Yes , and all that and FIFA still rank England 4th in the world giving them favourable draws in World Cups, way above France who nare allegedly favoured by FIFA.
Fifa don't just pick a number out of their rear end you know. The rankings are based on results over a four year period. It uses a very easy to work out formula that gives a points total if you win or draw depending on the strength of the opposition. In fact Fifa have even introduced an interactive rankings tool to help people like yourself out.
Oh and they are currently 7th not 4th. It changes on a monthly basis whether you play or not.
You could laugh but most of us know that FIFA see Britain as something that has to be tolerated, akin to something nasty you may find on your shoe.
Unfortunately this is true but only because of the global hatred for one of the associations withon Britain. The rest of us are hated mainly by association.
Did the Daily Mail start all this? They're very good at messing with people's perceptions, that's what their best stories amount to .
Look, the whole 'foreigners are against us', 'foreigners disrespect our traditions' and 'why can't we do what we want and tell foreigners to shove it' are exactly the attitudes that had national socialism catching on. All the people coming out with 'our grandfathers fought against this sort of thing' had grandfathers who actually fought against that sort of thing! Kapow! You know You've been pranked, punked, suckered, japed, hoodwinked, twatted, generally made monkeys of.
It's malevolent really, the way the Daily Mail go about it, kind of dark and sinister, lol, but very clever. They must be wetting themselves atm.
I would like the England team to go out wearing their poppies if that's what they wish to do. It isn't as though wearing a poppy is a new phenomena in Britain and some people are very dedicated to it's meaning. As far as I'm aware, the poppy appeal is not political, neither is it advertising and I'm pretty sure that if it has charitable status, that is merely to help prevent the government getting its mitts on some of the donations.
FIFA ignore requests from the FA (especially with limiting the number of foreign players in our Premiership teams). Given the immoral behaviour of quite a few FIFA members, they're hardly in a position to state what they see as right or wrong.
Capello didn't mind wearing a poppy and he's Italian.
I agree with another poster who earlier said: makes you wonder why our forebears bothered. There are quite a few who would change their minds had history turned in the opposite direction.
For those stating: rules are rules, bear in mind that rules are for the guidance of the wise and the blind obedience of fools.
Given the immoral behaviour of quite a few FIFA members, they're hardly in a position to state what they see as right or wrong.
That's the thing, though, it's not FIFA's place to make decisions about what sort of messages are right or wrong. It's not a political organisation so it can't judge the difference between a poppy and say... North Korea putting military propaganda on their shirts.
Nobody thinks these are the same things in reality, but you still need to have one rule to cover it or else FIFA ends up with different countries arguing about politics. If you just ban everything then you don't get these debates.
It will be intersesting to see what proportion of the crowd at W embley boo the Spanish national anthem. I expect this will be the majority , but i also expect that no-one in the media will think that is at all disrespectful.
We have all this stuff aboiut poppies but absolutely no-one considers it is a disgrace to abuse a national side like that. But then again we are England , we can do what we like , but of anyone upsets us it is an entirely different matter..
I don't know where you get that expectation from but as someone who attends every England home match I must say you are wrong.
I have also been ot England games at Wembley and virtually everyone boos the the opposition's national anthem. When England played in Manchester or Liverpool only a few did this. Just listen to me boos at Wembley on Saturday and also listen to the commentators who will regard the whole thing as a bit of a joke.
Spain , however, will consider this reaction to be an insult and quite rightly.
England played France last November - no poppies were worn.
England played Brazil the previous November - no poppies were worn.
England played Germany in November 2008 - again no poppies.
Against Croatia(2007), Holland(2006) and on 12 November 2005 against Argentina - No poppies were worn.
Now call me cynical but this wouldn't happen to be some PR stunt from the FA to distract from the Terry investigation.
England, may not of worn poppies in these games, but becauses of the soldiers we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, in the last few years the wearing of the poppy has become even more imprtant to us.
I have also been ot England games at Wembley and virtually everyone boos the the opposition's national anthem. When England played in Manchester or Liverpool only a few did this. Just listen to me boos at Wembley on Saturday and also listen to the commentators who will regard the whole thing as a bit of a joke.
Spain , however, will consider this reaction to be an insult and quite rightly.
Utter rubbish. There are a few idiots, but not "virtually everyone".
When the players are on the field, all that should be on their shirt is a badge and a number. Anything else has nothing to do with the game that they are playing. I bet you'd all whinge if a sponsor's logo or similar was included.
I have also been ot England games at Wembley and virtually everyone boos the the opposition's national anthem. When England played in Manchester or Liverpool only a few did this. Just listen to me boos at Wembley on Saturday and also listen to the commentators who will regard the whole thing as a bit of a joke.
Spain , however, will consider this reaction to be an insult and quite rightly.
Actually a lot of commentators don't like it..well the ones I've heard on 5live (maybe the slightly older ones TBF)
England, may not of worn poppies in these games, but becauses of the soldiers we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, in the last few years the wearing of the poppy has become even more imprtant to us.
I disagree completely with this post, if anything over the past few years the Poppy campaign has had to be forced upon us, due to the amount of other charities such as "help the heroes" etc. The Poppy campaigns are about those that lost there lives in the two world wars, and always should be end of.
So as in previous years and as FIFA have stated today, that as a few years back England may end up playing Germany in November the poppies have to remain off the kit.
Poor choice of language as well. A ban indicates a removal from the future something current in the present and which has been around in the past. As the wearing of the poppy is something that hasn't happened before, it can hardly be banned.
Then again, the Sun and Mail are hardly known for their understanding of the English language. Nor, it must be said, are many DS members.
England, may not of worn poppies in these games, but becauses of the soldiers we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, in the last few years the wearing of the poppy has become even more imprtant to us.
More important because hired killers have lost their lives in 'wars' for oil?
As Tribec said the poppy campaign is now being disgustingly forced on people and people are scared to object to it just the jingoistic nature of the media we unfortunately have.
Not quite what people fought for in the world wars for is it?
Actually a lot of commentators don't like it..well the ones I've heard on 5live (maybe the slightly older ones TBF)
Certainly John Inverdale made a point of ii , but not many others.. I can only think of Scottish fans booing the " English" national anthen . No other countries would even consider it.
This all started when some lunatic muslim nutjobs burned a "poppy" a couple of years ago. Now it seems that unless you wear one, you are on their side.
This all started when some lunatic muslim nutjobs burned a "poppy" a couple of years ago. Now it seems that unless you wear one, you are on their side.
Err, I considerably doubt that's got much at all to do with anything. Anyway, that incident kinda totally passed me by, and I imagine that I am not alone.
Anyway, never experienced in Scotland any real "poppy pressure" or disapproval at not wearing one, although most folk do wear one.. I don't know if it's more of an issue in some other parts of the UK.
Tbh i would never have thought of wearing a poppy on a football kit up till about 2 years ago was it when suddenly it became the in thing to do as if somehow by wearing a poppy you are showing more respect for the dead in the wars. To me it is not really that important - what matters more is not what is seen on the exterior but what you do on the interior that nobody knows about and so it is not for show. For instance do they donate to remembrance charities, have they ever talked to soldiers, visited army barracks, maybe even visited war zones - these examples are largely things players can do privately if they are motivated to do so and so it should be and they matter far more than a poppy on the shirt.
It reminds me of those who criticise those who do not belt out the national anthem as somehow unpatriotic which i think is a load of rubbish.
It maybe would have been nice to wear the poppy but please understand the denying of it was for good reasons (it would set a precedent) and altho on occasions EUFA are guilty of crazy thinking imo this is not one of those times.
Tbh i would never have thought of wearing a poppy on a football kit up till about 2 years ago was it when suddenly it became the in thing to do as if somehow by wearing a poppy you are showing more respect for the dead in the wars. To me it is not really that important - what matters more is not what is seen on the exterior but what you do on the interior that nobody knows about and so it is not for show. For instance do they donate to remembrance charities, have they ever talked to soldiers, visited army barracks, maybe even visited war zones - these examples are largely things players can do privately if they are motivated to do so and so it should be and they matter far more than a poppy on the shirt.
Spot on.
Harry Patch described the 11th November as "just show business" and who can disagree with him these days?
It maybe would have been nice to wear the poppy but please understand the denying of it was for good reasons (it would set a precedent) and altho on occasions EUFA are guilty of crazy thinking imo this is not one of those times.
I absolutely agree with that. I think FIFA maybe could have agreed to this, but I do perfectly understand why they did not. It is a very clear symbol, however well meaning, and it could be seen as some precedent.
Everyone can show whatever respect they wish, and there can be a fine ceremony and / or silence before the match in recognition of all those who gave their lives or suffered greatly in service to the nation, without any huge deal being made about the England team not being able to display the poppy on their shirts.
I always find the real lack of respect are the people who use Remembrance Day more as an excuse to hunt out people not wearing a poppy, basically latching on to something in order to create outrage. It's why everyone on TV will wear one more for fear of complaint than anything else, whereas if someone doesn't it really shouldn't be anyone's business at all.
Wait, football forum. Erm, Casiraghi was a severely underrated player.
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Fifa don't just pick a number out of their rear end you know. The rankings are based on results over a four year period. It uses a very easy to work out formula that gives a points total if you win or draw depending on the strength of the opposition. In fact Fifa have even introduced an interactive rankings tool to help people like yourself out.
Oh and they are currently 7th not 4th. It changes on a monthly basis whether you play or not.
Unfortunately this is true but only because of the global hatred for one of the associations withon Britain. The rest of us are hated mainly by association.
Look, the whole 'foreigners are against us', 'foreigners disrespect our traditions' and 'why can't we do what we want and tell foreigners to shove it' are exactly the attitudes that had national socialism catching on. All the people coming out with 'our grandfathers fought against this sort of thing' had grandfathers who actually fought against that sort of thing! Kapow! You know
It's malevolent really, the way the Daily Mail go about it, kind of dark and sinister, lol, but very clever. They must be wetting themselves atm.
FIFA ignore requests from the FA (especially with limiting the number of foreign players in our Premiership teams). Given the immoral behaviour of quite a few FIFA members, they're hardly in a position to state what they see as right or wrong.
Capello didn't mind wearing a poppy and he's Italian.
I agree with another poster who earlier said: makes you wonder why our forebears bothered. There are quite a few who would change their minds had history turned in the opposite direction.
For those stating: rules are rules, bear in mind that rules are for the guidance of the wise and the blind obedience of fools.
That's the thing, though, it's not FIFA's place to make decisions about what sort of messages are right or wrong. It's not a political organisation so it can't judge the difference between a poppy and say... North Korea putting military propaganda on their shirts.
Nobody thinks these are the same things in reality, but you still need to have one rule to cover it or else FIFA ends up with different countries arguing about politics. If you just ban everything then you don't get these debates.
We have all this stuff aboiut poppies but absolutely no-one considers it is a disgrace to abuse a national side like that. But then again we are England , we can do what we like , but of anyone upsets us it is an entirely different matter..
I don't know where you get that expectation from but as someone who attends every England home match I must say you are wrong.
I have also been ot England games at Wembley and virtually everyone boos the the opposition's national anthem. When England played in Manchester or Liverpool only a few did this. Just listen to me boos at Wembley on Saturday and also listen to the commentators who will regard the whole thing as a bit of a joke.
Spain , however, will consider this reaction to be an insult and quite rightly.
England, may not of worn poppies in these games, but becauses of the soldiers we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, in the last few years the wearing of the poppy has become even more imprtant to us.
Utter rubbish. There are a few idiots, but not "virtually everyone".
Actually a lot of commentators don't like it..well the ones I've heard on 5live (maybe the slightly older ones TBF)
I disagree completely with this post, if anything over the past few years the Poppy campaign has had to be forced upon us, due to the amount of other charities such as "help the heroes" etc. The Poppy campaigns are about those that lost there lives in the two world wars, and always should be end of.
So as in previous years and as FIFA have stated today, that as a few years back England may end up playing Germany in November the poppies have to remain off the kit.
Then again, the Sun and Mail are hardly known for their understanding of the English language. Nor, it must be said, are many DS members.
More important because hired killers have lost their lives in 'wars' for oil?
As Tribec said the poppy campaign is now being disgustingly forced on people and people are scared to object to it just the jingoistic nature of the media we unfortunately have.
Not quite what people fought for in the world wars for is it?
Certainly John Inverdale made a point of ii , but not many others.. I can only think of Scottish fans booing the " English" national anthen . No other countries would even consider it.
Err, I considerably doubt that's got much at all to do with anything. Anyway, that incident kinda totally passed me by, and I imagine that I am not alone.
Anyway, never experienced in Scotland any real "poppy pressure" or disapproval at not wearing one, although most folk do wear one.. I don't know if it's more of an issue in some other parts of the UK.
It reminds me of those who criticise those who do not belt out the national anthem as somehow unpatriotic which i think is a load of rubbish.
It maybe would have been nice to wear the poppy but please understand the denying of it was for good reasons (it would set a precedent) and altho on occasions EUFA are guilty of crazy thinking imo this is not one of those times.
Spot on.
Harry Patch described the 11th November as "just show business" and who can disagree with him these days?
I absolutely agree with that. I think FIFA maybe could have agreed to this, but I do perfectly understand why they did not. It is a very clear symbol, however well meaning, and it could be seen as some precedent.
Everyone can show whatever respect they wish, and there can be a fine ceremony and / or silence before the match in recognition of all those who gave their lives or suffered greatly in service to the nation, without any huge deal being made about the England team not being able to display the poppy on their shirts.
Wait, football forum. Erm, Casiraghi was a severely underrated player.
don't get why the EFA ask this every time, and are surprised it get's knocked back?