fact be doing anything whatsoever except moving along quietly in any situation where anyone has a camera in their possession.
Perhaps we should be thanking these rare and vigilant citizens for alerting us to this and ensuring such things do not go unnoticed.
You dont do that kind of thing for the first time in public....and then do it for your second time with another bloke..at the same venue!!
I'm referring more to those people who called her a "****". I've a feeling this girl might not be promiscuous at all and certainly no nymphomaniac. It does sound suspiciously like alcohol played a big part in what happened.....a girl not used to the stuff and who can't handle it finds herself at a huge outdoor rock concert attended by 80,000 people and completely loses the run of herself, with disastrous personal consequences.
Alcohol has nothing to do with it. She made the choice to drink, she made choices while drinking. It's all about her choices. If she was sober, would you be so sympathetic? She CHOSE to drink. She knows the effects of alcohol. And the effects of alcohol cannot be blamed for her idiotic choices.
As I've said - no evidence to support this one way or another - but calling her a **** while not criticising the guys involved is wrong.
Quite possibly re the alcohol - but all conjecture.
So you have never ever made a bad decision?
For all we know, she may well be from a strict family where it would be impossible for her to get drunk normally without there being severe consequences. All of a sudden she finds herself at a huge outdoor rock concert, several hundred miles from home with not a parent or guardian in sight and a chance for her to let rip at last.
It's not hard to imagine someone getting very drunk in those circumstances and perhaps their inhibitions being lowered to the point where they are no longer in control of what is happening. Her being found much later on that night by police in a distressed state, sitting on the ground and crying her eyes out would certainly tally with most of the above.
a strict family that would allow their daughter to go off to am Eminem concert ... slight flaw in the argument there.
But I do get your point in theory
More likely to have been alcohol and her being unable to handle it.
There certainly is evidence she got drunk. She was pictured with a pint of beer in her hand at one point and a video appeared on the net showing her acting very erratically and apparently not sober.
I'm not denying she was drunk and under the influence at all.
And? It was her choice to drink, wasn't it? I've seen no suggestion that she was drugged by somebody else.
Nothing like this, no. I've never been drunk - that was my CHOICE - and I've never been photographed doing something in public that people are going to judge me for. Except for dressing up in costume at sci-fi conventions.